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I think the raised canopy of the Immolator still looks good, but the turret never looked right to me. Instead of a purposely designed kit it always looked like a somewhat poorly done conversion. I think the concept could be kept but revised in to something a little better looking.

The accessory sprue also kind of sucks. Most of the stuff on it doesn't actually look like part of the Rhino, and as a result the vehicle ends up looking like it rolled through a trophy and lawn ornament shop and got a bunch of stuff stuck on. I'd really like to see the accessory sprue redesigned to actually really work with the Rhino kit and accentuate it instead of looking tacked on.

It would be great if a new Immolator could become a tri-kit (Immolator and variants, Sisters Rhino and Repressor. I don't think it would be that hard, and it would allow the Exorsist to double up with a new tank as well.

Edit: I actually really love the original Immolator. Its part of the original SoB aesthetic that was ornate but functional, before it went all steampunk metal cherubs an pipe organs. Which is also cool, but I like the older look better.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I think the 20 or so SoB true believers are inevitably going to be the most disappointed with eventual rerelease of SoB. To me it sounds like SoB are going to get a ground up redesign if they are going to let us see the design process over the course of the year. That means to me that SoB will likely be designed to appeal to the largest group of consumers not those that have been holding on for the last 15 years.

When 2nd edition Sisters of Battle came out in the late '90s I wanted to get them, but I was already collecting Imperial Guard, another, all-metal army. By the time my interest in 40k flared up again, and my economy had become robust enough to allow me to collect another army, Sisters of Battle were still all-metal, expensive, and hard to come by. And in my personal opinion the models were beginning to look old compared to most plastic armies, and I honestly believed they were going to update the range and release plastic models. I didn't want to go back to metal, they're difficult to convert in a satisfactory way, they chip easily, and transporting an army of them is heavy and cumbersome.

I don't believe I'm the only person who've been waiting for plastic models for more than 15 years now. I expect plastic Sisters of Battle to sell at least as well as Ad Mech.

I know I'll buy a set just to have. Ad Mech will continue to be my Imperial force of choice, but it couldn't hurt to round it out on my shelf with some angry nuns.

Give me a organ-gun exorcist or give me death!

I am super psyched and excited about this announcement. I am sure that GW will do a good job seeing Celestine and frankly all the other amazing releases they've done the last couple of months.
20 yrs! Such a long time. I was a kid back then and now I have a kid. This is about reliving childhood and purging heretics with fire! I started painting my Celestine yesterday and I have an Atrapos from FW I'll paint in SoB/Inq colours.
I want a bunch of flamers.

I don't care too much about the discussion on how sexualised they look. I trust GW will find a good middleground.

 jake wrote:
The accessory sprue also kind of sucks. Most of the stuff on it doesn't actually look like part of the Rhino, and as a result the vehicle ends up looking like it rolled through a trophy and lawn ornament shop and got a bunch of stuff stuck on. I'd really like to see the accessory sprue redesigned to actually really work with the Rhino kit and accentuate it instead of looking tacked on.

In that regard, it still looks better than the Repulsive Primaris tank

I have to admit, sisters will be my next army. Not had the drive to return to my old SM army since Primaris hit and I've lived two lifetimes of frustration as my DE and Ork armies have massive gaps in their product lines. Be nice to return to some grim dark Imperial.

Really quite hyped, and i'm not an old sisters player. They will convert me to the fold with the release.

GW will certainly screw AS players in one way or another. Just take a look at the new Death Guard Codex and how they changed some of the unit options. DG Terminators don´t have access to power fists anymore. So people like me who have a CSM force dedicated to Nurgle got the good old middle finger.

I don't have an interest in starting a SOB army, but I do intend to follow through on a silent pledge I made a few years ago. As a way of supporting those who have waited so long, I will buy a few sisters models just to inflate the sales and show GW that the product line needs support. However, I'll make sure I buy them after the initial rush. The last thing I want to do is take a box of the shelf and cause a genuine fan to wait for more stock.

 Strg Alt wrote:
GW will certainly screw AS players in one way or another. Just take a look at the new Death Guard Codex and how they changed some of the unit options. DG Terminators don´t have access to power fists anymore. So people like me who have a CSM force dedicated to Nurgle got the good old middle finger.

Yes! This is my worry, I've been playing sisters since the army list that came out in the 3rd ed book, then we got a chapter approved codex, then the witchhunters, then the white dwarf codex then the digidex, then imperial agents, now the index.
It felt like each time, I have had to chop hands off models, swap weapons around. E.g. Canonnes - can't have a jump pack any more. Blessed weapon - must be a sword now. Battle sisters heavy weapons options kept changing. Redemptionists, gone, inquisitorial storm troopers, gone, (then back as scions?), inquisitors as allies - now their weapons options all change.

I am super exciting about plastic sisters and a new launch, just please don't invalidate any existing units/options. ( and can we have jump pack canonnesses back?)

 ncshooter426 wrote:
The SoB asthetic will be what Celestine/Gem are. They will carry their classic style, but with better face/hair sculpts, slight change to paldrons, and modern (relative) bolters. I would not expect a huge change to models they put out 6 months ago...even if they're a year out. Celestine's armor is perfect in proportions.

-Seraphim will get the new packs,
-Retributors will get an overhaul to make them a bit more "heavy weapons" look.
-Celestians will likely have different helm option than the std spru
-Old excorcist will be killed off. May retain some of the grimdark organ theme, but I suspect it will be streamlined to be more like the current tanks
-Immoloator will get some basic updates, but still a rhino
-Repentias will be redone completely. I'm guessing more akin to sisters of silence in terms of stance/look, but with AoS DoK clothing style
-There *will* be a flier. GW loves fliers..I love fliers. It's going to happen.
-New HQ options will be needed. We have only 1 real named character, Ver doesn't count since she's no different than a canonness and was technically limited

+1

Maybe adding:
- Plastic version of the Repressor
- Dito of the Penitent Engine (the only one AS model I did not get - as they keep falling apart)

I like the Exorcist / organ look and hope they keep it.

 Strg Alt wrote:
GW will certainly screw AS players in one way or another. Just take a look at the new Death Guard Codex and how they changed some of the unit options. DG Terminators don´t have access to power fists anymore. So people like me who have a CSM force dedicated to Nurgle got the good old middle finger.

There aren't any Death Guard Terminator minis with power fists, so that's why they don't get the rule for them.

No I'm not arguing in favour of that, simply stating the reason why.

I would love to see more hair options, the bob cut is a bit outdated.

angel of death 007 wrote:
I would love to see more hair options, the bob cut is a bit outdated.

The standard hairstyle is part of their iconic canonical appearance. Theres a reason that literally every sister over has the same hair style. Changing it would be like changing their armor. So I doubt we'll see more hairstyles.

Thankfully for those that don't care for it (which is perfectly fine, of course) there's likely to be plenty of helmets.

Only Living Saints are allowed to have a different hair style.

 Kapitan Montag wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
GW will certainly screw AS players in one way or another. Just take a look at the new Death Guard Codex and how they changed some of the unit options. DG Terminators don´t have access to power fists anymore. So people like me who have a CSM force dedicated to Nurgle got the good old middle finger.

Yes! This is my worry, I've been playing sisters since the army list that came out in the 3rd ed book, then we got a chapter approved codex, then the witchhunters, then the white dwarf codex then the digidex, then imperial agents, now the index.
It felt like each time, I have had to chop hands off models, swap weapons around. E.g. Canonnes - can't have a jump pack any more. Blessed weapon - must be a sword now. Battle sisters heavy weapons options kept changing. Redemptionists, gone, inquisitorial storm troopers, gone, (then back as scions?), inquisitors as allies - now their weapons options all change.

I am super exciting about plastic sisters and a new launch, just please don't invalidate any existing units/options. ( and can we have jump pack canonnesses back?)

Fair points well made. Though I believe Redemptionists did a full on hokey-cokey. In/Out/In/Out.

I suspect we might yet see new units for Sisters.

Consider Dark Eldar, and Necrons when they got a proper spit and polish job back around, oooooh, must've been 2010?

Dark Eldar in particular did exceptionally well. All units re-done. Only one that didn't return is of course Vect. Some new units added (extra beasties, Venom, Archon's Court spring to mind. Oh, and the flyers. Might've been more, but I can think of them right now).

Necrons? Wowser. Only the existing plastics were left as-were. Received two new flyers, the Catacomb Command Barge and the Dakka Barge, the transport and the phallocannon, Deathmarks.

The above aren't of course including Special Characters. That's a delineation all my own, and made because not everyone likes using them/agrees to play against them. I make no judgement on those stances, save to say I personally don't have an issue.

RIght now, Sisters have...from memory.....Sisters, Special Weapons, Heavy Weapons, Organ Tank, Rhino, Immolator, Seraphim, Repentia and the Walker Thing. Pretty slim pickings. All of those being converted to plastic is a pretty smol release these days - spesh as the infantry can be made a single box of models (which is not to say it should be done that way).

I can see Repentia getting the biggest re-design. Not because of their aesthetic, but because they're currently jolly difficult to dual-kit box. Best they could manage there would be extra weapon option which doesn't really cut the mustard these days.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Which Order was Killed off?

I don't have the books to confirm it, but IIRC it was Our Martyred Lady.

I could be wrong, though, and that they just took another round of massive crippling casualties (which is something that happens to them a lot anyway).

Hmm I know some of the Order fought on Cadia but escaped and some were killed on the voyage to Terra with RG, but not seen anything to say they were wiped out - might be one of the novels or codexes I don;t have though as I no longer get everything.

The Martyred Lady are the poster girls for the faction. They'll certainly be making an appearance. Sanctuary 101 couldn't kill them, Armageddon couldn't kill them, and neither could Cadia.

Apparently the Tyranid codex' galaxy map show a tendril bearing down on the Ophelia system which potentially would be a neat hook, but the sisters are too big and too decentralized to be wiped out by a devastating loss.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I can see Repentia getting the biggest re-design. Not because of their aesthetic, but because they're currently jolly difficult to dual-kit box. Best they could manage there would be extra weapon option which doesn't really cut the mustard these days.

I could see an Aspirant/Repentia kit using the same base with different heads and weapons... with lots of sort-of-cadian-compatible leftover parts for those who want to make female guard?

That could be cool.

 jake wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
I would love to see more hair options, the bob cut is a bit outdated.

The standard hairstyle is part of their iconic canonical appearance. Theres a reason that literally every sister over has the same hair style. Changing it would be like changing their armor. So I doubt we'll see more hairstyles.

Thankfully for those that don't care for it (which is perfectly fine, of course) there's likely to be plenty of helmets.

Aren't the hairstyles supposed to be wigs and the sisters are all bald?

what? no

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Which Order was Killed off?

I don't have the books to confirm it, but IIRC it was Our Martyred Lady.

I could be wrong, though, and that they just took another round of massive crippling casualties (which is something that happens to them a lot anyway).

Hmm I know some of the Order fought on Cadia but escaped and some were killed on the voyage to Terra with RG, but not seen anything to say they were wiped out - might be one of the novels or codexes I don;t have though as I no longer get everything.

The Martyred Lady are the poster girls for the faction. They'll certainly be making an appearance. Sanctuary 101 couldn't kill them, Armageddon couldn't kill them, and neither could Cadia.

Apparently the Tyranid codex' galaxy map show a tendril bearing down on the Ophelia system which potentially would be a neat hook, but the sisters are too big and too decentralized to be wiped out by a devastating loss.

They also confirmed there are vastly more Sisters than there are Marines so that helps

 privateer4hire wrote:

 jake wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
I would love to see more hair options, the bob cut is a bit outdated.

The standard hairstyle is part of their iconic canonical appearance. Theres a reason that literally every sister over has the same hair style. Changing it would be like changing their armor. So I doubt we'll see more hairstyles.

Thankfully for those that don't care for it (which is perfectly fine, of course) there's likely to be plenty of helmets.

Aren't the hairstyles supposed to be wigs and the sisters are all bald?

I've heard that theory before. I have no idea if its based in canon, but it makes a lot of sense. Or rather, it makes sense that Sisters who can't naturally adopt that hairstyle (because of injuries, age, bionics, or even by preference) would wear wigs.


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 Mr Morden wrote:


They also confirmed there are vastly more Sisters than there are Marines so that helps

Sisters must be the second largest Imperial armed force by a pretty wide margin, right? Not anywhere as numerous as guard, but waaaaaaaay more numerous than Marines. It's easy to imagine that most Imperial citizens have never seen a Marine and might not even believe they exists, but have seen a Sororitas.

I wonder if Mechanicus forces are numerically larger than the Sororitas?

 jake wrote:
Sisters must be the second largest Imperial armed force by a pretty wide margin, right? Not anywhere as numerous as guard, but waaaaaaaay more numerous than Marines. It's easy to imagine that most Imperial citizens have never seen a Marine and might not even believe they exists, but have seen a Sororitas.

Imperial Navy are more numerous (but that's cheating ).
I expect both Sororitas and Skitarii to be extremely "rare" at galactic level. If you live in the right planet you will maybe have seen one but on most planet they are unheard of.

Actually theres a Sororitas monastery in most imperial planets so Jake is right, Sororitas (Sister of Battle, Hospitalier, Dialogous, etc...) are one of the biggest (In numbers) Imperial "military" organisations.

At long last. Now, can Eldar get new aspect warriors that were not sculpted in the 90s?

 Galas wrote:
Give me a organ-gun exorcist or give me death!

If I throw a metal hybrid Exorcist your way, you may get both at the same time.

This may actually be my only regret with a plastic update. After Dreadnoughts were turned into plastic models, the Exorcist is the last deadly weapon I carry around.

If I were being cynical I'd say that the sisters will only get a handful of kits.

A battle sisters box that contains one of each heavy weapon and one of each special weapon with it standing in as dominions and retributors and celestians depending on load out. This would mirror how the GSC neophytes are set up. There are other examples (and counter examples) for this kind of release, too.

I'm think it's possible that the Seraphim and Repentia might be a dual kit, relying on poses that look half running, half jumping. I think three infantry boxes is more likely though and these two are good candidates for separate boxes.

Then clamshell packs for the Dialogus, Hospitalier and Imigifier.

Vehicles wise I'd expect to see an entirely redesigned and plastic Exorcist. The immolator I think is already on par and instead gets packed with a new plastic canopy.

I imagine the cannoness will get a static body sprue with maybe a command sprue shared with the Seraphim/Battle sisters box. I'm basing this on how mono-pose a lot of the newer GW minis are. It's possible it'll be a entirely mono-pose clamshell figure and the armament options will be curtailed but I'd hope not.

Ignispacium wrote:
If I were being cynical I'd say that the sisters will only get a handful of kits.

A battle sisters box that contains one of each heavy weapon and one of each special weapon with it standing in as dominions and retributors and celestians depending on load out. This would mirror how the GSC neophytes are set up. There are other examples (and counter examples) for this kind of release, too.

I'm think it's possible that the Seraphim and Repentia might be a dual kit, relying on poses that look half running, half jumping. I think three infantry boxes is more likely though and these two are good candidates for separate boxes.

Then clamshell packs for the Dialogus, Hospitalier and Imigifier.

Vehicles wise I'd expect to see an entirely redesigned and plastic Exorcist. The immolator I think is already on par and instead gets packed with a new plastic canopy.

I imagine the cannoness will get a static body sprue with maybe a command sprue shared with the Seraphim/Battle sisters box. I'm basing this on how mono-pose a lot of the newer GW minis are. It's possible it'll be a entirely mono-pose clamshell figure and the armament options will be curtailed but I'd hope not.

You seriously think the Repentia, are going to go from clad in imodest rags, to wearing something that could just as easily be a full suit of power armour?

I can't for a minute believe they'd share a kit with any other sisters model.

Yeah it seems very unlikely.

More likely is, there will be two different kinds of Repentia that can be built out of the same kit.

Maybe have them wear robes like mentioned before and have the dual pack be noviates? /shrug.

If they are intent on dual packing everything, that is.