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Nah I was hoping and expecting therians to show up, was his one decent work in sci fi, probably because it never involved drawing faces or armour, the rest of his at43 was WW2 but I really cannot put the blame on him though the whole game was alternative WW2 repurposed the last moment by R to be sci fi I have seen far better renditions of sci fi skeletons but hey it was not a bad take.

His overall sci fi work is chunky not in line with the work his colleagues did for example his space marines were always thick and inorganic in contrast to the excellent designs Marc Gibbons and Jess Goodwin did.

Really he did it? the old emperor artwork? now I am shocked how on earth he managed to devolve so much, how can somebody with continuous work on his field produce after 14 years of experience a new artwork were he manages to mess everything that he did good in the first one.

The glass window that sets the piece, the dynamism of the composition, the anatomy of the characters, the placement of the characters, the perspective drawn? in the artwork 14 years before the second the emperor not only does not have a dislocated leg and has all the spine-bones he should have, even manages to have both his feet on the ground! what happened? quality control got that worse?

... If I had realised in the past both were his my rants about the 2004 artwork would be even worse... in retrospect that is a good thing...

I think we can argue what is and is not sci fi all day, technically Hate is sci fi because it is set in a post apocalyptic world even though everybody is dressed as SM barbarians, but given the art style Zombicide had and the fluff they gave so far for their sci fi edition (plus the tiles) we can safely assume that the art style intended was a futuristic sci fi like mass effect, Valerian, and so on, not a sci fi set in the past with some futuristic things like diesel-punk or steampunk. In my opinion the soldiers he created fit the diesel-punk genre, not a futuristic we went to the stars setting.

As for the weapons, if the bullet is decently done all the oxygen needed for the propellant to ignite is inside the propellant, it does not need an external supply of oxygen to oxidise, most people do not know it, makes sense to most people who will read it, makes an interesting gameplay dynamic ere some weapons cannot be used in some tiles, overall it is a good design.

What happened is the 40k aesthetic evolved and Adrian's work matches that aesthetic. Proportions on power armoured humanoid figures have been very exaggerated in warhammer 40k for decades now.

I disagree what I pointed out were mostly technical issues, the emperor in first artwork has human proportions and has both his feet on the ground, he and Horus have all their limbs lockated were they should have been, and look different, the stairs are drawn with perspective, both characters are drown with perspective in mind one forward one in the background.

Moreover he draws the same mistakes in all the works he does outside of GW, anatomy has no meaning even if the depicted are humans perspective is eclectic.

I think the others and Hate were really his best work because the games were designed around his artwork, I do not think he can do artwork designed for a game, Zombicide invaders would probably be accepted easier if it was not named Zombicide and was an expansion for the others, or a sci fi version of the others.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Tiles look good. Also just to fuel the flames.

Spoiler:

Smith did Therian artwork for AT-43. Looks pretty scifi to me. Or would we argue it's too organic looking?

I'm not too up on AT-43, but it looks like those were actually designed by Edouard Guiton - small world. Edouard Guiton AT-43 gallery

It won't make any difference to how the game plays, but the Guiton designs are just a lot more fun than the new Smith designs and it's too bad they changed them for Invader.

 AAN wrote:
I just love what I see so far!
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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
This is mashing Andrian smiths art that has its fair share of followers and Zombicide that has its vastly bigger share of followers and hoping to capitalise by merging both together, ignoring the fact Zombicide was carried mostly by its art direction, not by its rules.

Hmm, I doubt that very much.
I have played with many, many folks that did not like the art direction BUT loved the gameplay.
IMO Zcide is one of the best casual games. Once you understood the basic mechanics, you can play even with months in between games.
Some of my friend are very casual gamers, games like Imperial Assault, any tabletop wargame, X-Wing or so are way too demanding for them. They all like Zcide!

Absolutely. I have never met anyone who has not enjoyed playing Zombicide on a casual basis. Even people who would never touch a board game beyond Trivial Pursuit or Cranium, and absolutely not war games, play the game.

I know if I get this it will get a lot of play out of it and some fantastic looking miniatures to paint (looking forward to what you will do with them AAN )

 pancakeonions wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
That is the issue this does not feel neither Zombicide nor Sci fi to me.

Gameplay sounds good and the environment tiles look good, though I had to cringe on the bullets do not work without air line, makes interesting gameplay change though.

Why would bullets work? I may be a bit ignorant here, but if we're falling back on the ol' explosion in a chamber pushes a slug o' metal out of a pipe-type bullets, don't they need oxygen to burn the explosion bit?

Also, I'm totally not getting the non-sci fi-art thing. The art is rad! Mr Smith is all about sci fi!

Modern weapons can fire in space even today. In the future they should definitely be able to. That being said I dont mind a little bending of reality if it makes the game more balanced and fun.

 squall018 wrote:

... That being said I dont mind a little bending of reality if it makes the game more balanced and fun.

My thoughts exactly, it is a science fiction GAME after all.

 AAN wrote:

 squall018 wrote:

... That being said I dont mind a little bending of reality if it makes the game more balanced and fun.

My thoughts exactly, it is a science fiction GAME after all.

I thought it was a simulator. It had better be a simulator. I already invested heavily in chimps and restraints.

Has anyone disagreed on that?

I wasn't expecting news over the weekend but here's more - Invaders Fatty equivalent

The hulking Xeno Tanks lead the charge against the mining base on PK-L7, shrugging off all but the most potent attacks. Smaller breeds of Xenos find cover behind their mass. The Survivors would be wise to keep the Tanks at a distance, as they deal out two Damage with each hit.

Oh man, just imagine the thwap-thwap sound his legs make against his bulge when he walks.

It really feels like the others though, makes great chulhuesque monster!

First pic: Well, now we know what happened to those Umber Hulks. They went into space!

Second pic: Yep. Space tentacle Cthulhu nutsack!

Haha, the terrible running this way but turned that a way pose always bad enough, but on a giant character wtfn

It looks like he was running down a corridor, and just caught sight of some tasty humans in a side room out the corner of its eye.

Nah, it's a cheesecake shot to show off both the T and the A...

That's, uh, Tentacles, obviously...

How big are these tanks? Fattie size or larger? Hard to tell from the pics.

 Col Hammer wrote:
How big are these tanks? Fattie size or larger? Hard to tell from the pics.

Assuming the base will be the same size (and I'd expect the final version to have the flat disc type base) they are the same size.

I like these guys, big cajones and all. Might make some great Dark Mariner experiments for Deep Wars as well...

Going from what we've seen so far, we should see some absolutely crazy KS-Exclusive Abominations That may be where we see a not- xenomorph queen.

Still think there should've been some Strain type infected humans to actually keep the Zombicide name relevant, rather than just for marketing purposes..

Better looking survivor - the "lower" armoured look looks better than full power armour

Mitsuki came to PK-L7 as a Civilian machine programmer, looking to assist with the extraction of Xenium from the planet. She had grown up with a love of technology, often relating more to robotics than her fellow humans.

So, is she a biplane pilot?

Also, the Japanese character is the socially awkward technophile? I guess they're tapping into that eighties nostalgia.

Well I think this can be dismantled for components, all look good alone.

I’m starting to like this more the more I see of it. I hope they don’t go too crazy with random pop culture references with all of the bonus survivors. I’d rather they kept the same look and built up a sizeable group that looked like a cohesive force.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, is she a biplane pilot?

Also, the Japanese character is the socially awkward technophile? I guess they're tapping into that eighties nostalgia.

Or the goggles are PPE for mining/robotics work.

Socially awkward technophiles are, have always and always will be a thing, so I’m not sure why that is 80’s nostalgia.

I do not think technophiles are ever going to eclipse from the world, I think technology has something that excites some people and their specialised interests makes them a bit awkward with the more generalised populations.

Cheerfully withdrawn.

She looks good - can see myself enjoying painting that.

DaveC - definitely agree, reminds me a little of the Aliens style armour (which can only be a good thing)

Really liking the lighter armour design.

I'm interested with what I have seen so far.

She's in mid tiptoe