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 Col Hammer wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Wait what? ammo box and ammo belt? with no ejection ports?

Seriously?

Propably uses 2 different style ammo. Ammo box has AP bullets and the ammo belt WP bullets or HE bullets?

Also, no ejection ports needed as the gun uses the same mechanism as the Portal turrets: the turrets use spring mechanisms to accelerate the whole bullet, including the casing. Why throw away half of the bullet each time you fire the gun when you can fire the whole bullet at the target.

Because the casing tends to hold the propellant needed for the round to go down the barrel. Without hitting a primer to turn that propellant, the round ain't going too far. Once that propellant goes BOOM, the bullet tends to separate from the casing.

Not to mention that if both the types of ammo are meant to feed through the same chamber, the set up shown wouldn't work too well. Look at the feed mechanisms for the main gun on an M2 Bradley for an example of how it would have to be set up.

 CptJake wrote:

 Col Hammer wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Wait what? ammo box and ammo belt? with no ejection ports?

Seriously?

Propably uses 2 different style ammo. Ammo box has AP bullets and the ammo belt WP bullets or HE bullets?

Also, no ejection ports needed as the gun uses the same mechanism as the Portal turrets: the turrets use spring mechanisms to accelerate the whole bullet, including the casing. Why throw away half of the bullet each time you fire the gun when you can fire the whole bullet at the target.

Because the casing tends to hold the propellant needed for the round to go down the barrel. Without hitting a primer to turn that propellant, the round ain't going too far. Once that propellant goes BOOM, the bullet tends to separate from the casing.

Not to mention that if both the types of ammo are meant to feed through the same chamber, the set up shown wouldn't work too well. Look at the feed mechanisms for the main gun on an M2 Bradley for an example of how it would have to be set up.

The ammo belt seems to be feeding a grenade launcher -like under-barrel attachment and not the main barrell.

The Portal Turret Spring Mechanism (PTSM) launches the whole bullet with casing intact. It doesn't need to ignite the propellant inside the casing. The PTSM is very efficient as long as there are oxygen available in enough quantities. Too bad it doesn't work outside the base, though.

You need a chamber for the propellant in the casing to actually propel the bullet int he correct direction at velocity. If it explodes in mid air, you cannot control the vector of the bullet.




And if the intent is just large springs propelling the projectile, you don't need or want a casing...


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Face it, the design is gak. Whoever came up with it is ignorant about how actual firearms work, or at least displays ignorance by putting out that design.

 CptJake wrote:
You need a chamber for the propellant in the casing to actually propel the bullet int he correct direction at velocity. If it explodes in mid air, you cannot control the vector of the bullet.

There is no explosion in mid air. It just shoots the whole bullet (casing included) at the target. Why shoot half bullet at the target when you can shoot a whole bullet at the target?

And if the intent is just large springs propelling the projectile, you don't need or want a casing...

I'm using a Portal turret as an example and you still think I'm being serious here?

Not sure if Col Hammer is joking or just doesn’t know how guns work...

 Col Hammer wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
You need a chamber for the propellant in the casing to actually propel the bullet int he correct direction at velocity. If it explodes in mid air, you cannot control the vector of the bullet.

There is no explosion in mid air. It just shoots the whole bullet (casing included) at the target. Why shoot half bullet at the target when you can shoot a whole bullet at the target?

And if the intent is just large springs propelling the projectile, you don't need or want a casing...

I'm using a Portal turret as an example and you still think I'm being serious here?

Personally you had me there for a bit, was about to write that the portal spring system must be a joke or something.

In any case, the weapon could use full ammo if it was caseless, but it clearly has a case with rim for extraction, so they are not caseless.

Overall the weapon looks like "40k" and not something it could function, why on earth have a lateral belt fed mechanism and why have a loose belt fed high calibre mechanism on a mobile weapon platform when the weapon has clearly a boxed ammo too.

Yes, I agree, the gun is silly.

(Unless it is designed by Aperture Science, then it is indeed best designed gun ever...)

One of the most striking things fans of Zombicide will notice with Zombicide: Invader, is how clean and streamlined the gameplay is. For example, the Spawn cards feature only one Xeno, making them quicker and easier to read, so you can get back to the important business of staying alive.

This discussion reminds me of the TV interview with the Iraqi woman complaining about the U.S. shooting up her house. The house had no bullets holes or visible damage (other than...being an Iraqi hovel). She picked up a handful of rounds (full cartridges, brass in place, etc.) and said "these are the bullets they shot into my house!" lol.

She's been collecting full rounds (probably from the street or something) and insisting they'd been fired into her house.

Bullets: how do they work?

I am an idiot, I saw those spawn cards and was sitting here wondering "what does the G stand for?" it took me until the last pic to get that it was a 6, and even then only because its all multiples of 2.

2, 4, G, 8, 10

 DaveC wrote:
The last few CMON KS have all required the purchase of a core pledge before you can get add ons, you could piggy back someone’s pledge for a tile pack or it will probably go to retail the Green Horde one will be available retail.

Hmm... I've ordered extra tiles in the previous three main Zombicide Kickstarters, but as I bought everything else it never occurred to me that you needed the base pledge. Thanks for the heads up.

I'll see what I can figure out when the time comes.

The Spoiler Abomination is more concerned with destruction than anything else. As it lumbers through the mining base, it leaves a disgusting, corrosive Mold that eats a away everything it touches. The giant Spoiler Abomination figure dwarfs the Survivors.

I can safely spend my money elsewhere now.

Wow, that is trash.

I'm digging the zombie aliens vibe. The abomination looks appropriately like a gigantic, mutated version of the little guys. Definitely wouldn't call it trash. It's a nice sculpt, even if you don't like the aesthetic.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Wow, that is trash.

Was it the Neck Nipples or the Boob Rock that displeased you most?

I can imagine that looking pretty cool (and provoking some cries of consternation!) when it gets placed on the board. So, good in my book

Although admit it does look a little bit like an R-rated Spongebob character (although again.. think that's kind of good! )

Looks like The Horror of Party Beach got into the steroids again.

The civilians are easily the best part of this so far. Hopefully some of the stretch goal Abombs look better

Vivian came to PK-L7 on a civilian contract. She's always considered herself part of a bigger machine and was happy for it. However, after the Xenos attacked, she's learning to break some rules and do whatever it takes to survive.

The ablobination looks like a bottom tier Mantic miniature with a few serious STDs.

Agreed. The civvies are really good, even if their weapons look under detailed or unfinished.

Rhat Abomination though. Yeesh. It certainly does live up to its name. But, why the groin suckers? why does it have more suckers inside its mouth?

That vanilla zombalien's pose really makes me miss films like Earth Girls Are Easy.





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 Barzam wrote:
Agreed. The civvies are really good, even if their weapons look under detailed or unfinished.

Rhat Abomination though. Yeesh. It certainly does live up to its name. But, why the groin suckers? why does it have more suckers inside its mouth?

Always use protection, kids. And fellas, teens with a present father figure are far less likely to engage in risky sexual activity. Be a daddy or your abomination will find a daddy.

I would like to get in on it but honestly I skipped the BP and I think this is a skip for me too. There are a lot of projects in the works right now.

Too many x-men belt buckles

That...is an awful miniature.

This is Zombicide. Where are the zombies?

Pass.

 Moopy wrote:
This is Zombicide. Where are the zombies?

Pass.

The aliens are zombies. They have been infected with a mold that makes them agressive.

Rage Zombies (like in 28 days later) are still considered a type of Zombie even if they are not undead. These mold-infected aliens are clearly Rage Zombies.

That abomination is one of the worst minis I've ever seen out of CMON. I was tentatively interested because of the human models but... nope.

 Col Hammer wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
This is Zombicide. Where are the zombies?

Pass.

The aliens are zombies. They have been infected with a mold that makes them agressive.

Rage Zombies (like in 28 days later) are still considered a type of Zombie even if they are not undead. These mold-infected aliens are clearly Rage Zombies.

So did mold killed them and made them into zombies or are they alive?

I like the civilians, and I don't mind the soldiers. The tiles look ace. That's about it.

The lion's share of the minis in that box, namely the aliens... so far are a hard miss. Wonder if I could use the Sedition Wars ones instead. I'd have a reason to stop procastrinating then and paint them at least!