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KampfKrote wrote:
Looks like 1 list made AdeptiCon top 16 with Custodes.

It was an IG Brigade, Blood Angels Battalion, and a Supreme Command of 4 Shield Caps on Jetbikes.

Thats different then what BoLS has as Geoff's list. And I don't think I've seen him use Blood Angels in his various test games.

Do you have the list from somewhere?

 Ordana wrote:

KampfKrote wrote:
Looks like 1 list made AdeptiCon top 16 with Custodes.

It was an IG Brigade, Blood Angels Battalion, and a Supreme Command of 4 Shield Caps on Jetbikes.

Thats different then what BoLS has as Geoff's list. And I don't think I've seen him use Blood Angels in his various test games.

Do you have the list from somewhere?

According to bcp app standing, Geoff in 8th with pure Custodes.

The list with 3 captains, BA and Guard is 14th.

I missed the pure Custodes list?!? :/ that’s awkward lmao

There were only like 5 Custodes in the whole thing that I saw so that's actually pretty good.

I saw his list on BCP:

3x Shield-Captain on Dawneagle (salvo)

5x Vertus Praetor (hurricane bolter)

3x 3x Guardian (spears)

Culexus
Eversor
Callidus

AM (lots of mortars)

Edit:

Company Commander (Grand Strategist)
Company Commander (Kurlov’s Aquila)

3x Infantry Squad (Mortar)

3x Heavy Weapon Team (Mortar)

He also has an Imperial Vanguard Detachment:

Primaris Psyker
Culexus Assassin
Eversor Assassin
Callidus Assassin

I'm not shocked he wasn't pure, but that is a surprising amount of regular troops I didn't expect to see.

I think he just wanted the cheaper bodies. CP isn’t as big of a deal as I essentially have his list minus the batallion troops and an eversor and plus like 7 bikes and another shield captain

A question came up at my FLGS relating to the invuln save for some bikes that one of my opponents was running in his list. He was claiming they got a 4+ instead of the 5+ simply for being battleforged. The other part of the sentence said something like "in your Custodes detachment". I don't have the book right in front of me but the way I read it to me it meant your detachment had to be pure custodes (he had mechanicus in there for some cheap troops so it wasn't pure Custodes). Can anyone straighten me out on that?

 necron99 wrote:
A question came up at my FLGS relating to the invuln save for some bikes that one of my opponents was running in his list. He was claiming they got a 4+ instead of the 5+ simply for being battleforged. The other part of the sentence said something like "in your Custodes detachment". I don't have the book right in front of me but the way I read it to me it meant your detachment had to be pure custodes (he had mechanicus in there for some cheap troops so it wasn't pure Custodes). Can anyone straighten me out on that?

They have a 4++ when they are part of a pure custodes detatchment. An army can be made up of multiple detatchments, thats how he took admech with them. Likely he had an outrider detatchment for the bikes and a battalion of admech.

 necron99 wrote:
A question came up at my FLGS relating to the invuln save for some bikes that one of my opponents was running in his list. He was claiming they got a 4+ instead of the 5+ simply for being battleforged. The other part of the sentence said something like "in your Custodes detachment". I don't have the book right in front of me but the way I read it to me it meant your detachment had to be pure custodes (he had mechanicus in there for some cheap troops so it wasn't pure Custodes). Can anyone straighten me out on that?

In a battleforged detachment (Pure Custodes) they have the 4++, universally.

If it's a mixed bag, they don't get it.

Meatgrinder wrote:

 necron99 wrote:
A question came up at my FLGS relating to the invuln save for some bikes that one of my opponents was running in his list. He was claiming they got a 4+ instead of the 5+ simply for being battleforged. The other part of the sentence said something like "in your Custodes detachment". I don't have the book right in front of me but the way I read it to me it meant your detachment had to be pure custodes (he had mechanicus in there for some cheap troops so it wasn't pure Custodes). Can anyone straighten me out on that?

They have a 4++ when they are part of a pure custodes detatchment. An army can be made up of multiple detatchments, thats how he took admech with them. Likely he had an outrider detatchment for the bikes and a battalion of admech.

No it's for a league I'm in - right now we're playing at 750pts Patrol only so it was a mixed bag.

If your army is Battle-forged, all INFANTRY
and BIKER units in ADEPTUS CUSTODES
Detachments gain the Sworn Guardians and
the Emperor’s Chosen abilities.

So it has to be a pure detachment, not just a battleforged army.
This is the same for all codex armies.

Hi everyone.

Thinking of starting a pure Custodes army mainly for fun since I like the look of them. Or maybe a small ally detachment later on.

So I have some questions before I start buying all my goodies- if anyone could guide me in the right direction, that'd be great!

1. What is the 'generic' or recommended wargear option for kitting out the troops (Custodian Guard squads)? 1 w/ Storm Shield/Blade and rest with Spears?

2. Hurricane Bolters or Missiles for Praetors? (And same with Shield-Captain on Jetbike- are bolters the best option?)

3. What are the 'must include' units for the army?

4. And does anyone have any modeling tips/tricks they recommend when working with Custode models?

Cheers!

1) 1 shield per 2 spears if min squads, 1 per 3 in larger squads
2) Hurricanes tend to perform better while being cheaper.
3) If you are dead-set on Mono Custodes: Trajann Valoris. CP is your lifeblood, and he's the only regeneration there is. In any other Situation: Biker Shield Captains. In Jest: An allied imperial guard battlation detachment.
4) Allarus terminators and Wardens both come with enough parts in the box to magnetize one guy as a vexilla bearer or regular model (Including the extra arm and shoulderpad) take advantage of this and use a small 1/10"x1/16" disc magnet pair in the arm/shoulder.

As Foretold wrote:
Hi everyone.

Thinking of starting a pure Custodes army mainly for fun since I like the look of them. Or maybe a small ally detachment later on.

So I have some questions before I start buying all my goodies- if anyone could guide me in the right direction, that'd be great!

1. What is the 'generic' or recommended wargear option for kitting out the troops (Custodian Guard squads)? 1 w/ Storm Shield/Blade and rest with Spears?

2. Hurricane Bolters or Missiles for Praetors? (And same with Shield-Captain on Jetbike- are bolters the best option?)

3. What are the 'must include' units for the army?

4. And does anyone have any modeling tips/tricks they recommend when working with Custode models?

Cheers!

1. Most people seem to think 1 Sword+Board and 2 Spears gives the best offense/defense combo. I personally run 3 Swords and Shields on mine because I need them primarily to hang on to objectives and stay there in the face of withering firepower.

2. Hurricane Bolters are the winner for both Jetbikes and Bike-Captains. Missiles are too expensive.

3. Bikes, bikes and more bikes. You only take Custodian Guards when you need a Custodes Battalion. There's almost no reason to take Wardens or Allarus.

4. If you want your Vexilla bearer to use a weapon other than a Misericordia, grab the Wardens box. it has a left-handed weapon model in it, unlike the Allarus box.

When it comes to allies, a lot of people in this thread will recommend Imperial Guard and they are very good allies, but they're by no means your only choice. Look to Blood Angels and Adeptus Mechanicus too. AdMech still brings plenty of CP with a lot of strong, long range firepower. Blood Angels can give you a lot of deep strike units to accompany a Bike force.

I think Trajan is over-costed even for the CP regeneration, unfortunately.

After Adepticon, how are people feeling about our need for dedicated psychic defense? Or are the points better spent on more bodies to mitigate other sources of mortal wounds (ie tyranids and DG)?

Trajann is one of the most points inefficient models in the codex. His CP regen is a one time deal, and other than his S10 weapon is the only notable thing about him.

I found this list, along with a pretty nice primer on Mono-Custodes while browsing reddit earlier and have found I have similar list building tendencies. Here is the list:


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [64 PL, 1244pts] ++

+ HQ +

Shield-Captain [7 PL, 124pts]: Castellan Axe

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 160pts]: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter, Superior Creation, Warlord

+ Troops +

Custodian Guard Squad [11 PL, 215pts]
. Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear

Custodian Guard Squad [11 PL, 215pts]
. Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear

Custodian Guard Squad [11 PL, 215pts]
. Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear

+ Fast Attack +

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 315pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Salvo Launcher
. Vertus Praetor: Salvo Launcher
. Vertus Praetor: Salvo Launcher

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [40 PL, 754pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Open the Vaults (1 Relic)

+ HQ +

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 160pts]: Eagle's Eye, Hurricane Bolter

+ Elites +

Allarus Custodians [18 PL, 336pts]
. Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe
. Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe
. Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe
. Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe

Vexillus Praetor [6 PL, 124pts]: Castellan Axe, Vexilla Magnifica

Vexillus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [7 PL, 134pts]: Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica

++ Total: [104 PL, 1998pts] ++

Additionally, here is a link to the reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/896enn/my_thoughts_on_playing_pure_custodes/?st=JFJ7L5O2&sh=ca26280f

 greyknight12 wrote:
After Adepticon, how are people feeling about our need for dedicated psychic defense? Or are the points better spent on more bodies to mitigate other sources of mortal wounds (ie tyranids and DG)?

I think we do need to have something for it. Not a ton, but more than zero. Right now my favorite option seems to be taking a Grey Knight Patrol detachment of Voldus and a Strike Squad. Gets you 4 +1 denials for 295 points.

Trajann buffs to Custodes units is highly underrated and jetbikes are overrated. Allarus if properly used are one of the best units in the codex. I also happen to like Wardens since they can take axes - I run a Vanguard detachment by the way. Jetbikes are good but I wouldn’t build my army around them.

 Primark G wrote:
Trajann buffs to Custodes units is highly underrated and jetbikes are overrated. Allarus if properly used are one of the best units in the codex. I also happen to like Wardens since they can take axes - I run a Vanguard detachment by the way. Jetbikes are good but I wouldn’t build my army around them.

I've found that to be the complete opposite, I've tested Big units of Allarus hoping to use the splitting strat only for them to deepstrike down and do very little damage shooting and then struggle to make the charge. Small units have been just as bad since even the cheapest is 252 points with a 6 inch move once they come down and with how things can be screen or simply moved i find it hard to justify that many points for a one turn thing

 greyknight12 wrote:
After Adepticon, how are people feeling about our need for dedicated psychic defense? Or are the points better spent on more bodies to mitigate other sources of mortal wounds (ie tyranids and DG)?

Still mandatory IMO without it I find I'm vulnerable to most tourney eldar,nids and chaos lists. My three detachments mostly wind up being the standard cheap guard battalion, then a sisters/inquistion/assassins battalion then a patrol detachment of Custodes with @ bike Captains, a 3 man guard squad and a 5 man bike squad. The sisters battalion to me is great value, with seraphim you get cheap fast anti tank Celestine helps heavily in drawing firepower, splashing a culexus and greyfax doesn't lose you anything and you also get the sisters stratagem of stopping psychic powers on a 4+

I use the strategem to deep strike them into a sure charge off the Vexilla Praetor - works every time.

 Primark G wrote:
I use the strategem to deep strike them into a sure charge off the Vexilla Praetor - works every time.

T1 deepstrike the Vexilla. T2 pray your still alive and that the enemy didn't pull back far enough. And requires they don't have chaff pushing you further back.
Sounds iffy to me at top level play.

(and using Plate relic requires your opponent to be dumb enough to be in combat with the chosen character (likely Celstine)).

I use the regular Praetor.

 Primark G wrote:
I use the regular Praetor.

Is that an answer?
How are you getting him close enough to charge off of his Vexilla Homer?

I let the enemy come to me. There are alot of melee heavy armies in my meta.

 Primark G wrote:
I let the enemy come to me. There are alot of melee heavy armies in my meta.

I wonder if it would have been useful to include that in your original post so that everyone could ignore it for talking about a completely different scenario then the one being discussed.

Can we realistically expect any changes with the coming FAQ? I feel pretty much all the Custodes units are overpriced, with the biggest offender being the Land Raider. The only unit priced pretty good is the bikes.

I don't think so since the codex is so new. Changes to points are only done in Chapter Approved.

Gryphonne wrote:
Can we realistically expect any changes with the coming FAQ? I feel pretty much all the Custodes units are overpriced, with the biggest offender being the Land Raider. The only unit priced pretty good is the bikes.

I'm hoping but it's doubtful cause we're new.


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 Primark G wrote:
I don't think so since the codex is so new. Changes to points are only done in Chapter Approved.

We actually don't know if point changes are only CA. Just as many people say they'll be in both.


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 Primark G wrote:
Trajann buffs to Custodes units is highly underrated and jetbikes are overrated. Allarus if properly used are one of the best units in the codex. I also happen to like Wardens since they can take axes - I run a Vanguard detachment by the way. Jetbikes are good but I wouldn’t build my army around them.

We went over the math on the bikes Vs. Allarus pretty darn thoroughly!

I doubt Custodes will see much attention in the FAQ. MAAAYBE some points adjustments (my gut is they'll increase the cost of bike captains more likely then to lower the cost of other units) my over all suspicion is custodes are more or less about "right" in GW's mind