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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 19:06:37
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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gorgon wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:At the time, his dance to Alley Cat was the height of comedic genius.
I guess liking things makes me a toxic, rabid fan, though. After all, it can't be that some movies are good and the audience responds to that, and some movies are unnecessarily provocative and the audience responds to that, too. No, all movies are merely tepid, and it is a flaw in one's character to care about them.
Good thing that's what no one with any sense is saying.
Well, I was replying for Cabin Boy, but needed something relevant to the thread, so thought I would pay homage to the most prolific poster in the thread for maximum Solo thread relevance. Automatically Appended Next Post: Lance845 wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:At the time, his dance to Alley Cat was the height of comedic genius.
I guess liking things makes me a toxic, rabid fan, though. After all, it can't be that some movies are good and the audience responds to that, and some movies are unnecessarily provocative and the audience responds to that, too. No, all movies are merely tepid, and it is a flaw in one's character to care about them.
Way to not follow what I was saying. Liking things isn't toxic. Liking things that don't matter so much that you become so emotionally attached that you "Feel ill" when it's a "bad" one. is toxic. Liking it so much that when you don't like this newest one you attack the people involved in it's creation is toxic.
You were quite insistent that all fandoms are toxic, that all fans were toxic. If you are going to walk back your incindiary broad-brush painting this far, an apology is standard etiquette.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 19:19:21
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Im not walking back nothing. It's what the words mean. I am sorry you misread the things I was saying because you define fan and fandom differently than a dictionary? If Fan is the shortened Fanatic then Fandom is a community of fanatics. What about that is healthy?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 19:30:08
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Do you not understand how language changes over time? What you just typed is as disingenuous as if you were explaining that you like to use a word that means "bundle of sticks" and can't see why people interpret in a way that isn't in the OED.
Also, you said all fandom is toxic. That is not limiting your statement to people who feel ill when watching bad franchise films* but rather including anyone who considers him or herself to be a fan rational aficionado or a member of the intended long term audience of a creative work.
*And really, feeling ill can be appropriate. Anyone who paid to see Batman and Robin shoukd feel ill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 19:46:32
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Norn Queen
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Do you not understand how language changes over time? What you just typed is as disingenuous as if you were explaining that you like to use a word that means "bundle of sticks" and can't see why people interpret in a way that isn't in the OED. This would be fair if it wasn't for context. If you and I were out camping and I asked you to bring me that "Bundle of sticks", then the word would have an obvious meaning that is not how the word has evolved over time. Likewise, in this discussion, when talking about the insane backlash of a group of people because they didn't like what happened in a movie what exactly do you think I was talking about when I said Fans were toxic? Do you REALLY think I meant having any kind of positive reaction to something is a problem? When I said Fan you knew I wasn't talking about a machine with spinning blades designed to create a cool breeze right? Well, I obviously wasn't talking about people who just like a thing either. Extend just the SLIGHTEST bit of reason my way please. Also, you said all fandom is toxic. That is not limiting your statement to people who feel ill when watching bad franchise films* but rather including anyone who considers him or herself to be a fan rational aficionado or a member of the intended long term audience of a creative work. I like A LOT of things. Pretty much everything Nathan Fillion does, Red Dwarf, Marvel films 99% of the time, the Fables comic series, Deadpool - especially when it was written by Daniel Way, etc etc etc... I don't attribute myself to be a part of any group associated with liking any of those things. I don't label myself, or consider myself to be, a part of any "Fandom". Being a member of a "Fandom" is not as simple as liking a thing. It goes a step beyond into that fanatical territory. Is every individual inside a fandom the monsters who bully actresses and creators for "Ruining their childhood?" No. Obviously not. But those communities breed that attitude. It doesn't exist outside of the groups who care SO MUCH. Close parallel. Is every organized church the West Burrows Baptist Church? Obviously not. But when you give up reasoning on a subject for emotional investment and surround yourself with a community of individuals who have done the same you create a breeding ground for toxic, outlandish, unreasonable backlash against those you perceive to have offended the thing you got emotionally invested in. *And really, feeling ill can be appropriate. Anyone who paid to see Batman and Robin shoukd feel ill.
I THINK it was B&R, but I know George Clooney was offering to give everyone their 10.00 back if they gave him their movie ticket. He felt real bad about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 20:14:07
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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In the year of our Lord 2018, "toxic fanbase" is more often than not used for "fanbase that does not shut up and just consumes the pig slop we serve in silence and without complaining".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 21:39:22
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Norn Queen
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Kaiyanwang wrote:In the year of our Lord 2018, "toxic fanbase" is more often than not used for "fanbase that does not shut up and just consumes the pig slop we serve in silence and without complaining".
Because saying you dont like something or that it was made poorly is EXACTLY the same as changing a characters profile on a wiki to be full of racial slurrs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 22:25:44
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Wicked Warp Spider
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Lance845 wrote: Kaiyanwang wrote:In the year of our Lord 2018, "toxic fanbase" is more often than not used for "fanbase that does not shut up and just consumes the pig slop we serve in silence and without complaining". Because saying you dont like something or that it was made poorly is EXACTLY the same as changing a characters profile on a wiki to be full of racial slurrs.
And of course, EVERY SINGLE detractor of these catastrophically bad movies is a racist like these few imbeciles that edited wookiepedia or created the no-females cut of TLJ (as if the female characters were treated better, poor delusional fools).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 22:30:38
Subject: Re:Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Once again, Solo was a perfectly fine movie. Is it the Green Mile? No. Empire Strikes back? Nope. But it was fun to watch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 23:55:37
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Kaiyanwang wrote: Lance845 wrote: Kaiyanwang wrote:In the year of our Lord 2018, "toxic fanbase" is more often than not used for "fanbase that does not shut up and just consumes the pig slop we serve in silence and without complaining".
Because saying you dont like something or that it was made poorly is EXACTLY the same as changing a characters profile on a wiki to be full of racial slurrs.
And of course, EVERY SINGLE detractor of these catastrophically bad movies is a racist like these few imbeciles that edited wookiepedia or created the no-females cut of TLJ (as if the female characters were treated better, poor delusional fools).
And once again, nobody said EVERY SINGLE detractor. People who dont like the pacing or the characerization, or the plot, or the plot holes are welcome to their opinion. Criticism is fine. Its not the general audience who didnt like the movies who did the horrible things. It was people who were so emotionally invested that the energy and effort spent to do the terrible things was worth it for them. The fanatics. The fans. The extremists within the fandom.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 00:03:24
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Kaiyanwang wrote:In the year of our Lord 2018, "toxic fanbase" is more often than not used for "fanbase that does not shut up and just consumes the pig slop we serve in silence and without complaining".
IMO, the proper definition is 'either sullen teenagers looking for attention or grown men desperately trying to recapture their childhoods, spewing vile gak all over themselves and any forum they inhabit'.
Which is a different thing than fans who simply didn't like a given thing, and can behave like decent human beings when discussing it. Plenty of people fit in this category. However, the people described in the above definition absolutely exist, and I'm not sure why anyone outside of said 'toxic' group would deny this. Hateful, truly ugly gak is pretty easy to find on the internet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 00:10:14
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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I think you guys underestimate the general involvement people had with these old movies. I would also argue that the "true" fans can be actually those eating up whatever. Title is misleading. Taken from a RLM video. Worth a watch. Anyhow, instead of escalating the heat level of the discussion, I will retreat in my realm and wait and see. Personally, I am convinced that part of the fact that Solo will go out as one of the greatest bombs in film history is due not only to the lack of investment in a non-mainline story (otherwise R1 would have been a disaster) or mismanagement from Kennedy (without the reshoots the movie would have lost way less money). The negative reaction from TLJ is there, along with the record week-to-week drop with such movie. We have to wait and see in 1.5 years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 01:51:25
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Norn Queen
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Coupled with being sandwiched between the record breaking infinity war and the sequel to the highest grossing r- rated movie of all time with little to no promotional material.
Agree. All those things are factors. Some more than others.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 02:54:30
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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Lance845 wrote: Kaiyanwang wrote: Lance845 wrote: Kaiyanwang wrote:In the year of our Lord 2018, "toxic fanbase" is more often than not used for "fanbase that does not shut up and just consumes the pig slop we serve in silence and without complaining".
Because saying you dont like something or that it was made poorly is EXACTLY the same as changing a characters profile on a wiki to be full of racial slurrs.
And of course, EVERY SINGLE detractor of these catastrophically bad movies is a racist like these few imbeciles that edited wookiepedia or created the no-females cut of TLJ (as if the female characters were treated better, poor delusional fools).
And once again, nobody said EVERY SINGLE detractor. People who dont like the pacing or the characerization, or the plot, or the plot holes are welcome to their opinion. Criticism is fine. Its not the general audience who didnt like the movies who did the horrible things. It was people who were so emotionally invested that the energy and effort spent to do the terrible things was worth it for them. The fanatics. The fans. The extremists within the fandom.
citation needed. You can claim that all you like, but it could just as easily be KK herself who edited the wiki pages and posting terrible things to trans' instagram account then ordered her by contract to close her account if she wanted a role in ep 9. All publicity is good publicity after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 04:20:42
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Norn Queen
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Hahaha. Okay. So your argument now is that racists and sexists DON'T exist, the sw fandom is just a bunch of real nice people, and KK is a figure head in a publicity conspiracy that involves putting down those real nice people by fabricating evidence that racists and sexists exist. And further, that the conspiracy has backfired and Solo is doing exceptionally poorly because those real nice people got together to boycott.
Did i miss anything?
Just making sure i understand the full extent of your strawman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 23:49:19
Subject: Re:Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Missionary On A Mission
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AegisGrimm wrote:Once again, Solo was a perfectly fine movie. Is it the Green Mile? No. Empire Strikes back? Nope. But it was fun to watch.
Agreed. I thought that Solo was a fine movie. It is the Star Wars spin off that I enjoyed the most. I love that he skirts through his adventures based on luck (and a bit of skill!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 13:10:01
Subject: Re:Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Solo was subject to some of the worst release timing and marketing ever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 15:14:11
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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Lance845 wrote:Hahaha. Okay. So your argument now is that racists and sexists DON'T exist, the sw fandom is just a bunch of real nice people, and KK is a figure head in a publicity conspiracy that involves putting down those real nice people by fabricating evidence that racists and sexists exist. And further, that the conspiracy has backfired and Solo is doing exceptionally poorly because those real nice people got together to boycott.
Did i miss anything?
Just making sure i understand the full extent of your strawman.
Speaking of strawmen, you sure like making them.
The point that you missed is when it comes to tiko's twitter, we don't know who did it, so assuming it was a racist or sexist caused trans to leave the internet has absolutely no evidence to it. As all the media has been pushing the fans are sexists you'd think they'd be interviewing her about it to push the story further. But they're not, so that points to that narrative being a false one.
You'd think if a boycott from star wars fans can coast a major IP like star wars to bomb, they'd start trying to get them back to the theaters, but they're not, pointing to the boycott having little over all effect. Unless you're trying to state that the star wars fandom picks & chooses the box office winners & losers world wide. If that was the case every movie from now on would have star wars referrences in them, which we won't, so that points to that narrative being a false one.
Where is the evidence that star wars fans are any more racists or sexist then the society at large? are american star wars fans more/less sexists then america in general?
You can keep parroting the false narative that KK & lucas arts is pushing, but that doesn't make it true as it's clearly not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 19:22:08
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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gorgon wrote: Manchu wrote: gorgon wrote:WTF was up with hiring Lord and Miller in the first place?
A great question, for Kathleen Kennedy to answer.
I don't think she deserves *TOO* much scorn, especially if you really liked Solo. At least she took decisive action before it was too late in order to right the ship.
Now you're just playing both sides. She hired Lord and Miller. She fired Lord and Miller. Yes, she also hired Ron Howard to fix and finish the film. But the film was a box office catastrophe. She actually didn't right the ship - especially from your POV, since you insist that Solo was, at best, a mediocre and forgettable movie. Ron Howard deserves credit for making a very good movie in a tough position. But the failure of that movie is down to Kathleen Kennedy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 19:58:13
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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sirlynchmob wrote: Lance845 wrote:Hahaha. Okay. So your argument now is that racists and sexists DON'T exist, the sw fandom is just a bunch of real nice people, and KK is a figure head in a publicity conspiracy that involves putting down those real nice people by fabricating evidence that racists and sexists exist. And further, that the conspiracy has backfired and Solo is doing exceptionally poorly because those real nice people got together to boycott.
Did i miss anything?
Just making sure i understand the full extent of your strawman.
Speaking of strawmen, you sure like making them.
The point that you missed is when it comes to tiko's twitter, we don't know who did it, so assuming it was a racist or sexist caused trans to leave the internet has absolutely no evidence to it.
Except for all the racist and sexists tweets to her twitter account. It wasn't *a* racist or sexist, it was a quite a few of them, who felt the best way to deal with their personal problems was to publically throw their issues at her via twitter. So... this 'no evidence' nonsense you're spouting is just incorrect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 20:58:47
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Do we have direct sources for the tweets?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 21:03:20
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I'm pretty sure John Boyega pretty outright confirmed it was people being jerks to her that caused her to leave.
Ahmed Best, who played Jar-Jar in the prequels has also directly pointed the various horribleness to him directed to him over the years over the character has caused him to consider suicide on, I think, multiple occasions.
In short, people suck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 22:17:29
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Compel wrote:I'm pretty sure John Boyega pretty outright confirmed it was people being jerks to her that caused her to leave.
Ahmed Best, who played Jar-Jar in the prequels has also directly pointed the various horribleness to him directed to him over the years over the character has caused him to consider suicide on, I think, multiple occasions.
In short, people suck.
I have a lot of reservations on such claims, and I would like to see sources before being sure. Is true that people suck, I don't exclude this possibility but I wish we had more data than rumors.
Concerning Ahmed Best, I think that this sound more like bandwagoning, to be honest, since is happening now. Most people did not even know there was an actor behind Jar Jar. Many just believed it was CGIed in the scene (yeah... I know). All the hatred, justified or not, for the character, was absorbed by Lucas. I doubt many attacked Ahmed Best, because few suspected his existence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 22:44:10
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Voss wrote:sirlynchmob wrote: Lance845 wrote:Hahaha. Okay. So your argument now is that racists and sexists DON'T exist, the sw fandom is just a bunch of real nice people, and KK is a figure head in a publicity conspiracy that involves putting down those real nice people by fabricating evidence that racists and sexists exist. And further, that the conspiracy has backfired and Solo is doing exceptionally poorly because those real nice people got together to boycott.
Did i miss anything?
Just making sure i understand the full extent of your strawman.
Speaking of strawmen, you sure like making them.
The point that you missed is when it comes to tiko's twitter, we don't know who did it, so assuming it was a racist or sexist caused trans to leave the internet has absolutely no evidence to it.
Except for all the racist and sexists tweets to her twitter account. It wasn't *a* racist or sexist, it was a quite a few of them, who felt the best way to deal with their personal problems was to publically throw their issues at her via twitter. So... this 'no evidence' nonsense you're spouting is just incorrect.
Prove it.... shouldnt be difficult if there are as many as you state, I would be interested in seeing them too, in fact I will go a looking now, but still expect you to post links or pics as proof. Automatically Appended Next Post: gone through 20+ pages now looking for proof that she was driven off in a manner any different to the norm that other people receive on Twatter, thus far all I have seen is a un sourced screenrant article about a group claiming responsibility.
Thus far all we have is others claiming why she left and nothing from her, so unreliable sources at best, lies at worst (looking at you Rian) Automatically Appended Next Post: now at 100 articles and so far i am seeing a pattern, KMT has made not statement and its just a storm of "conjecture" claiming that she left due to "harassment", which may be true, but lacks any citations or proof, we have the original article coming out from a 3rd party source and the rest of the "click bait" sites latching on to it, then a comment from Rian Johnson (a less than trustworthy source) about the subject.
Long story short there is zero credible evidence that she has left due to "harassment".
Do I believe she did, yep, is there any proof, nope, therefore it cant be credibly claimed that its the reason she left.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 23:54:59
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Fixture of Dakka
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Lance845 wrote:
And once again, nobody said EVERY SINGLE detractor. People who dont like the pacing or the characerization, or the plot, or the plot holes are welcome to their opinion. Criticism is fine. Its not the general audience who didnt like the movies who did the horrible things. It was people who were so emotionally invested that the energy and effort spent to do the terrible things was worth it for them. The fanatics. The fans. The extremists within the fandom.
But by your definition, every member of the fandom IS a fanatic, as 'fandom' derives from 'fan' which derives from 'fanatic'.
Which just demonstrates how far you've overreached in your definition; even you no longer truly agree with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/07 23:59:56
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LucasArts doesn't exist anymore. It was their computer game wing. It got shut down quite a few years ago. Before the sale to das haus von Maus.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/08 00:00:15
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Vulcan wrote: Lance845 wrote:
And once again, nobody said EVERY SINGLE detractor. People who dont like the pacing or the characerization, or the plot, or the plot holes are welcome to their opinion. Criticism is fine. Its not the general audience who didnt like the movies who did the horrible things. It was people who were so emotionally invested that the energy and effort spent to do the terrible things was worth it for them. The fanatics. The fans. The extremists within the fandom.
But by your definition, every member of the fandom IS a fanatic, as 'fandom' derives from 'fan' which derives from 'fanatic'.
Which just demonstrates how far you've overreached in your definition; even you no longer truly agree with it.
A fanatic can be a fan, but not all fans are fanatics, regardless of where the word is derived from, I enjoy Star Wars and could be called a fan, but I’m not fanatical about it, it’s clear however some are, same with Trek, 40k etc.
I think that’s what your getting at though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/08 00:00:40
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Voss wrote:
Except for all the racist and sexists tweets to her twitter account. It wasn't *a* racist or sexist, it was a quite a few of them, who felt the best way to deal with their personal problems was to publically throw their issues at her via twitter. So... this 'no evidence' nonsense you're spouting is just incorrect.
Except now you're back to implying that those - what, dozen? two dozen? - racist sexist bigots are somehow representative of everyone who didn't like TLJ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/08 00:06:38
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Vulcan wrote:Voss wrote:
Except for all the racist and sexists tweets to her twitter account. It wasn't *a* racist or sexist, it was a quite a few of them, who felt the best way to deal with their personal problems was to publically throw their issues at her via twitter. So... this 'no evidence' nonsense you're spouting is just incorrect.
Except now you're back to implying that those - what, dozen? two dozen? - racist sexist bigots are somehow representative of everyone who didn't like TLJ.
Also quantifiably untrue according to the research I’m currently doing, TLJ detractors are a incredibly diverse group, just like the ones who like it, but hey... let’s not let facts get in the way of feels
You are correct Vulcan, Voss is wrong, it’s that simple.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/08 00:08:06
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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Formosa wrote: Vulcan wrote: Lance845 wrote:
And once again, nobody said EVERY SINGLE detractor. People who dont like the pacing or the characerization, or the plot, or the plot holes are welcome to their opinion. Criticism is fine. Its not the general audience who didnt like the movies who did the horrible things. It was people who were so emotionally invested that the energy and effort spent to do the terrible things was worth it for them. The fanatics. The fans. The extremists within the fandom.
But by your definition, every member of the fandom IS a fanatic, as 'fandom' derives from 'fan' which derives from 'fanatic'.
Which just demonstrates how far you've overreached in your definition; even you no longer truly agree with it.
A fanatic can be a fan, but not all fans are fanatics, regardless of where the word is derived from, I enjoy Star Wars and could be called a fan, but I’m not fanatical about it, it’s clear however some are, same with Trek, 40k etc.
I think that’s what your getting at though.
Exactly my point. Upthread Lance flat-out says that since 'fan' is a derivative of 'fanatic' it follows that the two mean exactly the same thing... and then contradicts himself by talking about the difference between 'fanatics' and 'fandom (the community of fans, or in his words the community of fanatics) in the quoted post.
He also claims upthread to not be a fan of anything, and not a member of any fandom... and yet posts here on a Warhammer/ 40K fan website quite regularly. Methinks he doth protest too much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/08 01:08:27
Subject: Solo: A Star Wars Story - please use spoiler tags
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I think you read to much into what I do for my own enjoyment. Finding a diverse group of people who are going to talk a lot of different opinions is much better then sitting in a echo chamber listening only to people who agree. This isn't my own source or outlet for discussion. It's just one that I enjoy. Up thread I said Fan was derived from (and in fact I said it was shorthand for) fanatic. I stand by that. I didn't say fanatics and the fandom are different. I said any community of fans breeds the toxic mindset that creates the situations we have seen. Thus fandoms are toxic. Not unlike the echo chambers I just mentioned. I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to follow the sentences I am laying out without adding your own implications or misconstruing them. Fact: Ass hole have done gakky things. Fact. They did those gakky things to these people, at least in part, because they were a part of a movie they didn't like. I never said everyone. I never said all. I never said every person who liked SW was a big piece of gak. I never said if you don't like TLJ or whatever that it HAD to be because you were a racist sexist bigot. I never said every person who chooses to label themselves a fan was a fanatic. What I said was Fandoms were toxic. They breed toxic behavior. The people who did these gakky things are the consequence of people caring so much about something that matters so little that they feel entitled to be monsters to people because their "Insert fan focus" was "attacked" when it "wasn't good enough". Kind of surprised this thread didn't just die. It should probably be locked since it's just repeating itself now. On the other hand if it IS locked it's just going to get someone to make ANOTHER SW thread and it will just move over there. Might as well keep it in one place.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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