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Prestor Jon wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
I have never felt so seperated from my fellow Americans than I do right now. Sometimes, it feels like I live on Mars and they live on Venus.


Don't get too discouraged, this is just life in the age of the Internet. We have more connectivity than ever so we encounter more people than we otherwise would have. There are over 300 million people in the US and until very recently you'd really only interact with your local social and work networks and your family. While fundamentally we're all more similar than different there are plenty of variances superficially with viewpoints, biases and experiences. As they say ignorance is bliss, so with more information and more exposure to other people you find that there are a lot of people that don't agree with your own attitudes and world view. That's ok because there's still plenty that do and diversity of opinion isn't a bad thing. We're in a time where you can receive a constant stream of negativity and anxiety inducing news from the media and it it's not healthy. There's also plenty of good things/good people happening in the world every day and for the most part things are going fine. I'm not advocating burying our heads in the sand and pretending that everything is awesome but a shift in perspective can be healthy. There are plenty of improvements we need to make and injustices we need to correct but the majority of the people out there are good people that you'd likely get along with just fine who are living each day as best they can.


This. All day long.

It's just a shame that this increased inter-connectivity has also brought so much hostility with it.

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 djones520 wrote:
Wonder if my friends Soldier was one of these. A part of the 82nd, twice refused to jump, getting discharged and sent home to the Dominican Republic.

But that's racism now a days I guess.


I dont know a lot about the military, but for someone to be a part of the 82nd making jumps, you would have to finish basic training. Correct?
   
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 djones520 wrote:
Wonder if my friends Soldier was one of these. A part of the 82nd, twice refused to jump, getting discharged and sent home to the Dominican Republic.

But that's racism now a days I guess.


Well, the refusing to jump would be left out, because it doesn't help the narrative.

Why not just transfer him to a unit that doesn't jump? Like the 1st? Do they ask these guys if they are interested in jumping prior to their assignment?
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
I have never felt so seperated from my fellow Americans than I do right now. Sometimes, it feels like I live on Mars and they live on Venus.
That is very true in a sense; understand that the main block of Republican voters believe and act in a version of the country that does not exist. I don't mean this in a rule 1-violating insult fashion; that is literally true.


I think you're partially/mostly correct. All the Republican voters are living in the same objective reality that you and I are but we don't all perceive it the same. Unfortunately in an age of unprecedented information access our political polarization has led people to limit their knowledge instead of broadening it. Instead of exposing ourselves to more viewpoints and pull ideas from multiple sources we like to plant our flags in echo chambers that divide us into Right vs Wrong/Us vs Them. It's like Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, it's very worthwhile read but it's not a stand alone history book, it's a product of the social movement of the 1970s US generally and a rebuttal of the US history books used in public education at the time specifically. At the time history books in schools were weighted heavily towards the America is the bestest most amazing country narrative and Zinn saw the need to refute that narrative by writing about the terrible things the US has done in our history. There's good and bad in the US just like there's good and bad in everyone. We shouldn't focus on either one to the exclusion of the other we need to accept both and try to learn from both while building on the positives of the past in the present and future while mitigating/avoiding the negatives of the past in the present and future. Conservative and liberal ideology both have positives and negatives. We should be pulling the positives from both ideologies to try to create comprehensive solutions to our problems and not embracing one ideology (warts and all) to the exclusion of the other. Republicans and Democrats are becoming so entrenched in the their ideologies that they are perceiving the same reality very differently and are refusing to acknowledge that the other side has positive things to offer.


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 Dreadwinter wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Wonder if my friends Soldier was one of these. A part of the 82nd, twice refused to jump, getting discharged and sent home to the Dominican Republic.

But that's racism now a days I guess.


I dont know a lot about the military, but for someone to be a part of the 82nd making jumps, you would have to finish basic training. Correct?


Yes but to finish basic you would have to clear your background check. If your immigration status makes vetting you problematic enough that you can't get your clearance then the military will discharge you rather than keeping you enlisted without being able to pass your background check.

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So his buddies soldier is nowhere near where these guys are and his comment was pure trolling?

Ah yes, exactly what I thought.

Edit: Not his buddy

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 Xenomancers wrote:
We know the negligence that occurred - we also know that after the fact - the administration lied to the American people with a BS story to make the event seem random to cover their own butts.


To reiterate, Barack Obama was responsible for the Obama administration. Why aren't you holding him responsible?

The answer, again, is because you want to take a tragedy and manufacture a useful political scandal with it, and since he wasn't up for re-election, it was pointed elsewhere.

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 Dreadwinter wrote:
So his buddies soldier is nowhere near where these guys are and his comment was pure trolling?

Ah yes, exactly what I thought.

Edit: Not his buddy


So... where in there did it say they were all discharged out of basic? It said some where in the entry stages of their career. But hey, you keep those personal attacks up bro.

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 Ouze wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
We know the negligence that occurred - we also know that after the fact - the administration lied to the American people with a BS story to make the event seem random to cover their own butts.


To reiterate, Barack Obama was responsible for the Obama administration. Why aren't you holding him responsible?

The answer, again, is because you want to take a tragedy and manufacture a useful political scandal with it, and since he wasn't up for re-election, it was pointed elsewhere.


I don't think Xeno wants to manufacture useful scandal. I think his information sources absolutely do though. Important distinction.

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Prestor Jon wrote:
Unfortunately in an age of unprecedented information access our political polarization has led people to limit their knowledge instead of broadening it. Instead of exposing ourselves to more viewpoints and pull ideas from multiple sources we like to plant our flags in echo chambers that divide us into Right vs Wrong/Us vs Them.


A middle class or wealthy white American is on average going to vote the way that protects their interests against other classes of Americans even when they know what you do.
   
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 feeder wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
We know the negligence that occurred - we also know that after the fact - the administration lied to the American people with a BS story to make the event seem random to cover their own butts.


To reiterate, Barack Obama was responsible for the Obama administration. Why aren't you holding him responsible?

The answer, again, is because you want to take a tragedy and manufacture a useful political scandal with it, and since he wasn't up for re-election, it was pointed elsewhere.


I don't think Xeno wants to manufacture useful scandal. I think his information sources absolutely do though. Important distinction.


Sure. Lets rephrase "because you" as "because you want to believe those who".

I mean, Trey Gowdy tried his hardest for his longest and still couldn't bring it home, but we still somehow have people going to bat at it again anyway. Even after she lost the election! It's insane.

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 Ouze wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
We know the negligence that occurred - we also know that after the fact - the administration lied to the American people with a BS story to make the event seem random to cover their own butts.


To reiterate, Barack Obama was responsible for the Obama administration. Why aren't you holding him responsible?

The answer, again, is because you want to take a tragedy and manufacture a useful political scandal with it, and since he wasn't up for re-election, it was pointed elsewhere.


I don't think Xeno wants to manufacture useful scandal. I think his information sources absolutely do though. Important distinction.


Sure. Lets rephrase "because you" as "because you want to believe those who".

I mean, Trey Gowdy tried his hardest for his longest and still couldn't bring it home, but we still somehow have people going to bat at it again anyway. Even after she lost the election! It's insane.


Everyone but the truest of true believers know the current admin is an absolute disaster. So in order to reconcile that fact, I'd have to convince myself that the alternative would somehow be worse. It's not about want, it's about need at this point I think. The other option is admitting that my entire team has been lying to me for what, a decade or more?

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 feeder wrote:
The other option is admitting that my entire team has been lying to me for what, a decade or more?


Since Ford at least, but I'd want to say ike was the last President who was both mostly Honest and Republican. Nixon was crooked as a hens leg. Ford was honest, but not the brightest, and believed advisors who lied to him. Reagan was great, but not really honest. The less said about the Bushs the better.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
...the less said about the Bushs the better.


The best thing about Bush Sr. is he gave us Foreclosure of a Dream, which is hilarious considering what a alt-right hack MegaDave has become.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 feeder wrote:
The other option is admitting that my entire team has been lying to me for what, a decade or more?


Since Ford at least, but I'd want to say ike was the last President who was both mostly Honest and Republican. Nixon was crooked as a hens leg. Ford was honest, but not the brightest, and believed advisors who lied to him. Reagan was great, but not really honest. The less said about the Bushs the better.
The Ford - Carter debates were... weird.

Both sides giving ground and saying 'that's a good point, I'll have to work with that'.

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Honest Question: Does anyone believe that the travel ban made America safer?

Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?

Do we also think the new "tough" policy on illegal immigration will help with the illegal immigration problem?
   
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 AdeptSister wrote:
Honest Question: Does anyone believe that the travel ban made America safer?

Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?

Do we also think the new "tough" policy on illegal immigration will help with the illegal immigration problem?


It is a racist dog whistle to rile up the republican base and stroke the ego of the orangutan, it has literally done nothing for us

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 djones520 wrote:
 Dreadwinter wrote:
So his buddies soldier is nowhere near where these guys are and his comment was pure trolling?

Ah yes, exactly what I thought.

Edit: Not his buddy


So... where in there did it say they were all discharged out of basic? It said some where in the entry stages of their career. But hey, you keep those personal attacks up bro.


Stock said the service members she's heard from had been told the Defense Department had not managed to put them through extensive background checks, which include CIA, FBI and National Intelligence Agency screenings and counterintelligence interviews. Therefore, by default, they do not meet the background check requirement.


The Trump Administration added even more hurdles, creating a backlog within the Defense Department. Last fall, hundreds of recruits still in the enlistment process had their contracts canceled. A few months later, the military suspended MAVNI.



Every single case mentioned in the article they were discharged before Basic because the administration couldn't be bothered to conduct background checks.
   
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 AdeptSister wrote:
Honest Question: Does anyone believe that the travel ban made America safer?


No. At least over the last 10 years, more people have been killed by domestic terror/white supremacists. I'm of course also dubious of a muslim ban that purports to fight islamic fundamentalism but excludes our bros, Saudi Arabia.


Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?


Eh. I think it's impossible to say that.

Do we also think the new "tough" policy on illegal immigration will help with the illegal immigration problem?


There are lots of reasons for the ebb and flow of immigrants and refugees, mostly economic opportunity and violence rise and fall at the origin countries. I think it's really hard to break out whether or not this was an effective deterrent or not, unless you see some really extreme numbers will all else being more or less historically equal, and I doubt you will.

The right will claim it worked, the left will claim it didn't, and I don't think either will really know for sure.

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 Ouze wrote:


Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?


Eh. I think it's impossible to say that.


I would argue with my Psych 101 college course (I know everything now harhar) that the kind of person vulnerable to radicalization is no more or less vulnerable now than before the ban. The ban simply becomes a tool that can be thrown into a pile with all the other tools. Isolation, cultural awkwardness, and generational divide seem to be more significant factors in radicalization than any specific factor. Judging from prior cases that is. Most of them were people who had the kind of life troubles typical of people who go into sudden swings of violence.

I think their background shapes the target and means that the violence takes form more than their background encourages violence one way or the other. A radicalized Evangelical will firebomb abortion clinics, a white power racist will shoot up a black church, and a radicalized Muslim will drive a truck through crowded place or whatever the current "fad" of radial Jihadists happens to be at the moment. All of them were people who were already predisposed by their life circumstances toward that end. The radicalization simple guides where they end up.

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Or, if you prefer - if you're willing to pack a pressure cooker full of gunpowder or strap on a suicide vest over the travel ban, you were pretty much going to do that eventually anyway.

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 Ouze wrote:
Or, if you prefer - if you're willing to pack a pressure cooker full of gunpowder or strap on a suicide vest over the travel ban, you were pretty much going to do that eventually anyway.


Honestly I've always wondered what connections can be drawn between the various forms of extreme violence (serial killers, terrorists, dedicated gangsters). I feel like there might be common threads driving all forms of anti-social violence in the fringes of our world, but the instances are always viewed differently, studied in different ways, and in a lot of cases too poorly defined or few in number to form a sample series.

So I just have my musings

   
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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 feeder wrote:
The other option is admitting that my entire team has been lying to me for what, a decade or more?


Since Ford at least, but I'd want to say ike was the last President who was both mostly Honest and Republican. Nixon was crooked as a hens leg. Ford was honest, but not the brightest, and believed advisors who lied to him. Reagan was great, but not really honest. The less said about the Bushs the better.
I believe he means 'lying' in the sense of 'beyond the traditional politics' because lying has been part of politics as long as politics has existed. It's like the wealthy trying to parasitize as much money as possible, it just happens, only the naive expect anything else, and we just have to limit it as best we can. To that end I would say Reagan, in the sense that his administration and the GOP of the time made an honest go of running the country well; the amount of negotiation and honest compromise that went into the '86 tax cuts shows it (shocker, compromise worked out). It's somewhat arbitrary but I would put the turn of millennium as the point from where the GOP went from a party with a large dishonest streak to a party that wasn't even trying to represent Americans anymore. But even then it's been a gradient and I feel it's important to distinguish behavior from 10, 15, 20, etc years ago because just saying 'the GOP has been lying since Ford' oversimplifies things, unjustly demonizes periods where they just weren't that bad, and most importantly speaks entirely too well of what we have now. Remember that to put the GOP of the past on the same ground as the GOP of today also says the inverse; that the GOP of today is on the same ground as the GOP of the past. And that simply isn't true because what we have today is so, so much worse.

To use a health analogy; Any political party will have it's health problems, but the GOP has had a chronic disease steadily progressing over the decades with this administration being so bad they are on life support. The day is coming soon when Americans will pull the plug.

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 AdeptSister wrote:
Honest Question: Does anyone believe that the travel ban made America safer?

Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?

Do we also think the new "tough" policy on illegal immigration will help with the illegal immigration problem?



When it comes to the Muslim Ban, I cannot help to recall, that this was supposed to be a temporary travel ban.


A temporary Travel ban that would make America Safe, while the administration worked on comprehensive immigration reform.

A temporary travel ban that was to last for 120 days.


Those 120 days are looooong gone. Surely the administration has by now reformed the immigration process - making the travel ban irrelevant at this point.
Unless one is going to argue that work on immigration reform is, in some way, deeply dependent on travelers from the effected countries not entering the US.

Or one can accept that the Muslim Ban was simply pandering to the parts of his voter base that values such initiatives.




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 nels1031 wrote:


More like:

In other unfeeling bureaucracy...

Article seemed like an anecdotal puff piece. "Quitely discharging"? Really? Painting the story to be some malicious conspiracy right out of the gate. Everyone except the highest ranking generals/enlisted or genuine war heroes are "quietly discharged". What, are they supposed to have full court press conference whenever they let folks go for whatever myriad reason?

Crispy78 wrote:
Sorry, you're prepared to risk your life to serve this country, but you're a bit brown, so piss off.


I went through basic training with white folks who were born and raised in the USA and were kicked out or cycled back during training and a few were held in separate barracks after graduating basic and moving onto AIT(more advanced job skill training) because of background check irregularities. Even AIT, which was 24 weeks for my MOS(job skill), I saw naturalized citizens and "regular" citizens alike go through the entirety of the training and were reclassed to a different MOS because of failure to pass the requisite security clearances.

The article states that around 40 have been released. They then go on to mention 5000 are currently enrolled and 10000 currently serving. Isn't that like less than 1%? Seems about normal, maybe even on the low side for background check rejections. Not seeing the racism angle, myself.


I went through Basic and AIT in Ft. Benning, GA in 1993. Back then, there were people who got their start only to have background checks turn up something that DQ'd them leading to their discharge. There was one soldier in my unit that had served 3 years of his 6 year enlistment when his dirty laundry finally turned up. He was popped without hesitation. This isn't a race thing, and it isn't a new thing, Sometimes it takes time to get to the bottom of things when doing background checks.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Dreadwinter wrote:
So his buddies soldier is nowhere near where these guys are and his comment was pure trolling?

Ah yes, exactly what I thought.

Edit: Not his buddy


So... where in there did it say they were all discharged out of basic? It said some where in the entry stages of their career. But hey, you keep those personal attacks up bro.


But recently service members have had their basic training delayed, so they can't be naturalized.


Right there, chief. Read past the first paragraph.
   
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Simply amazing.


HE did not win the lawsuit filed by the DNC about Russian collusion - as it was a lawsuit aimed at the Trump Presidential Campaign and Roger Stone.

He did not WIN the lawsuit filed by the DNC about Russian collusion - as the judge dismissed the case on a technicality and made it explicit that she didn't rule on the matter itself....explicitly!.

He did not win the lawsuit filed by the DNC about Russian collusion - as it was filed by three individuals as individuals - one of which previously worked for the DNC. The other two were donors to the DNC.

He did not win the lawsuit filed by the DNC about Russian collusion - as it was about people being negatively impacted by release of the hacked DNC files.




President Trump is such a blatantly petty liar.


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Heh, nice one.


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Steelmage99 wrote:
 AdeptSister wrote:
Honest Question: Does anyone believe that the travel ban made America safer?

Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?

Do we also think the new "tough" policy on illegal immigration will help with the illegal immigration problem?



When it comes to the Muslim Ban, I cannot help to recall, that this was supposed to be a temporary travel ban.


A temporary Travel ban that would make America Safe, while the administration worked on comprehensive immigration reform.

A temporary travel ban that was to last for 120 days.


Those 120 days are looooong gone. Surely the administration has by now reformed the immigration process - making the travel ban irrelevant at this point.
Unless one is going to argue that work on immigration reform is, in some way, deeply dependent on travelers from the effected countries not entering the US.

Or one can accept that the Muslim Ban was simply pandering to the parts of his voter base that values such initiatives.




There aren't foreigner terrorist attacks to be safe from in the first place. To 'make the people safe from XYZ' they have to actually be threatened by XYZ. Trump could enact a policy to make the nation safe from killer gerbils with the same effect.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
Or, if you prefer - if you're willing to pack a pressure cooker full of gunpowder or strap on a suicide vest over the travel ban, you were pretty much going to do that eventually anyway.


Honestly I've always wondered what connections can be drawn between the various forms of extreme violence (serial killers, terrorists, dedicated gangsters). I feel like there might be common threads driving all forms of anti-social violence in the fringes of our world, but the instances are always viewed differently, studied in different ways, and in a lot of cases too poorly defined or few in number to form a sample series.

So I just have my musings


I’ve had pretty much the same thought for a while now; angry young men living in deprived areas with no prospects are always going to lash out at the world and/or trying to find a sense of belonging. Where you are in the world just changes which destructive path you choose.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Heh, nice one.


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Steelmage99 wrote:
 AdeptSister wrote:
Honest Question: Does anyone believe that the travel ban made America safer?

Because it feels like it would just increase the chance of another terrorist attack. Most of terrorist attacks (in America) are done by radicalized Americans. Wouldn't the ban just increase the chance of radicalization?

Do we also think the new "tough" policy on illegal immigration will help with the illegal immigration problem?



When it comes to the Muslim Ban, I cannot help to recall, that this was supposed to be a temporary travel ban.


A temporary Travel ban that would make America Safe, while the administration worked on comprehensive immigration reform.

A temporary travel ban that was to last for 120 days.


Those 120 days are looooong gone. Surely the administration has by now reformed the immigration process - making the travel ban irrelevant at this point.
Unless one is going to argue that work on immigration reform is, in some way, deeply dependent on travelers from the effected countries not entering the US.

Or one can accept that the Muslim Ban was simply pandering to the parts of his voter base that values such initiatives.




There aren't foreigner terrorist attacks to be safe from in the first place. To 'make the people safe from XYZ' they have to actually be threatened by XYZ. Trump could enact a policy to make the nation safe from killer gerbils with the same effect.


I have heavily doubted the travel ban. That being said, there definitely are some people that want to be terrorists. I'd have been significantly less skeptical if the ban included Saudi Arabia.
   
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To put the ban into the perspective of reality, none of the terrorist incidents on US soil have been committed by citizens of nations on the ban list. All of them have been committed by US citizens or by citizens of nations such as Saudi Arabia, which aren't on the banned list.

In short, if the ban had been in place 20 years ago, not one single incident of terrorism would have been prevented.

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