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Contents pic from Zombicide Fan Site

https://zombicide.eren-histarion.fr/zombicide-undead-or-alive/

Why bother debating ? It's a CMON Kickstarter. A Zombicide one. They will (again) explode the counter because CMON fanboyz.

Pretty much sure you can remove the "s" from "nuns with guns" here. I'd be more focused on the mexican survivor.

To me, that new box is certainly the easiest to use as a rebrand of the "classic" zombicide. It may be a western, but honestly it will be working pretty much the same than with a modern setting. I mean, in Black Plague, you can add magic and not use guns. Here...well, you will use guns like in a modern setting.

I guess we can expect refined rules with all the last erratas and such. Maybe a new unneeded mechanism to make it unique, but I don't expect a lot of effort from this. Even some zombie artwork for this western looks like redesigned zombies from the modern setting, honestly.

 ced1106 wrote:
> they just keep on giving me what I want.

Sounds good! Next question is if you want to pick up ZorA via KS or retail. With retail, you *might* get the base game at 1/2 the price you paid for the KS plus shipping. Myself, if the SG's for the KS are must-have, then I'll back it. Otherwise, I'm on the fence so will wait for retail.

Yeah, I picked up Zombicide Dark Side, Project Elite and Death May Die at retail because the Kickstarter exclusives didn't grab me.

Zombicide does really benefit from having the stretch goal survivors, but you really only need 5-10 more survivors. Anything else are just extras that never get used.

Going to wait for retail. Im tired of paying crazy shipping prices and then finding it at retail with SG's with free shipping at MM. I pay $70 for S&H and then find cheaper with KS exclusives and SG's. A great example is HATE.

Ernster wrote:
Going to wait for retail. Im tired of paying crazy shipping prices and then finding it at retail with SG's with free shipping at MM. I pay $70 for S&H and then find cheaper with KS exclusives and SG's. A great example is HATE.

I get it (I also bought Hate) but to be fair there were a fair few years between the project and it hitting retail. Are there other CMON projects that have hit retail with the stretch goals? Hate is the only one I know of.

I'm interested. curious to find out what they did to make this version unique.

here are some ideas for future zombicide cash grabs diesel Punk WWII Zombicide, Retro sci fi Zombicide a sillier version of there invasion zombicide with ray guns and a 1930's feel, and Prehistoric cavemen and dinosaurs zombicide.

@ Gallahad
BloodBorne is a pre order for $87.99. I do not know if it includes the SG's. The Expansions, the 2 of them so far, are $31.99.


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I was able to justify Pledging with the SG's as a bonus when Shipping was a decent price. However, in Ca an "ALL IN" is $70+


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I may Pledge $1 to determine the value as I have hoped for this Western theme.

Ernster wrote:
@ Gallahad
BloodBorne is a pre order for $87.99. I do not know if it includes the SG's. The Expansions, the 2 of them so far, are $31.99.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I was able to justify Pledging with the SG's as a bonus when Shipping was a decent price. However, in Ca an "ALL IN" is $70+


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I may Pledge $1 to determine the value as I have hoped for this Western theme.

Yeah, it all comes down to the extra content. Lately, much hasn't been worth the extra spend. You will probably be able to get the base game for this in a couple years from a retailer for 70$-80 USD shipped. So take the pledge cost plus their estimated shipping plus $15, subtract $80, and see if the stretch goals alone are worth that much.

I'm 95% confident that the Bloodborne game you get from retailers won't include the stretch goals.

I passed on several Ankh expansions because I knew I'd be able to get them cheaper later, and the extra content with them was trivial.

Hate is kind of unique for CMoN as it didn't have a retail box so it was kind of an all or nothing. It also didn't sell well during the Time Machine KS/Clearance when CMoN was shutting down their warehouse.

Now maybe some stuff from the leftover stuff also made it to MM. Will be interesting as there was still some Green Horde KS exclusive stuff that didn't sell out. People at the time thought that CMoN would just do another Time Machine like KSer in a few years with newer stuff mixed in with the old but that doesn't seam to be the case if they off loaded all of Hate.

Man, they really are making this hard for Shadows of Brimstone fans to resist too!

Ohh Hello Meg

Will watch and decide if buy at KS or retail.

These model renders certainly look good. Assuming that detail shows in the models. It could sway me.

I don’t think over here we get anything like these MM half price deals, with possibly stretches included etc.

> I don’t think over here we get anything like these MM half price deals, with possibly stretches included etc.

Sorry to hear that! Just to be clear, the deep discount holiday sales I've seen in the USA are almost always only for base games without the SG's. Many online stores have free shipping at $100, so it's not hard to reach it with a CMON game, even with a discount.

> Assuming that detail shows in the models. It could sway me.

Pledge $1 and check for VAT and shipping in the PM. Found some UK-based miniature companies, although they use resin / metal as casting material. So they could be more expensive per miniature, but have better details, and cost less for shipping and fees.

https://www.wildwestexodus.com/
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/
https://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/

EDIT: Also maybe : https://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=3&page=5

EDIT: Probably going to back for bulk purchase of western figures, 2D map boards, and, to a lesser extent, western zombies. I'm a fan of the Savage Worlds: Deadlands RPG, so these figures should be useful. For now, I can't find them at a bulk price, only individual figures.

I'm certainly looking for better hero models for Shadows of Brimstone and these certainly do look like they fit the bill. Ah well, what's another box of Zombicide to put next the others...

Gonna check the kickstarter at least.

These very much remind me of Hero Forge in style. That sort of Cartoon look.

And yeah Black Scorpion do some lovely miniatures.

Gameplay video

So the gimmick this time is the train? Outside of that seams like a normal zombiecide.

It wouldn't exactly be Zombicide if the wandered to far from the mechanics of Zombicide, would it?

New changes from gameplay video

- no more doors an action is no longer required to open a door you just enter a room at a breakpoint in a wall
- corpse piles in rooms become temporary spawn points on entering the room. Zombies will spawn in the spawn phase. The spawn point stays active until you deactivate it with holy water.
- if there are 7 active spawn points you auto lose. Scenarios also have normal spawn points.
- Faithful class can use regular water as holy water
- Abombination spawn point activates on drawing an abomb spawn card and stays active until abomb defeated
- no more noise tokens. Single bang token placed at last point of noise and zombies move towards the bang.
- boom token for dynamite takes precedence over bang token
- train arrives after a set number of rounds kills all zombies on track survivors will step out of the way
- the train is your exit point all survivors must board train within 3 rounds to exit
- objectives and challenges must be completed as well to win
- balconies - high ground can be accessed from a stairs or jumping, zombies can’t attack unless they climb stairs
- jump ability 1 action move up to 2 zones and up onto balconies
- bounty weapons - complete bounties to get better weapons eg kill 3 zombies with a rifle in a single turn
- Gatling gun can be moved 1 zone using 3 actions the longer you use it the more powerful it gets +1 die per turn
- no concentrated fire (invader rules)
- classes
- Gunslinger - 6 die with pistol but 5+ accuracy
- Brawler - 3 health instead of 2, can move 2 zones and melee attack as 1 action
- Faithful - can make all zombies in a zone lose their activation for 1 action.
- Townsfolk - search more than once line of sight not limited by room zones

Doors and noise tokens are big changes single bang token is certainly neater and can be used tactically to lure zombies.

Launch trailer

Thanks for the run down DaveC

Interesting that there are so many classes. I feel the simple two class structure of Zombicide Invader did add depth. With this many it seems it may limit party composition a bit. It basically looks like a faithful class is a must.

Hopefully they showcase the broad variety of faiths present in the old west and don't lean too heavily towards Roman Catholicism. I'd wager that Protestant varieties were much more prevalent in the area during the period.

I'm curious how you generate corpse piles.

Corpse piles are printed on the tiles they seem to be 1 per building rather than in each rooms. When you first enter a room with a corpse pile printed on it you place a spawn point token. Zombies don’t spawn immediately they spawn in the next zombie phase. The spawn point spawns new zombies every turn until it’s removed with holy water.

That’s my understanding of it from the gameplay video although they did make a some mistakes and don’t appear overly clear on the rules at some points. I don’t think they managed to get any water holy or otherwise in the gameplay video but I must admit to zoning out several times over the course of its 2 hours.

Last Train to Busan meets Zombicide meets Spaghetti Western...cautiously upbeat on this now.

 Sacredroach wrote:
Last Train to Busan meets Zombicide meets Spaghetti Western...cautiously upbeat on this now.

I agree. And your avatar. Cerebus is awesome.
And Dave Sim is a really cool dude.

Honestly a lot of those changes seam like an improvement to the core game.

I've never actually pledged on a Zombicide game before, but this one I might. I played the original and just didn't like it at all, and as far as minis go, it's usually a bunch of zombies that I don't want. But I am interested in getting a bunch of Western minis and to see if a refined game, now several years later, is more attractive.

I guess obligatory it's live link.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/zombicide-undead-or-alive

I'm going to have to wait and see as I don't have a huge love for western themed stuff but the game play changes here do have me interested as many of the things they streamlined were issues I have with greenhorde.

$1 for now.

Still waiting on delivery of Zombicide 2nd edition and Ankh.

I see the McFlys and the guys from Tombstone. The first stretch goal looks familiar, but I can’t place him. True Grit?

Price per sculpt in the core pledge is going to be amazing by the end of this. If you can live w/ CMON's plastic and typically flat designs, they sure are a good value.