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2022/01/06 23:14:28
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: That seems quite good actually, the strats are nice. We retain some good old stuff like eternal penitent (though only once hurts) and tanglefoot. Still being able to turn off rerolls is also clutch.
Being able to switch stances for 1cp on a unit seems to be something we might use often.
Losing teleport homer really hurts though....and giving our guys with shields a strat to make them - 1 to hit is downright insulting....thats SUCH a useless debuff, I hate it.
The third captain commander trait for allarus seems decent though...+1 to wound against vehicles and monsters is always useful, against characters its mostly an unnecessary bonus. Definitely the best option.
Spear Allarus likes wounding T6 and less characters on 2's I'd think.
I like the -1 strat.
I feel nothing with the loss of Teleport Homer. That strat signaled what you were doing to your opponent so hard as to be virtually worthless in my opinion.
2022/01/07 00:05:52
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Remember, we need the whole picture and games in. Goonhammer had GK book and declared them worst 9th Ed army.
Martial Ka’tahs:
Note your whole army must be same shield host. This is an ability on datasheets for most units:
Spoiler:
If your whole army is ADEPTUS CUSTODES (excluding ANATHEMA PSYKANA, AGENTS OF THE IMPERIUM, and UNALIGNED) and if all units that can be given a shield host keyword are given the same shield host, you can use these rules and abilities. After deploying both armies but before determining the first turn, you must choose a primary, secondary, and tertiary ka’tah. Write them down in secret on your army list. In each of your command phases, as long as a ka’tah stance is available, you can pick one to be active for your army. Each time this happens, units from your army with this ability benefit from it until the start of your next command phase.
When picking an active stance, the following rules apply: You can not pick any stance more than once, you must choose a stance from your primary ka‘tah first, and can not choose a stance from your tertiary ka’tah until you have chose at least one from your secondary ka’tah. When you choose a stance from a different martial ka’tah, you can not chose a stance from a preceding ka’tah.
Here is the example in the book: Elle has an army that qualifies, she choses Rendex as primary, Dacatarai as secondary, and Calistus as tertiary. First round she chooses stance 2 of Rendax. Round 2 she can choose stance 1 of Rendax or stance 1 or 2 of Dacatari. She can't choose Calistus yet since she hasn’t chosen any stances from her secondary ka’tah, Dacatarai. She choses stance 1 of Dcatari, her secondary ka’tah. In her third command phase she can choose stance 2 of dacatarai or either stance 1 or 2 of Calistus, since she has already chosen one from her secondary. She can’t chose any from Rendax anymore since you can never choose a preceding stance (no going back). She chooses stance 2 of Calistus, her tertiary ka’tah. In her turn 4, she must chose stance 1 of Calistsus since that’s all that's left. This means she won't have any ka’tahs active on turn 5.
Calistus 1: roll an extra d6 when advancing and choose the result
Calistus 2: when making a normal move or advance you can shoot in the following shooting phase as if you remained stationary
Conservai 1: this unit can perform an action in a turn in which they advanced or fell back (WOW!)
Conservai 2: each time this unit performs an action, they can shoot without the action failing
Dacatarai 1: every time an enemy unit piles in or consolidates, if they are within engagement range of this unit, subtract 2” from the distance they can move for that pile in or consolidate.
Dacatarai 2: each time this unit fights it can choose to add 1 to their attacks characteristic but reduce the damage characteristic of all melee weapons by 1.
Salvus 1: add 4:to the range of all shooting weapons this unit has
Salvus 2: If they are INFANTRY and didn’t advance and don’t have enemy units in engagement range, they can shoot 2 times with auric weapons during this phase.
Rendax 1: hits of 6 in melee auto-wound VEHICLES and MONSTERS
Rendax 2: when attacking a VEHICLE or MONSTER, if this unit charged or heroic intervened this turn, add 1 to the Strength characteristic of the attack (so effectively melee only)
Kaptaris 1: enemies cannot re-roll hits in melee against this unit
Kaptaris 2: Every time an enemy unit (excluding VEHICLES and MONSTERS) in engagement range of one or more INFANTRY units with this ability attempts to fall back, roll a dice with your opponent. Add 1 to their roll if their unit can fly. If you roll higher than their roll, the enemy unit cannot fall back.
"From what we've seen the relics and WL traits seem a bit lackluster, but I haven't seen many WL traits. Once we see the shield host traits and stratagems, plus the chapter approved faction-specific secondaries, we will have a good idea how to book will be. Also apparently Trajaan is a beast and gets 2 WL traits."
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2022/01/07 08:35:53
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thairne wrote: I have my opinion, you have yours.
Noone insulted your opinion, yet you come about and call the others toxic.
Yet who is toxic here? In my experience, those that use the term are the true culprits.
Its also what they DON'T show us that makes people pessimistic.
If the best thing they can show us to generate hype for a presale is Open the Vaults - thats raising a few eyebrows. You can wait for the full codex, that is on you. But condemning speculation on a forum is questionable.
We are pretty sure the 3++ is gone, which is a huge nerf to the ONE thing that kept the army afloat. And we, so far, have not seen many things that could compensate such a big loss. That is in no way "the codex is not broken enough" as you see it. Things got taken away, not enough things were given back. It is a fear for going under in this power creep meta.
Leave other peoples opinion alone or argue against it, but using words like 'toxic' is just a deadbeat argument that has no place... anywhere. It's just as overused as "racist" and lost its original meaning.
If you see those things that you look forward to, tell us about them. Bring arguments like the buff to wounds and S for bikes e.g. and argue from there.
Dakka's a cesspool of salt and fascists.
But there's no better warhammer place on the internet to be salty. Wish it would do something about the fash posters.
2022/01/07 11:57:05
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
so, if im reading that right, a custodes/sisters mixed list:
cannot have more persecutors than custodes guard (or sag guard), but those persecutors have Obsec. ALL custodes have obsec
cannot have more sisters characters than custodes
cannot have a sister as the warlord (so only way to give them WLT would be in either a pure sisters detachment or via strats)
max of one of each shield cap datasheet per detachment.
our custodes infantry AND bikes are double counted for the purposes of look out, sir (ie a squad of 2 can provide cover), and all custodes are double counted for the purposes of objective control (which is explicitly additive with other rules that increase the "count"....impling we have a strat, relic or WLT that lets us up the count?)
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2022/01/07 12:48:50
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
We got GreyKnighted. And it hurts. I really thought we might get SOMETHING, anything. This is all terrible. It's made the faction complicated, even MORE costly, and weaker somehow. Hopefully our FW units will remain unscathed, other wise we are C+ tier at best.
2022/01/07 12:56:31
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
you mean "moved form a competitive non-entity to A tier"? the ones with currently with the 2nd highest win rate in GT games?
if that is the case i would sure hope we have been knighted.
anyway, we all half expected the limits on persecutors (and lets be clear, the limit is purely for bolter sisters in the Troops slot, not for flamer sisters in fast attack or bladegirls in eltites). I didnt forsee the limits on sheild caps, though. between that and the sisters HQ limit we have quite strict rules on what HQs we can take.
the extra abilites in the obsec and look out sir seem nice enough. I can only assume the 4++/6+++ is baked into the datasheets rather than being a army ability, unless thier is another page of detachment abilies they havent shown us (which i think is likely, given that we've seen datasheets referring to abilities not on these pages)
going to call it now, we can take bikes in squads of either 1 or 2, same as with the allarus, IE you can build a sheild cap and a valid squad form the same box, not either/or.
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2022/01/07 13:43:15
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Called it on the Sisters troop restriction. Our guys counting double for obsec and look out sir is really nice actually.
Edit: new community article lists "heavy power weapons" for abberants with a S+3 Ap2 Dmg3 profile. So you are telling me some mutated miners with a pickaxe get a better profile than our allarus terminators with relic power axes that are supposedly all mastercrafted works of art....makes sense. Seriously, this is some bs.
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2022/01/07 14:28:51
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: Called it on the Sisters troop restriction. Our guys counting double for obsec and look out sir is really nice actually.
Edit: new community article lists "heavy power weapons" for abberants with a S+3 Ap2 Dmg3 profile. So you are telling me some mutated miners with a pickaxe get a better profile than our allarus terminators with relic power axes that are supposedly all mastercrafted works of art....makes sense. Seriously, this is some bs.
I guess as long as its in the shape of a hammer, you get flat 3D access. If it's bladed and not a relic or on a character of some sort, tough luck. I feel like someone on the design team lost as marines to Custodes and has a bone to grind with them now.
2022/01/07 14:31:36
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Wow. Them super-elite guards of the frikkin Emperor really should just trade in their gak for a frikkin mining tool it seems.
I'm really hoping that we are missing something, that there is some weird little bit of the codex that just hasn't been previewed and when we see it we are all like:
"Wait wait wait, ALL wounds that Custodes cause are MORTAL wounds?!! That's crazy!"
Or something. Ugh.
2022/01/07 14:41:34
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I don't understand any of what GW is doing. I am beggining to think like a Conspiracy Theorist. I don't think GW cares about balance. Like at all. Balance doesn't drive profits, or help attendence at their big events. I feel like what they want is for each new faction to have a big flashy thing, and I still have not heard of any theory crafters talk about how out BC or "stances" will be of any good. I mean, yeah, we are doing better against hordes now? And we are better against elites and Characters. But that's like saying we were S tier before, and now we are S+. It's not like it helps us.
Can anyone come up with a reasonable way to use the stances we've been shown? Or even formulate a PL army off this dross?
2022/01/07 14:46:13
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I don't understand any of what GW is doing. I am beggining to think like a Conspiracy Theorist. I don't think GW cares about balance. Like at all. Balance doesn't drive profits, or help attendence at their big events. I feel like what they want is for each new faction to have a big flashy thing, and I still have not heard of any theory crafters talk about how out BC or "stances" will be of any good. I mean, yeah, we are doing better against hordes now? And we are better against elites and Characters. But that's like saying we were S tier before, and now we are S+. It's not like it helps us.
Can anyone come up with a reasonable way to use the stances we've been shown? Or even formulate a PL army off this dross?
I don't formulate PL anything, sorry.
Without knowing faction secondaries making a list is hard. Your list should be tied to what you're planning to score. So until I can lock down what we'd want to be scoring I can't really make an optimized list.
2022/01/07 14:51:26
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Well, tabling is out for strategies. So is Shield guardians camping out on objectives. Telemons are no longer likely to be viable, if the rumors are true. It all stands on if we lose our 4++.
If we go max SoS, that's 30 Flamer Sisters, 30 sword Sisters, and 30-50 Bolter sisters, and 3 Sisters Superior. Is that viable? Thow in the Vex to give them a 5++?
2022/01/07 14:55:32
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: Called it on the Sisters troop restriction. Our guys counting double for obsec and look out sir is really nice actually.
Edit: new community article lists "heavy power weapons" for abberants with a S+3 Ap2 Dmg3 profile. So you are telling me some mutated miners with a pickaxe get a better profile than our allarus terminators with relic power axes that are supposedly all mastercrafted works of art....makes sense. Seriously, this is some bs.
I guess as long as its in the shape of a hammer, you get flat 3D access. If it's bladed and not a relic or on a character of some sort, tough luck. I feel like someone on the design team lost as marines to Custodes and has a bone to grind with them now.
Well fair enough, still stupid but ok if GWs design philosophy about weapons is like that. But then our castellan axe should at LEAST have Ap3....but wait, why should anyone take spears then? Our weapon profiles are such a fething mess.
Is it that hard to make sensible multiple profiles for out 3 weapon options? I could have done that easily and I'm not a game designer.
Sorry for my ranting but our new weapon profiles vex me way more than they should...especially in comparison to such crap like those super master crafted mining tools. fething GW
2022/01/07 15:03:49
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
but guys.
We need to see the entire codex!!!
Crap weapons and crap stratagems dont show the full picture!
There can still be relics and WLTs that save us!
It will ALL be fine!
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2022/01/07 15:07:05
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thairne wrote: but guys.
We need to see the entire codex!!!
Crap weapons and crap stratagems dont show the full picture!
There can still be relics and WLTs that save us!
It will ALL be fine!
/s
I don't think our strats are crap at all. Stooping Dive's loss makes me sad, but we have Tanglefoot, Transhuman, no re-rolls, Slayer of Nightmares, Bikes consolidate an extra 3", second interrupt, Bikes fall back and shoot, Shoulder the Mantle, any unit heroically intervene, auto-deny within 18", there's good stuff here. A lot we already had, but we were strong to begin with.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Well, tabling is out for strategies. So is Shield guardians camping out on objectives. Telemons are no longer likely to be viable, if the rumors are true. It all stands on if we lose our 4++.
If we go max SoS, that's 30 Flamer Sisters, 30 sword Sisters, and 30-50 Bolter sisters, and 3 Sisters Superior. Is that viable? Thow in the Vex to give them a 5++?
You should almost never have tabling as your strat for any faction so that's not really a loss. The goal is, generally, to design a list and secondary selection where you will score at least 65 points per game with as little interaction with your opponent as possible.
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2022/01/07 15:08:26
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thairne wrote: but guys.
We need to see the entire codex!!!
Crap weapons and crap stratagems dont show the full picture!
There can still be relics and WLTs that save us!
It will ALL be fine!
/s
I still remain that the codex can be workable. The secondaries especially are still important information. Relics and warlord traits, while not super clutch, are still also important information. The strats actually seem fine so far. Double obsec and double look out sir is really nice actually.
Our weapon profiles are inexcusable in light of current information though. Trajann should just go to the nearest hardware store and buy some pickaxes for is "elite" terminators.
If I eat my words and "auric weapons" get some stupid extra buff that does mortal wounds or some bs, fine you can tell me I should have kept my mouth shut, but I doubt it.
2022/01/07 15:13:31
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Well the strats in itself arent THAT bad.
What hurts is whats missing/changed.
Firstly, venetari will disappear like before. Doubletapping is what saved them and that is downright gone now.
Allarus will only have 2D weapons and no double tap sniping either. Auramite and Adamantium is gone, so they're far more vulnerable.So they took a hit as well, just as Aquilons by proxy did.
Shield guard lost their 3++. I dont need to explain that this is bad.
The entire army struggles to deal with anything that is -1D since its LOADED with 2D and no way to get past that.
Stooping dive, especially when powered by Trajan, is gone. That means bikes lose a big chunk of utility and offensive power.
All dreadnoughts will be far more susceptible to melta fire with the shadowkeeper nerf.
Eternal penitent being once per army will make for more unreliable charges. Instead of scaling with battle size like WLT and Relics, it is a flat one off.
Tanglefoot now requiring LOS means that if you get charged from behind cover - you're out of luck.
These losses are hard. We got other things, true, but nothing that compensates for that imo.
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2022/01/07 15:20:34
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thairne wrote: Well the strats in itself arent THAT bad.
What hurts is whats missing/changed.
Firstly, venetari will disappear like before. Doubletapping is what saved them and that is downright gone now.
Allarus will only have 2D weapons and no double tap sniping either. Auramite and Adamantium is gone, so they're far more vulnerable.So they took a hit as well, just as Aquilons by proxy did.
Shield guard lost their 3++. I dont need to explain that this is bad.
The entire army struggles to deal with anything that is -1D since its LOADED with 2D and no way to get past that.
Stooping dive, especially when powered by Trajan, is gone. That means bikes lose a big chunk of utility and offensive power.
All dreadnoughts will be far more susceptible to melta fire with the shadowkeeper nerf.
Eternal penitent being once per army will make for more unreliable charges. Instead of scaling with battle size like WLT and Relics, it is a flat one off.
Tanglefoot now requiring LOS means that if you get charged from behind cover - you're out of luck.
These losses are hard. We got other things, true, but nothing that compensates for that imo.
I think the faction traits we've got from Emissaries and Shadowkeeprs alone offset almost all of this. Just like with GK (which I play as well and I remember all the GK players saying they were nerfed to C tier based on their leaks), we are going to play differently. GK was a completely different army in how it played pre-Codex, the same will be true of us. Most of what you're listing here are just the casualties of that.
2022/01/07 15:26:30
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Might be, but I can go only on what we have so far.
And in that scenario, I dont feel well above the codex at all.
The things I got told in private were cut after playtesting, so my rumours turned out to be false.
We lost a lot in the final tested version to this. A lot.
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2022/01/07 15:28:34
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Whats funny is that there is a prominent 40k Youtuber, whos a very active custodes player. So active, GW made put him on the rules team, for the last Custodes rules update in WoTS. Those helped a LOT. This looks like they cut the Custodes staff, and replaced it with the same team that made the Space Marines base Codex. We are literally now just a bunch of Larger stronger Space Marine Captains running around. We have transhuman, Relic MC Bolters, MC weapons, and still crap movement.
Last resort - if they point nerf the LR or the Plastic dreadnaut I'll know they hate our faction. All we literally have to hope for now is the FW writing team giving us rules that basically break the game again. Telemon now punches at d3+6 damage, and the Storm cannons now get +4 flat damage under 24". Something silly and stupid but capable at least of giving us a chance.
2022/01/07 15:35:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Whats funny is that there is a prominent 40k Youtuber, whos a very active custodes player. So active, GW made put him on the rules team, for the last Custodes rules update in WoTS. Those helped a LOT. This looks like they cut the Custodes staff, and replaced it with the same team that made the Space Marines base Codex. We are literally now just a bunch of Larger stronger Space Marine Captains running around. We have transhuman, Relic MC Bolters, MC weapons, and still crap movement.
Last resort - if they point nerf the LR or the Plastic dreadnaut I'll know they hate our faction. All we literally have to hope for now is the FW writing team giving us rules that basically break the game again. Telemon now punches at d3+6 damage, and the Storm cannons now get +4 flat damage under 24". Something silly and stupid but capable at least of giving us a chance.
FW and GW have been the same rules writing team for some time now. Including when the current Imperial Armour was released (which is one of the reasons I argue they didn't know what they were going to do with the Custodes codex when they released IA as there are discrepancies in there). Anyway, wouldn't expect much FW change.
2022/01/07 15:36:39
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Custodes players already bought lots of resin stuff. Plastic needs to be pushed again. Weirdly they have done this not by making the plastic rules exciting, but instead by cutting the legs out from under the resin. I can't see resin getting buffed again for a long time personally.
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2022/01/07 16:34:37
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
In that case we better prep for the Telemon to go T7.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Jesus we better hope and pray we don't get points nerfs like the GSC just got in the leaks. Their Acolyte Hybrid troops are 9ppm, and their weapons are all 10 or 20 points. And they nerfed the squad sizes from 5-15. No more giant mobs. Please don't kill us in points.
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2022/01/07 17:00:26
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: Edit: new community article lists "heavy power weapons" for abberants with a S+3 Ap2 Dmg3 profile. So you are telling me some mutated miners with a pickaxe get a better profile than our allarus terminators with relic power axes that are supposedly all mastercrafted works of art....makes sense. Seriously, this is some bs.
Kellercheese with revolvers banged together from scrap junk better than Dark Age of Technology relic bolt pistols and archaotech guns: First time, mon'keigh?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I don't understand any of what GW is doing. I am beggining to think like a Conspiracy Theorist. I don't think GW cares about balance.
Um, you really don't get how GW works? If the army is pet of incompetent rules writer (*cough* Phil Kelly *cough* Eldar *cough* that other dude who can't do math *cough* Tau *cough*) it will be broken. If it is designed by someone who doesn't like army (*cough* Phil Kelly *cough* Cruddace *cough* Deathwatch *cough* Tyranids *cough*) it will be garbage. You basically need to pray you get someone who likes the army (or at least has any idea how it plays and what are supposed to be its strong points) AND that they don't have a bad day and/or balance it to the level of the first book of the edition while his colleagues just finished writing broken gak making it instantly obsolete.
So, if you like primaris, tyranids, IG, inquisition, or ynnari, you're basically screwed, these armies seem to have no one pushing them in GW right now and all you can hope for is an unintentional screwup of the rule writer or the faction being unintentionally boosted by something broken in sister faction that was copy pasted and somehow translated into buff of said unliked army.
There was one competent rules writer who managed to put whole, balanced edition without any significant outliers but 4chan grade morons whined him out of company because they hated two lines of fluff in the book (where he wrote rules, not fluff, to make it even dumber). Go figure
2022/01/07 17:06:53
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: Edit: new community article lists "heavy power weapons" for abberants with a S+3 Ap2 Dmg3 profile. So you are telling me some mutated miners with a pickaxe get a better profile than our allarus terminators with relic power axes that are supposedly all mastercrafted works of art....makes sense. Seriously, this is some bs.
Kellercheese with revolvers banged together from scrap junk better than Dark Age of Technology relic bolt pistols and archaotech guns: First time, mon'keigh?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I don't understand any of what GW is doing. I am beggining to think like a Conspiracy Theorist. I don't think GW cares about balance.
Um, you really don't get how GW works? If the army is pet of incompetent rules writer (*cough* Phil Kelly *cough* Eldar *cough* that other dude who can't do math *cough* Tau *cough*) it will be broken. If it is designed by someone who doesn't like army (*cough* Phil Kelly *cough* Cruddace *cough* Deathwatch *cough* Tyranids *cough*) it will be garbage. You basically need to pray you get someone who likes the army (or at least has any idea how it plays and what are supposed to be its strong points) AND that they don't have a bad day and/or balance it to the level of the first book of the edition while his colleagues just finished writing broken gak making it instantly obsolete.
So, if you like primaris, tyranids, IG, inquisition, or ynnari, you're basically screwed, these armies seem to have no one pushing them in GW right now and all you can hope for is an unintentional screwup of the rule writer or the faction being unintentionally boosted by something broken in sister faction that was copy pasted and somehow translated into buff of said unliked army.
There was one competent rules writer who managed to put whole, balanced edition without any significant outliers but 4chan grade morons whined him out of company because they hated two lines of fluff in the book (where he wrote rules, not fluff, to make it even dumber). Go figure
Oh wise Elder, Tell us of the long long back! Who was this mythical writer whos rules made sense and his points were Just?
I would say I've only been playing since late 7th (I bought my BRB a week before they went to 8th and the store never told me) But it felt like 8th was generally positive. There were dumb broken things like Smash Captains, and Knights, and anything with "Ironhands" in the title, but otherwise it was fun. I didn't play as anything but Custodes though, so I have a very skewed perspective.
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