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 lolman1c wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
You talking about me because my entire post was focused on how I love this thread? I'm confused.

Not entirely but yes to a point. I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour.

I don't even really mention that, I more focused on GW and marketing but you gotta admit a rumour basically is pulled out of your ass even if it turns out to be true. There is no way any of us can confirm any of this is true untill something more official comes out. Really, we all latch onto rumours because they have things we want in them, it's why we focus on them rather than the other rumours. You even say yourself at the start:

"Source is weak but if you're as desperate as me for new Ork info you'll probably be willing to give this a watch. "

The source is weak... it basically right now is a schrodinger's rumour.... it could be made up, or it could be real... we can go into why it is and is not. That's the fun of this thread. It coukd have been pulled out of thin air by a troll to see how gullible people are, or it could be a real guy who heard knows the real deal. It's a mystery and i love that. So anyone who says it is and is not is both correct and wrong. I flip a lot in my post's because one day I'm feeling down and believe it's fake and one day i feel hopeful and hope it's real.


Wait... waiiiit.... waaaaaaaity justy a secondooo der mah boy!

" I haven't just pulled this info out of my rear end because it's stuff I'd like to see, then persuaded someone else to do a video on it. It's a legit rumour." - did you start this rumour?


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As for right now... i'm in a "Meh, don't care" mood as for if this is legit or not. I mean a NDA? What for? NDA for looking at the models? I get a NDA for beta testing a codex but the codex doesn't show you new kits and future content with an exsact month if all the data sheets are the same as the index.

Like if I had the ork codex right now under nda how would i know we are getting a new warboss if the weapons are the same as the old codex? The only thing in the codex is the looted vechiles but he doesn't know if gw will sell a kit for them. He even says they have lots of options, so does he have access to both the codex and kit now?

I wish I could be under NDA to walk into a room full of upcoming GW models and skim throuh the codex and get told about when the models are comming out atter the codex.

I genuinely don't have time to make up fake rumours and send them to people to make videos.

Take or leave it. As with any other rumour, it's unverified, could be true, could be garbage. I'm in two minds personally, the pessimist thinks we're just getting a bum basic release of codex + dice. The 'England won on penalties so anything is possible' dreamer me thinks it could all be true and wants the codex to release ASAP so we have some closure.

Re the NDA - let's say that the rumour is from someone who has seen the codex way, waaay in advance. They obviously have an NDA with consequences should they break it. The codex might have pics of new models in it, particularly if there's a new Ghazzy on the way.

I both believe and don't believe you.

Also, even if he saw the codex he wouldn't know the buggies would come out in September. Or does it say in the codex "buggies later on in September!" When we look at the logic behijd how someone could know so much in a company were half the staff don't know then it's a bit weird.

Or, it could be someome who works on the marketing team. Yah see, new theory from old theory.

 lolman1c wrote:
Or, it could be someome who works on the marketing team. Yah see, new theory from old theory.

Much more likely that it's someone in one of their warehouses if it's a leak a few months in advance. They would definitely know the release schedule.

 lolman1c wrote:

There is a lot of burna boyz in the trailer but no warboss to be seen. It's weird, every faction in the trailer shows off lots of units but when ever you see orks it's just boyz and burna boyz...

Kill Team has traditionally been focused on what amounts to a single squad of troops battling it out with the sergeants acting as the rough equivalent to HQ models. It isn't really the place for a Warboss or really anything bigger than a Nob, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions regarding whatever possibilities there might be for model releases.

 Strat_N8 wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

There is a lot of burna boyz in the trailer but no warboss to be seen. It's weird, every faction in the trailer shows off lots of units but when ever you see orks it's just boyz and burna boyz...

Kill Team has traditionally been focused on what amounts to a single squad of troops battling it out with the sergeants acting as the rough equivalent to HQ models. It isn't really the place for a Warboss or really anything bigger than a Nob, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions regarding whatever possibilities there might be for model releases.

haha, I was more just joking. And actually making some analyse to pass the time.


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Caederes wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
Or, it could be someome who works on the marketing team. Yah see, new theory from old theory.

Much more likely that it's someone in one of their warehouses if it's a leak a few months in advance. They would definitely know the release schedule.

that would make sense but then how would they know about the data sheet of the looted vehicle? I geuss if there was a kit he would know the rules from the box... but it's hard to believe someone would know both about rules and models.

 lolman1c wrote:
that would make sense but then how would they know about the data sheet of the looted vehicle? I geuss if there was a kit he would know the rules from the box... but it's hard to believe someone would know both about rules and models.

Maybe their warehouses have both models and codexes? If you have access to one why not other.

Maybe, but the models would be years in advance so they would probably be in a different place. We do know the codex ismorinted though because of them saying the IK codex was printed before the big FAQ. That tells us everything is ready months in advance (which we already knew but nice to get confirmation).

GW certainly has to produce stock in advance though I don't think its "months" for much of it. A month alone is a long time to leave a large block of money sitting in a warehouse doing nothing. Remember money invested into models can't even earn interest whilst its tied up so GW has a vested interest in having the storage time for a release as small as possible.

Now the master moulds are likely made in advance and then closer to the release date GW likely puts them into mass production slots to start generating stock for storage and then shipping with the intent that they can start shipping out to distributors as soon as possible.

Codex might be different as (far as I recall) they are not printed in house and thus are likely ordered well in advance to minimise how much potential time loss can happen (shipping delays etc..)


It's clear that for a standard release GW cn produce enough to launch new things in a fairly short span of time, probably down to weeks. I make this estimation because of how they did the Sigmar release; only having one extra week for such a big release tells me that they simply focused all excess production on Sigmar products over those two weeks (and time before of course).


As for the rumour posted earier that Genstealers wouldn't be out till next year I doubt that. GW has been very strong in pushing out 40K codex to get as much completed by summer as possible. I fully expect that we will go into the new year only waiting for Sisters of Battle and "possibly" Sisters of Silence (not sure what GW is doing with them yet and I was honestly surprised they were not rolled into the Custodes army).

I figure after a year of 40K we are due a year of Fantasy dominating the release schedule more so

Codex come from china. So anyone along that big chain of command can see and leak the info.

My partner says it would take about 1 week to a month for a new product to made and sent to shops depending on how much recourses they start with but it's likely all going to big storage first and then sent to little storage locations later on. Which means it actually might be unlikely even as a worker in the storage wont see the products until a week or 2 before release. In addition, from my own experience working in a similar palce so may be different, would only get product codes rather than names and images of the product.

 lolman1c wrote:
Honestly, did not know they had a stick bomb sack... i must have missed that on my sprues or used it for something else.

The Nobz kit.

The regular Boyz box has a stikkbomb sack too, and there are still a bunch of old Stikk Bommas metal bits floating around.


I heard a hot new rumor: The cargo ship with the Ork codexes sank. The shrinkwrap meant that quite a few were salvageable, and they've been sorting out which ones they can still sell as the collector's "nautical" edition with an authentic maritime smell for $89.95.

Storm boyz also come with a bunch of stick bomb parts.

Interesting. So......... any news yet? New rumours? Anything even slightly green?

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
The regular Boyz box has a stikkbomb sack too, and there are still a bunch of old Stikk Bommas metal bits floating around.


I heard a hot new rumor: The cargo ship with the Ork codexes sank. The shrinkwrap meant that quite a few were salvageable, and they've been sorting out which ones they can still sell as the collector's "nautical" edition with an authentic maritime smell for $89.95.

I'm a buyer, but I lose money on r/WallStreetBets

It's been a long while since any codex had a "big release". Marines got the primaris update, Nurgle got some love, Custodes got 3 kits, and everyone else got a scrap here or there at most. That means that it will be 7 months since anything major. I think we're due.

Has anyone else found it surprising that GW has never released a Squigoth model (of any size). It seems almost like a no-brainer choice that Ork players would buy in mass.

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's been a long while since any codex had a "big release". Marines got the primaris update, Nurgle got some love, Custodes got 3 kits, and everyone else got a scrap here or there at most. That means that it will be 7 months since anything major. I think we're due.

Has anyone else found it surprising that GW has never released a Squigoth model (of any size). It seems almost like a no-brainer choice that Ork players would buy in mass.

They haven't because FW sells two squiggoths. And one of them isn't even a totally unreasonable price.

I've got two resin Forge World squiggoths. I'd be super stoked if they came out with a plastic one.

The Forge World squiggoth is kind of disappointing. The sculpt is okay, but not amazing, and while it is big it's not that big, but it costs approximately a zillion dollars. (I'm talking about the regular squiggoth and not the Gargantuan Squiggoth.)

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I've got two resin Forge World squiggoths. I'd be super stoked if they came out with a plastic one.

The Forge World squiggoth is kind of disappointing. The sculpt is okay, but not amazing, and while it is big it's not that big, but it costs approximately a zillion dollars. (I'm talking about the regular squiggoth and not the Gargantuan Squiggoth.)

It's about £80 here and that's cheap for FW models of that size. But yes... if gw made a plastic one, sold it fo3 £50 then I'd buy 2. They made a gargant one and sold that for £100 then I'd go broke.

 lolman1c wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I've got two resin Forge World squiggoths. I'd be super stoked if they came out with a plastic one.

The Forge World squiggoth is kind of disappointing. The sculpt is okay, but not amazing, and while it is big it's not that big, but it costs approximately a zillion dollars. (I'm talking about the regular squiggoth and not the Gargantuan Squiggoth.)

It's about £80 here and that's cheap for FW models of that size. But yes... if gw made a plastic one, sold it fo3 £50 then I'd buy 2. They made a gargant one and sold that for £100 then I'd go broke.

I have mine packed away, I thought it was a decent bit smaller than some of my £100-£125 Forge World models, but I'm probably just remembering it wrong.

Part of the reason I was thinking it was too expensive was the extreme expense of running it as the main transport for an army of Snakebites, but I guess I'm not being fair with that because how many of a model will be used on the battlefield isn't the same thing as its size.

I'd buy at least one more squiggoth for £50, and maybe a couple more than that. Right now I still have one on sprue. I want to learn to get better with sculpting, and cut it up to make two squiggoths so that I have three total. I'm also trying to save for a gargantuan squiggoth, but I keep getting distracted by good deals on other things. Plus, it seems like every time I go to buy the gargantuan squiggoth it is sold out.

This release is going to make or break me for 8th, this is the last codex comingbout that I care about and if it’s as lacklustre as a lot of the 8th books, then I will be waiting out the ed until it has something I want, I am hopeful that it’s gonna be a good book though and have some good fluff in it.

 Formosa wrote:
This release is going to make or break me for 8th, this is the last codex comingbout that I care about and if it’s as lacklustre as a lot of the 8th books, then I will be waiting out the ed until it has something I want, I am hopeful that it’s gonna be a good book though and have some good fluff in it.

Same for a lot of people. Being down in the dirt for so long has changed our perspective of what is good or bad for orks... so a lot of people are expecting big and gw knows that. They even posted it was the most anticipated and asked for codex... every day for a year now I see people spamming their fb wall asking for orks. We had a huge waaagh campaign where lots of people sent letters and boyz to GW office. I honestly don't think gw hates orks... They're just plastic imaginary things... they couldn't care less about any of their models.... but you can see why people might think gw hates orks if they do not get anything. Seriously, if I was gw and all I had was a plastic Ghaz then I'd be crapping my pants right now at the backlash from a lot of ork players. I'd be quickly paying designers to make the hqs, etc....

But again, they're not because they think they have given the community a bunch of stuff to keep them happy... and they have... but not everyone plays imperium. Especially Ork players... we need recruitment! If Orks are going to stay as big as they are in the community then new players need an insensitive to buy orks over the likes of Space Marines. But right now new players who join GW for the firts time will buy our starter set and go "wait, where is my HQ?". They'll go to the store and ask "I want a warboss please and a big mek with a KFF" and they'll get the reply "Well we don't sell them here... you have to order them in, oh and the kff big mek doesn't exist unless you buy this £40 mega one". They'll go, "oh... well I geuss I'll just buy a mek and make a mek force... erm, how much is the big mek on warbike? Or the biker nobz?" And they'll be told "yeah, we don't sell them, and they're also going to vanish soon so don't bother making one". Then the player will go "So.... can I just get some normal bikers? I like mad max!" And the reply will be "I'd suggest you buy boyz... just buy lots and lots of boyz.... everything else sucks... you choice the wrong faction, buy £100 of boy!" Thrn the kid will finally go "I read online that Stormboyz were okay, you have them?" And the employee will say "yep! We have them! Then the kid will go "great! I'll have some!" Then the employee of GW will say "Good, but they only come in boxes of 5 and they only have a 6+ save and worth like 40pts so you need like 30 to be somewhat effective. That will be £93 for a single unit of 200pts". Then the kid will walk of of GW never to come back.

 lolman1c wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
This release is going to make or break me for 8th, this is the last codex comingbout that I care about and if it’s as lacklustre as a lot of the 8th books, then I will be waiting out the ed until it has something I want, I am hopeful that it’s gonna be a good book though and have some good fluff in it.

Same for a lot of people. Being down in the dirt for so long has changed our perspective of what is good or bad for orks... so a lot of people are expecting big and gw knows that. They even posted it was the most anticipated and asked for codex... every day for a year now I see people spamming their fb wall asking for orks. We had a huge waaagh campaign where lots of people sent letters and boyz to GW office. I honestly don't think gw hates orks... They're just plastic imaginary things... they couldn't care less about any of their models.... but you can see why people might think gw hates orks if they do not get anything. Seriously, if I was gw and all I had was a plastic Ghaz then I'd be crapping my pants right now at the backlash from a lot of ork players. I'd be quickly paying designers to make the hqs, etc....

But again, they're not because they think they have given the community a bunch of stuff to keep them happy... and they have... but not everyone plays imperium. Especially Ork players... we need recruitment! If Orks are going to stay as big as they are in the community then new players need an insensitive to buy orks over the likes of Space Marines. But right now new players who join GW for the firts time will buy our starter set and go "wait, where is my HQ?". They'll go to the store and ask "I want a warboss please and a big mek with a KFF" and they'll get the reply "Well we don't sell them here... you have to order them in, oh and the kff big mek doesn't exist unless you buy this £40 mega one". They'll go, "oh... well I geuss I'll just buy a mek and make a mek force... erm, how much is the big mek on warbike? Or the biker nobz?" And they'll be told "yeah, we don't sell them, and they're also going to vanish soon so don't bother making one". Then the player will go "So.... can I just get some normal bikers? I like mad max!" And the reply will be "I'd suggest you buy boyz... just buy lots and lots of boyz.... everything else sucks... you choice the wrong faction, buy £100 of boy!" Thrn the kid will finally go "I read online that Stormboyz were okay, you have them?" And the employee will say "yep! We have them! Then the kid will go "great! I'll have some!" Then the employee of GW will say "Good, but they only come in boxes of 5 and they only have a 6+ save and worth like 40pts so you need like 30 to be somewhat effective. That will be £93 for a single unit of 200pts". Then the kid will walk of of GW never to come back.

You just summarized my feelings on GW's market strategy for orkz perfectly.

Nothing we have is cost effective in terms of real $$. The best buy I can think of is just standard boyz because you get 9 Regular Boyz, 1 Nob and a Tankbusta. If you buy enough of them you have yourself a Nob Squad a Tankbusta Squad and 2-3 full strength Boyz Mobz. It would be so easy to sell the extra bitz to make things like Burna Boyz, Bustas, Kommandos and others as an additional sprue, not as an entire separate box.

All I want from this release is for the beautiful simplicity and conversion easiness of the basic Ork Boy model.

I've had fun over the years creating different troop types with nothing more than the Boy and a bitz box.

Basic Blood Axe Boy with Ogryn/ Gorkamorka Nob conversion.



Lootas with green stuff bush hats.



Hornless helmets were used to distinguish my Blood Axe Kommandos.



Horned helmets and shoulderpads for my Goff Skarboyz.



Green stuff berets and rockets from Robogear for my Blood Axe Tankbustas and all heads not previously used for the basic Ork Boy.




As long as I can be creative, I'll be happy.

 lolman1c wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's been a long while since any codex had a "big release". Marines got the primaris update, Nurgle got some love, Custodes got 3 kits, and everyone else got a scrap here or there at most. That means that it will be 7 months since anything major. I think we're due.

Has anyone else found it surprising that GW has never released a Squigoth model (of any size). It seems almost like a no-brainer choice that Ork players would buy in mass.

They haven't because FW sells two squiggoths. And one of them isn't even a totally unreasonable price.

FW also sold baneblades. Doesn't stop GW from doing it. Q is do they feel money is there? If yes they want plastic as it's more profitable for GW to sell plastic models than resin.

Rumours from a unknown source just come in from my end:

Gw is recalling all the ork models. And I mean all of them! New ones like trukks, Gorkanaut, dakkajets, etc... Okay, i know there is a lot of parody in this thread but I'm actually serious about this one! They are recalling them according to my source so this might suggest they're repackaging them. Doubt they would replace the whole army and I doubt they woukd limit the entire ork rnage to online only.

 lolman1c wrote:
Rumours from a unknown source just come in from my end:

Gw is recalling all the ork models. And I mean all of them! New ones like trukks, Gorkanaut, dakkajets, etc... Okay, i know there is a lot of parody in this thread but I'm actually serious about this one! They are recalling them according to my source so this might suggest they're repackaging them. Doubt they would replace the whole army and I doubt they woukd limit the entire ork rnage to online only.

Interesting if true, have they ever recalled an entire product line before? How long would a repack take, couple of months maybe?

I hope this is true and we receive the first official leaks of the codex fast. I'm tired of the enless refreshing on the rumours and community pages for ork news..

Should be easy enough to prove or disprove. Just go into your local store and as if they're being recalled.

yes indeed. Is anyone passing a FLG that want to spy on the ork boxes, and give us an update?

My source comes from someone who actually went to a gw store and was told this. I trust this person but, as I say, it's hard to trust me because you don't know me. But seriously, not trolling, this comes from a customer not a "my mates brothers girlfriends dads work friend who knows a guy in gw". Just a jormal dude who was in a gw store.