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Onagers match well with Custodes since they wreck vehicles and monsters at range. I’d like to know how it works out for you. The tether is really good too.

Randomly I may have found the cheapest (by MSRP) battleforged 1500 pt list.

3 supreme command detachments with 3 of each captain type, all 6 foot captains with guardian spears, plus two vexilla praetors with magnifica and misericordia. 1500 pts exactly, 1 box of Allarus, 1 box of Vertus, and 1 box of Guard. You will have to convert the second vexilla with the Allarus one though.

It's pretty sad there aren't enough points for axes and the Vexilla Praetors are only armed with a knife.

It's also a very bad list. But this is how it should be, 11 Custodians against 375 Cultists.

Been seriously looking at running a shadowsword with the custodes, think it would perform really well. Something like this:

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [70 PL, 1284pts] ++

+ HQ +

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 164pts]: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Superior Creation, Warlord

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 164pts]: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia

+ Elites +

Vexillus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [7 PL, 134pts]: Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica

+ Fast Attack +

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 274pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 274pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 274pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [15 PL, 242pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Astra Millitarum/Imperium

+ HQ +

Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Kurov's Aquila, Laspistol

Primaris Psyker [2 PL, 46pts]: Force Stave, Mental Fortitude, Nightshroud

Primaris Psyker [2 PL, 46pts]: Force Stave, Psychic Barrier, Psychic Maelstrom

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [26 PL, 472pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Cadian

+ Lord of War +

Shadowsword [26 PL, 472pts]: Twin heavy bolter
. 2 Lascannon & Twin Heavy Bolter Sponsons: 2x Lascannon, 2x Twin heavy bolter

++ Total: [111 PL, 1998pts] ++

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Or this:


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [70 PL, 1314pts] ++

+ HQ +

Shield-Captain [7 PL, 128pts]: Castellan Axe, Misericordia

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 164pts]: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Superior Creation, Warlord

+ Troops +

Custodian Guard Squad [11 PL, 212pts]
. Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear

Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 156pts]
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear

Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 156pts]
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear
. Custodian: Guardian Spear

+ Elites +

Vexillus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [7 PL, 134pts]: Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica

+ Fast Attack +

Vertus Praetors [20 PL, 364pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [26 PL, 474pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Cadian

+ Lord of War +

Shadowsword [26 PL, 474pts]: Storm Bolter, Twin heavy bolter
. 2 Lascannon & Twin Heavy Bolter Sponsons: 2x Lascannon, 2x Twin heavy bolter

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [13 PL, 212pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Regimental Doctrine: Astra Millitarum/Imperium

+ HQ +

Primaris Psyker [2 PL, 46pts]: Force Stave, Mental Fortitude, Psychic Maelstrom

Primaris Psyker [2 PL, 46pts]: Force Stave, Nightshroud, Psychic Barrier

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Guardsman
. Sergeant: Laspistol

++ Total: [109 PL, 2000pts] ++

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Know the first one is better but just like foot guard more.

If you are using a super heavy auxiliary go Vostroyan. You dont benefit from the cadian doctrine, but the vostroyan stratagem is ace

Yeah, being able to protect your Shadowsword from a first turn alpha strike is too good not to use. For that reason, I'd go for list 2 and make your Warlord a company commander with the CP artifact and the CP warlord trait.

Booger ork wrote:
If you are using a super heavy auxiliary go Vostroyan. You dont benefit from the cadian doctrine, but the vostroyan stratagem is ace

Wait, what? How does he not benefit from the Cadian Doctrine? He re-rolls 1's to Hit if he doesn't move. It applies.

Catachan isn't a bad one to use either. Let's him re-roll one of the shots dice.

You don’t get the doctrine in a Super Heavy Aux detachment.

 JNAProductions wrote:
You don’t get the doctrine in a Super Heavy Aux detachment.

Is that a FAQ? I didn't see it otherwise.

Its right in your codex on the page about Doctrines.

 Ordana wrote:
Its right in your codex on the page about Doctrines.

I don't have this Codex. I'm going off what I saw at the last NOVA where I recall players using it, but perhaps I'm just crazy.

And there we have 90% of the problems with 8th edition rules.
"Battlescribe lets me do it".

To get back on topic. I have considered a Shadowsword aswell, but it kills 1 thing really hard when I feel like I would rather be able to hit more targets for that price tag. Like several Leman Russes or Predators.

But my local area doesn't include a lot (any) super heavies so if your facing them more regularly its value goes up a lot.

I feel that the SS is too many points invested in one unit.

 Primark G wrote:
I feel that the SS is too many points invested in one unit.

Yes it is however if I drop the shadowsword I take 5 allarus terminators. Which is a lot of points invested in one unit.

 Primark G wrote:
I feel that the SS is too many points invested in one unit.

It's not as bad as other massive point investment units though since you can keep it off the board for turn 1 (or until you take down the enemy's anti-armour units) and avoid an alpha strike taking it down.

It just seems so hit or miss really depending on the matchup to make its worth. If you like SHV then give it a try.

Telemon Dreadnought just got 40k rules

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40k-Adeptus-Custodes-Telemon-2018.pdf

4++ but only 3 dmg in melee -.- Can't wait to deepstrike him

Very pricey for the points. I could see taking one with double ranged weapons and losing the power fists.

 Primark G wrote:
Very pricey for the points. I could see taking one with double ranged weapons and losing the power fists.

Agreed. T8, 2+/4++/6+++ 15 wound frame with either 20 s7 ap-1 d3d or 12 S8 ap-3 d3d shots, plus 10 super heavy bolter shots if stationary for 340/310 points respectively seems pretty good all things considered. The plasma throwers make the melee variant prohibitively expensive.

I'm on my way to Warhammer Fest right now (at airport). Hope they have some for sale there!

The fist/flamer version is horribly overpriced.
Double Accelerators for an AT platform seems good for 310 points.

Yeah, 310 for 12 str 8 plasma shots and 5/10 better bolter shots isn’t too shabby on a T8, 15 wound 2+/4++/6+++ platform.

I’d never take the CCW arms though. 185 points for a bit of melee threat and 4d6 plasma flamer shots is shockingly high. Besides, with Custodes, if you want more melee threat, all you need is another unit of bikers (practically 2 units for bikes for a single basic Telemon).

I'd NEVER EVER suggest anyone takes 1 ccw arm and 1 shooty weapon, as the cost of the single arm becomes 120 points.... lol...

Such a disappointment on the melee front of it.

Dakka ones with a ground force might be interesting. Give them -1 to be hit, eh?

Don't know if it's close enough to competitive, though.

So the Grav Tank is 315p for

T7 14W 3+ 6++ 6+++

60" 8 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
36" 6 shots with S6 -2AP 1dmg

and then there is the Telemon

310p with two Iliastus accelerator culverin for

T8 15W 2+ 4++ 6+++

36" 12 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
24" 5/10 shots with S5 -2AP 1dmg

The Telemon is almost 100% harder to kill, does more dmg and can deep strike. I think FW is not comparing units.

why would i ever take the Grav Tank now? Or does this

"A Telemon Heavy Dreadnought may replace one or both of its Telemon Caestus and twin plasma ejectors with one
of the following (both a Telemon Caestus and a twin plasma ejector must be exchanged for a single option).
• Arachnus las-storm
• Iliastus accelerator culverin"

mean i can take only one Iliastus accelerator culverin?

 nordsturmking wrote:
So the Grav Tank is 315p for

T7 14W 3+ 6++ 6+++

60" 8 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
36" 6 shots with S6 -2AP 1dmg

and then there is the Telemon

310p with two Iliastus accelerator culverin for

T8 15W 2+ 4++ 6+++

36" 12 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
24" 5/10 shots with S5 -2AP 1dmg

The Telemon is almost 100% harder to kill, does more dmg and can deep strike. I think FW is not comparing units.

why would i ever take the Grav Tank now? Or does this

"A Telemon Heavy Dreadnought may replace one or both of its Telemon Caestus and twin plasma ejectors with one
of the following (both a Telemon Caestus and a twin plasma ejector must be exchanged for a single option).
• Arachnus las-storm
• Iliastus accelerator culverin"

mean i can take only one Iliastus accelerator culverin?

I tripped up on that at first, too. But, based on the clarification inside the parentheses, it only means you can't replace a single close combat arm with two ranged weapons. You can still replace both close combat arms with 1 ranged weapon each.

Raulengrin wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:
So the Grav Tank is 315p for

T7 14W 3+ 6++ 6+++

60" 8 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
36" 6 shots with S6 -2AP 1dmg

and then there is the Telemon

310p with two Iliastus accelerator culverin for

T8 15W 2+ 4++ 6+++

36" 12 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
24" 5/10 shots with S5 -2AP 1dmg

The Telemon is almost 100% harder to kill, does more dmg and can deep strike. I think FW is not comparing units.

why would i ever take the Grav Tank now? Or does this

"A Telemon Heavy Dreadnought may replace one or both of its Telemon Caestus and twin plasma ejectors with one
of the following (both a Telemon Caestus and a twin plasma ejector must be exchanged for a single option).
• Arachnus las-storm
• Iliastus accelerator culverin"

mean i can take only one Iliastus accelerator culverin?

I tripped up on that at first, too. But, based on the clarification inside the parentheses, it only means you can't replace a single close combat arm with two ranged weapons. You can still replace both close combat arms with 1 ranged weapon each.

Ok sool so the Telemon is the AT Option we were waiting for

Raulengrin wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:
So the Grav Tank is 315p for

T7 14W 3+ 6++ 6+++

60" 8 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
36" 6 shots with S6 -2AP 1dmg

and then there is the Telemon

310p with two Iliastus accelerator culverin for

T8 15W 2+ 4++ 6+++

36" 12 shots with S8 -3AP d3 dmg
24" 5/10 shots with S5 -2AP 1dmg

The Telemon is almost 100% harder to kill, does more dmg and can deep strike. I think FW is not comparing units.

why would i ever take the Grav Tank now? Or does this

"A Telemon Heavy Dreadnought may replace one or both of its Telemon Caestus and twin plasma ejectors with one
of the following (both a Telemon Caestus and a twin plasma ejector must be exchanged for a single option).
• Arachnus las-storm
• Iliastus accelerator culverin"

mean i can take only one Iliastus accelerator culverin?

I tripped up on that at first, too. But, based on the clarification inside the parentheses, it only means you can't replace a single close combat arm with two ranged weapons. You can still replace both close combat arms with 1 ranged weapon each.

Yeah they flubbed the RAW on his weapons loadout hard. RAW I think you have the option of trading one or both close combat weapons for just one gun, not one gun each, but RAI seems pretty obvious they meant one gun each.

I think I'm in love.

Telemon is silly good anti-tank compared to any other native custodes option, and compares favorably to a lot of the other imperial options that aren't IG.

Also, telemon is in BS and will be out with the next release

 WindstormSCR wrote:
Telemon is silly goot anti-tank compared to any other native custodes option, and compares favorably to a lot of the other imperial options that aren't IG.

Also, telemon is in BS and will be out with the next release

My hero of the day!

But yeah, this thing is basically a Custodes version of a Dakka-Leviathan, not a CC monster.

I look forward to rules set in stone, not beta ones, before I make any purchases.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I look forward to rules set in stone, not beta ones, before I make any purchases.

I bet they'll be close, so I went ahead and snagged this guy. I think the double S7 guns is the optimal build if you're shooting at anything with hight T and a 4++ or better (Tesseract Vaults, Mortarion, Magnus, Guilliman, e.t.c.). I'm looking forward to trying this out.

Audustum wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I look forward to rules set in stone, not beta ones, before I make any purchases.

I bet they'll be close, so I went ahead and snagged this guy. I think the double S7 guns is the optimal build if you're shooting at anything with hight T and a 4++ or better (Tesseract Vaults, Mortarion, Magnus, Guilliman, e.t.c.). I'm looking forward to trying this out.

Forge world is... kinda fethed ATM, so close is never certain