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w1zard wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Alternatively: Felicia, being a techpriest, has been trained extensively by her superiors that anything built outside of the STC is blasphemous, believes that incredibly mystic rituals to be necessary to perform what we the audience recognize as simple tasks, ans is steeped in a culture that encourages keeping others ignorant of the in-workings of technology to justify their own existence. Much more likely, Felicia is lying because she doesn't want to admit ork technology work (if roughly).

Except that interpretation of Felicia is probably incorrect due to her ability to repair the ork vehicles when they broke down, and her own willingness to modify STC technology to suit her. (she rigs a power lifter sentinel with a heavy flamer and a unique trigger mechanism).

It is also outright stated many times in other parts of the lore that ork technology stops working depending on the distance from large concentrations of orks.

Which is why I said "is lying" and not "is a brainwashed incompetent fool who wouldn't know a torque wench from a necron's donkey cave if it doesn't come from an STC". We still see she's a stickler for the rituals at the dam scene later down the line that likely would have gotten the caravan killed by the orks chasing them if Cain didn't blow a hole in it with the basilisk.

Ork psychic effect can't be that powerful that it could cause equipment to work when it couldn't possibly do so because other orks beliefs aren't similarly effected. Orks during the second war of Armageddon thought Yarrik's very look could kill, but clearly that didn't happen otherwise he wouldn't have needed to get the laser eye implant. Orks believe they never lose, yet get defeated pretty dang often.

Loving the updated thread title

Here, Oxford English Dictionary definition of "nob". It's slang for nobles. End of argument.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nob

I never really liked the "ork tec is magic fluff". I prefer to think of their stuff actually working, but using mechanisms and technology to simple or too advanced (kff) for imperial staff to comprehend. It might just require a proper bashing with a wrench in the right spot to work or something like that.

 xttz wrote:
Posted on another forum by someone who has made several correct predictions so far this year:

Gorkamorka is definitely coming but I don't know in what form. Expect more "a box set with the new ork models in a bundle with a one-off ruleset to use them with" than anything more serious.

so like the heretek knight game that no one i know plays.though i would still play a simple version of gorkamorka, we would probably get an article or 2 in white dwarf to add extra vehicles and maybe diggas or something if this rumor is true. i would still play it (admittedly i would like a simpler version of the game, i just dont have the time to spend more then a couple of hours for necromunda with vehicles)(i always wanted a gorkamorka that could easily upscale to have a whole apokalpse battle of roving motorcades)

To be fair, like Renegade the rules are just icing. The real cake would be getting a bunch of useful models for the same army at a heavy discount on the normal RRP.

Orks seriously have the one of the worst points for value model line... no wonder nobody buys them!
1 mek gun for than price! I woukd expect 3 or a min of 2 but 1!?

Don't get me started on kommandos and Stormboyz. I know we can convert them but a new player has no chance to play them... or they'll look at their value and points and then just go play marines or knights.

 xttz wrote:
To be fair, like Renegade the rules are just icing. The real cake would be getting a bunch of useful models for the same army at a heavy discount on the normal RRP.

For you perhaps, personally I'd much rather see them actually bring back an excellent game in its entirety than appropriate its name for some nonsense they got the intern to cook up over lunch that most folk will just bin as soon as they open the box of shiny models.

I'm torn... 1. I want the cheap ebay deals so happy fpr people to throw away box. 2. I WANT A GOOD ORK GAME!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Here, Oxford English Dictionary definition of "nob". It's slang for nobles. End of argument.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nob

And, for the sake of clarity the reason for the confusion.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/knob

Knowing the difference can be really important, especially for certain social occasions.

Okay.. this talk is getting too nerdy. We're getting dictionaries out now?! Come on! Test your might! On a 123 nobz means male genitalia on a 456 nobz means nobels. Or you both punch each other really hard until one of you gives up.

The dictionary is relevant as to whether or not "nob" is/was slang for noble.

However, the joke that GW was making is still very obvious.

Nobody where I live uses the slang knob or nob, so many years ago when I read the bit of GW fluff that "nob" was a corruption of the Imperial word noble I took it at face value. Then years later when I learned about the British slang term knob the double entendre was obvious. Knowing GW's sense of humor in the '80s and '90s and the football hooligans that Ork Kulture was originally bases on/making fun of I think it's fairly certain they were making a play on the genital slang/insult. The part about "nobles" I'd be willing to bet was always accompanied by a nod and a wink.

I don't even like football and I yell "You nob!" At people. It's just the British thing to do.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
The dictionary is relevant as to whether or not "nob" is/was slang for noble.

However, the joke that GW was making is still very obvious.

Nobody where I live uses the slang knob or nob, so many years ago when I read the bit of GW fluff that "nob" was a corruption of the Imperial word noble I took it at face value. Then years later when I learned about the British slang term knob the double entendre was obvious. Knowing GW's sense of humor in the '80s and '90s and the football hooligans that Ork Kulture was originally bases on/making fun of I think it's fairly certain they were making a play on the genital slang/insult. The part about "nobles" I'd be willing to bet was always accompanied by a nod and a wink.

Yeah, I agree. Both are correct.

The slang of nobs being short for nobles is definitely at least obselescent English, if not outright obselete, but it certainly was used in the past. So it is totally legitimate as the name for nobs. But I agree the pun was likely always there.

So, since we're well away from any actual rumours in this thread, how about some speculation? What do people think is likely to be in the release?

I'm fairly confident we will be getting new models, probably consisting of a mixture of new units and old ones.

Plastic characters seem likely, including special characters. There's a lot of speculation about a giant Ghazghkull and that does seem likely, but I'd expect a few others as well. Death Guard got eight different characters, so that is probably an upper bound, but at least a handful seems likely. A mega-armour warboss and a warboss, big mek and painboy on bikes would fill out the gaps in the range nicely. Any characters beyond that I would speculate are likely to be new named ones or at least really old ones who haven't been seen for several editions, so that their sales wouldn't be reduced by people who already have old models, plus GW seem really keen on new named characters at the moment. All of these are likely to be mono-pose, single build (with a weapon option and alternate head at best) kits, if recent releases are anything to go by. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they will do a new Zodgrod Wortsnagga or Old Zogwort model, since the snake bites are the only clan who don't have a special character at the moment.

I don't think they have ever done a release consisting of only characters, so some units are likely. If their usual pattern holds, I would expect about half and half new ones and old ones being updated. Existing units which would really benefit from updates are buggies, wartrakks (and wartrakk skorchas), deffkoptas and nob bikers. I suspect that they will want to make each one a dual-build kit with a new unit, which seems possible. Just swapping their weapons would be easy enough. At a guess, I would say some kind of artillery buggy, deffkoptas which provide a buff to nearby units and flash gitz on bikes.

Apart from that, it seems likely that there will be at least one kit which is entirely new. I'm going to guess that it will be a new infantry unit with two variants, probably slightly out of scale with any existing models. That suggests 'ard boyz / skar boyz to me. If it's a vehicle, it could be pretty much anything; a tank (either a looted russ or something like the old lungbursta), a battlefortress, a terrain piece, another flier, a giant squig, another big walker... the only thing I would feel confident in predicting is that it would be big. I'm going to guess on a battlefortress style tank, about twice the size of a battlewagon, with two build options, one a transport and the other a huge artillery piece.

Gah, Ive been antsy to see some Clan Rules already. I've just been painting up 120 Orks the last few weeks. Right now they look like Goffs, since I've left sections unpainted to add in Clan colors later.

I'm tempted to begin painting Death Skulls blue plates and warpaint, with another 60 orkz painted Bad Moons yellow and gold but I'm trying to hold out till the codex reveals... It drives my OCD insane because I like to properly plan out color schemes and variations.

 lolman1c wrote:
I don't even like football and I yell "You nob!" At people. It's just the British thing to do.

well there are some languages, like Polish for example, where you can offend someone by saying hello. One of MPs in our parlament, because he told the head of ruling party that "classic music is good for being calm".

By the way, a guy at my store that plays for like 30+ years told me that orc clans are based around british subcultures, like goffs are football fans, bloodax are right wingers, snakebites are welsh etc. You guys think that GW could add some more clans in the future, based on the new stuff that is happening right now?

Karol wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
I don't even like football and I yell "You nob!" At people. It's just the British thing to do.

well there are some languages, like Polish for example, where you can offend someone by saying hello. One of MPs in our parlament, because he told the head of ruling party that "classic music is good for being calm".

By the way, a guy at my store that plays for like 30+ years told me that orc clans are based around british subcultures, like goffs are football fans, bloodax are right wingers, snakebites are welsh etc. You guys think that GW could add some more clans in the future, based on the new stuff that is happening right now?

No! No new klans! It's not like a spaçe marine thing where you can just make one up. Orks lore is established that genetics determine what klan you are in. However, you can make new warbands fine.

Yeah they are based of different english people but not sure about the right wings... the blood axes are more based on a dads army kinda people. T4henones who join thr home guard and act like they're a professional military organisation during ww2. That's why they wear the ww2 uniforms.

Maybe this is whynso many people don't get orks and why modern gw doesn't really get the either. They've lost their 1980s Britishness... so only the ones who were brought up in that kinda culture get it.

As for being insulated. I ome from the Nirth of England. We're trained from birth to take insults as compliments.

 lolman1c wrote:
No! No new klans!

*Clans*
Ork Clans have always been with a "C"

 lolman1c wrote:


Yeah they are based of different english people but not sure about the right wings... the blood axes are more based on a dads army kinda people. T4henones who join thr home guard and act like they're a professional military organisation during ww2. That's why they wear the ww2 uniforms.

Maybe this is whynso many people don't get orks and why modern gw doesn't really get the either. They've lost their 1980s Britishness... so only the ones who were brought up in that kinda culture get it.

As for being insulated. I ome from the Nirth of England. We're trained from birth to take insults as compliments.

A guy at our store plays orcs since probablly the start of w40k, and he has official blood ax models wearing WWII german uniforms, having iron crosses, german helmets, and the officers for his jump pack units are clearly wearing what is an orc version of a WWII mechanised infantry parade uniforms.

I would like them to add more stuff to orcs, there is like half a milion poles in the UK right now, would be nice to get some polish orcs to represent. Orcs are already very popular in Poland, so it would be a win/win for some people. Like 1/5th of all Kromlech does is off brand orc stuff, and if you look at the stuff it clearly is visible what models were done for money, aka imperials, and what models were done out of love.

 grendel083 wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
No! No new klans!

*Clans*
Ork Clans have always been with a "C"

The dude above has been typing orcs for several posts now and you don't even bat an eye lid and i put klans because I personally choose to call them that and you complain?

And I'll have you know the ork players often use the word Klan for years.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ork_Klan_Creation_Tables

 lolman1c wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
No! No new klans!

*Clans*
Ork Clans have always been with a "C"

The dude above has been typing orcs for several posts now and you don't even bat an eye lid and i put klans because I personally choose to call them that and you complain?

And I'll have you know the ork players often use the word Klan for years.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ork_Klan_Creation_Tables

Clan with a K is always wrong.

GW have taken great care to avoid spelling with a K, due to association with a certain evil group in white pointy hoods.

An Ork player that uses a K, isn't a proper Ork player

I never said Orks use the letter K I just said I prefer to say it that way.

And who are you to say who is or isn't a real Ork player!? I own an Ork army hence I am a real ork plaher! And will continue to say Ork Klanz until the day I die! Which will be never!

As for the evil organisation thing... yeah I know that but honestly the more you associat something with something the more it becomes true (much like the orks thinking red makes you go fasta... the more they believe it the more it became true) so i refuse to believe they're related in any way. And will now continue to say Klanz for orks.

welp...

Its because these specialist games are way more important apparently

Lol love it, GW deserves the sassyness of the Ork fanbase, they've earnt it a few times over.

Meh, leave the poor GW facebook guy alone. He doesn't control the entire comoany.. his job is just to reflect criticism or he gets fired.

Btw... interesting screen shots from kill team might potentially express what we will get in our codex.



Not the most amount of options for Orks but after seeing every else we cannot complain. There is a Monty Python reference which is always a good sign. I might be wrong (blury photos) but are gretchin only 1 or 2 points? I doubt it as that means we would have 100 gretchins in a game of kill team. I think boyz get a kombi weapon. Not sure what kommandos get as it's hard to read but doesn't seem like much. Anyone else noticed anything major?

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Ork psychic effect can't be that powerful that it could cause equipment to work when it couldn't possibly do so because other orks beliefs aren't similarly effected. Orks during the second war of Armageddon thought Yarrik's very look could kill, but clearly that didn't happen otherwise he wouldn't have needed to get the laser eye implant. Orks believe they never lose, yet get defeated pretty dang often.

Orks believed that Yarrick's very look could kill, and when enough of them started believing it, it crossed a threshold and it actually happened (regardless of the reasons why it happened). That actually proves my point not disproves it.

Orks are aware they can "lose" and be killed...
"Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"

If a large enough group of them genuinely thought they were invulnerable with 100% certainly, it might actually make them invulnerable who knows? It has never happened before though, Orks are stupid but not deluded. I think the far more likely thing to happen though is that they would all just get significantly tougher and harder to kill.

Lootas for 12 points with free deffgun ?!?!

If Only.

*Prays To Mork*

Kill Team apparently has a might tighter points listing across the board so I'd not look at this as a sign of "whats to come"

That said I do agree that the delay on getting Orks and Space Wolves is a bit bleh, I just hope that their releases are something intreasting and not just "here's your codices"