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Yes. It's the CP thing. 1 Big boy = 3 CP, 3 Big boys = 6 CP. Armigers can be used now.

Holy crap, this changes EVERYTHING when it comes to my Knight army. I might take my Marines out and run an all Knight army now (though 3 CP for a second SH Detachment instead of 5 CP for a Battalion is a bit of a trade-off).

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yes. It's the CP thing. 1 Big boy = 3 CP, 3 Big boys = 6 CP. Armigers can be used now.

Okay, cool. I thought that was what it was!

Previously, you could only take three knights in a SHD to gain the +3 cp so Armigers didn't count towards that. Now though, you can take one big knight and two smaller to get the +3cp as normal or take three big guys and get +6cp instead.

They did mention on the FB page that a Forge World FAQ should be coming today so look out for that.

I’m still keeping my guard for screening

Wow, that's a huge boost to Armigers. I'm not sure what to think of it, honestly.

Helverins + a Knight just became a staple for soup, would be my guess.

Well then 14 cp before I start spending on warlord traits and heirlooms.

A big FW FAQ here, that has a Knight section:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/imperial_armour_index_forces_of_the_astra_militarum.pdf

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Holy crap, this changes EVERYTHING when it comes to my Knight army. I might take my Marines out and run an all Knight army now (though 3 CP for a second SH Detachment instead of 5 CP for a Battalion is a bit of a trade-off).

You are netting 1 additional CP.

If your first SHD had 3 big knights, you had +3 CP, add in Battalion for +5. Now you have +6 and +3. 9 is one more than 8(12 total with the 3 starting vs 11).

I was going to get Snarky about the Vulker FAQ question until I just went back and re-read it; with the Trigger of "when Resolving shooting attacks against the nearest Targeted enemy" I can see the misunderstood reading that lead to the question.

Jackers wrote:
A big FW FAQ here, that has a Knight section:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/imperial_armour_index_forces_of_the_astra_militarum.pdf

Lancer here we come!

Did anyone else find it funny that the autosacristin forge took a nerf in the FAQ

If it has to take one for the rest of the codex I'm good with that

 Cephalobeard wrote:

Jackers wrote:
A big FW FAQ here, that has a Knight section:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/imperial_armour_index_forces_of_the_astra_militarum.pdf

Lancer here we come!

Very happy that my Lancer can get an outing now. Combined with the CP changes, today is a good day for IKs.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Holy crap, this changes EVERYTHING when it comes to my Knight army. I might take my Marines out and run an all Knight army now (though 3 CP for a second SH Detachment instead of 5 CP for a Battalion is a bit of a trade-off).

You are netting 1 additional CP.

If your first SHD had 3 big knights, you had +3 CP, add in Battalion for +5. Now you have +6 and +3. 9 is one more than 8(12 total with the 3 starting vs 11).

I was going to get Snarky about the Vulker FAQ question until I just went back and re-read it; with the Trigger of "when Resolving shooting attacks against the nearest Targeted enemy" I can see the misunderstood reading that lead to the question.

Yeah, I have been up all night, so my math sucks. Now I need to figure out how to work this army to it's fullest. I am probably still better off with the Battalion instead of the second SHD for some objective claiming ability, but I do want to figure out a way to make my Knights work without them.

This update definitely makes me happy I bought a set of Helverins on the eBay sale yesterday. Now I just need to figure out how to fit two Helverins and a Knight in for 480 pts (it can't be done).

So this makes me want to take taranis now 2cp to revive a dead knight on a 4+ 1 more to reroll that and 1 more to make it top profile “FROM HELLS HEART I STAB AT THEE, FROM HELLS HEART I SPIT MY LAST BREATH AT THEE!”

Haha yeah i'm tossing between that and raven. Raven more competive but that trick is nice troll ability.

That trick means as long as you do not charge in your phase you get a 75% change of knight just shrugging if entire armies of firepower for 2-4 cp

gendoikari87 wrote:
So this makes me want to take taranis now 2cp to revive a dead knight on a 4+ 1 more to reroll that and 1 more to make it top profile “FROM HELLS HEART I STAB AT THEE, FROM HELLS HEART I SPIT MY LAST BREATH AT THEE!”

How I imagine your opponent's reaction.

Seriously, this update makes me so much more likely to do things like take the 3 CP Exalted Court and the 3 CP Heirlooms as well as add more Helverins into my army. The possibility of running two Gallants instead of one just went up for me.

Yeah the CP changes open up a lot for IK.

You can take 3 big knights and 3 littles now, and even do stuff like bring two different houses by going 1/2 and 2/1 big/little knights, which is pretty cool.

Well yes but 2-3 cp is expensive, at best 75% chance and d3 wounds left so if enemy has anything close they can charge and finish it. And always 1/6 chance you can't use strategem. 30% with dominatus class. Compared to other house strategem not that good. It's more of fun lol one for fun

Yep, big change for armigers.

My plan is to run a gallant, a paladin, and 2 warglaives alongside 2 Guard battalions and it comes out to an even 2000 pts with CP being generated by each detachment.

Operation House Terryn is a go.

Lancer, Gallant, 3 Armigers in a Detachment with 2 supporting guard battalions, I'm so excited.

Armiger change is very nice, but not exactly huge. A 1 titan/2 arm SHD is a lot more interesting and viable now and running pure knights is interesting with 4 knights and a pair, but fairly limiting in terms of how you outfit the Questors.

Great intelligent, impactful and exciting changes overall though. Doesn't cause me to rewrite my lists too much, but I'm excited for a little more CP to play with.

At 2k you can now have a detachment of 3 big knights and a second one of a big knight and 2 armigers. Total of 12 CPs.

Hope people haven't painted too many IG for their knights so far. Stop now.

So for example:

Warden with Ironstorm 426
Warden with Ironstorm 426
Warden with Stormspear 456

Gallant 354
Warglaive 164
Helverin 174

That's in no way difinitive, of course. You could have some crusaders in there if you went for more gallants, or fewer carapace weapons. You could certainly make the lance with the Gallant be from house Terryn, and the other one from any other house.

You can only have a Dominus knight if you go for loads of gallants, or if you put armigers in both detachments and forgo 3 CPs.

Mandragola wrote:
At 2k you can now have a detachment of 3 big knights and a second one of a big knight and 2 armigers. Total of 12 CPs.

Hope people haven't painted too many IG for their knights so far. Stop now.

So for example:

Warden with Ironstorm 426
Warden with Ironstorm 426
Warden with Stormspear 456

Gallant 354
Warglaive 164
Helverin 174

That's in no way difinitive, of course. You could have some crusaders in there if you went for more gallants, or fewer carapace weapons. You could certainly make the lance with the Gallant be from house Terryn, and the other one from any other house.

You can only have a Dominus knight if you go for loads of gallants, or if you put armigers in both detachments and forgo 3 CPs.

Definitely seems viable, and the decision between having 3 knights with relics and warlord traits vs 2 plus the guard CP battery seems like a real one now, which I like.

Well that is wonderful news to wake up to.

Mandragola wrote:
At 2k you can now have a detachment of 3 big knights and a second one of a big knight and 2 armigers. Total of 12 CPs.

Hope people haven't painted too many IG for their knights so far. Stop now.

.

For very competive ig still required for bodies, more cp and regeneration of cp. All knights still won't be super hot in competive enviromen'

Question: can I take a brb trait on knight 1 and use exalted court to give knight 2 a codex trait?

gendoikari87 wrote:
Question: can I take a brb trait on knight 1 and use exalted court to give knight 2 a codex trait?

Why couldn't you? The codex traits are available in addition to the big rulebook traits, not in spite of them.

Though it does make me want to put the Ignore Wounds trait on one of my Knights. It could be a fun time having a more survivable Knight

Imperial Knights can't use the BRB warlord traits, it is on the codex.

 Galas wrote:
Imperial Knights can't use the BRB warlord traits, it is on the codex.

Crap. I missed that rule. So much for my super Knight.