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2020/12/29 09:14:52
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
I also liked how this was supposed to be a big time for Saru....but he gets the big emotional time with a hologram while Burnham get to talk to the real boy.
The changing of races was so Doug Jones and better emote.
The Tilly promotion makes less sense once you remember she is in engineering......
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2020/12/29 10:26:00
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
hotsauceman1 wrote: I also liked how this was supposed to be a big time for Saru....but he gets the big emotional time with a hologram while Burnham get to talk to the real boy.
The changing of races was so Doug Jones and better emote.
The Tilly promotion makes less sense once you remember she is in engineering......
Jones is definitely the best thing about the show. I love how even without makeup he acts like Saru.
2020/12/29 10:58:12
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
AduroT wrote: Ish? Worf was Captain of the Defiant quite often, but did not actually hold the Rank of Captain.
I think he means as the focus of a series. Pretty sure there've been non-human captains on other ships before.
Yeah, I could have sworn we saw a Bolian as captain of a Federation ship a long time ago, either in TNG or DS9 era.
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2020/12/30 17:26:01
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Pretty sure I recall the Bolian as well. There’s also the ship with the entire crew of Vulkans captained by Sisko’s rival. Secondly, I’d call a Worf as much a major character as Saru.
2020/12/30 19:47:31
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
AduroT wrote: Ish? Worf was Captain of the Defiant quite often, but did not actually hold the Rank of Captain.
I think he means as the focus of a series. Pretty sure there've been non-human captains on other ships before.
Yeah, I could have sworn we saw a Bolian as captain of a Federation ship a long time ago, either in TNG or DS9 era.
In the DS9 pilot, Sisko's serving under a Vulcan captain and Bolian first (?) officer during the Battle of Wolf 359, I think the Bolian takes over after the captain gets blowed up. In Season 8 (from What We Left Behind) Nog gets his own command as well.
Can anyone confirm that there is a Sisko TV show "in the works?" I found a few references on some websites I'd never heard of, but nothing official. My hope would be something like the Deadwood movie that came out last year, featuring the same creative team and cast, reuniting for a pretty good epilogue to the series. I'd hate to see Sisko get lumped into the same morass of post-Abrams/Kurtzman Trek that produced STPicard. They pretty much annulled DS9's contribution to Federation history. Not a mention of the Dominion War in the whole series. I don't think the Star Trek Industrial Complex would give Ira Steven Behr and friends as much creative control as they had during the initial run of the series. Anyone have a good sense of the inside baseball at Paramount HQ? And if you do, I've got a couple spec scripts I'd like to run by you...
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2020/12/30 20:10:42
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Oh, I think that would be awful. Given everything recent Trek has done, they'd use his half-Wormhole alien status to make him a fix for (or a cause of) Abrams movies/Disco/Picard plotholes.
I don't think DS9 needs to be tainted by another epilogue after this much time has passed since its wrap-up. The show itself handled it well enough.
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2020/12/31 10:29:46
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
AduroT wrote: Ish? Worf was Captain of the Defiant quite often, but did not actually hold the Rank of Captain.
I think he means as the focus of a series. Pretty sure there've been non-human captains on other ships before.
Yeah, I could have sworn we saw a Bolian as captain of a Federation ship a long time ago, either in TNG or DS9 era.
In the DS9 pilot, Sisko's serving under a Vulcan captain and Bolian first (?) officer during the Battle of Wolf 359, I think the Bolian takes over after the captain gets blowed up. In Season 8 (from What We Left Behind) Nog gets his own command as well.
Had not heard of that hypothetical season eight before. Looked it up and nope, don’t like it. Nog getting immediately killed off. Finding out Section 31 did it because he discovered their plans to kill the Prophets and wipe out religion, and that Bashir is in charge of said Section 31. Nope.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Who the hell designs a fire suppression system to suck all occupants into space? Not to mention the system requiring a sustained phaser beam fired directly onto the sensor for a good ten seconds before it activates.
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2020/12/31 13:03:09
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
The same person who doesn't put any breaker boxes onto starships and thus allows main power to blowback through keyboards. Seriously during an attack on the ship I suspect most of the burns crew get come from the freaking keyboards and control panels.
Heck they don't even have steatbelts on their chairs!
The lack of seat belts bothered me for a long time, but if you're moving at warp and the inertial dampeners fail, yer paint regardless, seat belt or no. Using that logic, I figure the way they shake and jump on the bridge is whatever force makes it past the dampeners.
EDIT: Oh I do see your point though - it's not about the deceleration from warp, it's about the ship shaking when it gets hit with a torpedo. Sure thing, seat belts would be appreciated then. I suppose the justification is that there are no seat belts on the bridge of a battleship/submarine, but I imagine they roll over less frequently.
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2021/01/01 01:08:25
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Don Qui Hotep wrote: The lack of seat belts bothered me for a long time, but if you're moving at warp and the inertial dampeners fail, yer paint regardless, seat belt or no. Using that logic, I figure the way they shake and jump on the bridge is whatever force makes it past the dampeners.
EDIT: Oh I do see your point though - it's not about the deceleration from warp, it's about the ship shaking when it gets hit with a torpedo. Sure thing, seat belts would be appreciated then. I suppose the justification is that there are no seat belts on the bridge of a battleship/submarine, but I imagine they roll over less frequently.
Exactly - when you see the ship in combat its REALLY not combat ready in the least.
Exploding panels should not happen unless the weapon used is causing electrical discharge to run all over the ship; being hit and sending crew flying every which way shouldn't happen either. Most bridge and crew injuries were avoidable - clearly no one taught Starfleet (nor any others) about health and safety.
Another interesting point is that all ships are built with the idea that gravity generation won't be broken. Granted this is more one of those budget constraints in the early series that became a theme that was never let go and its pretty common in most sci-fi. Even firefly on touched on it (mostly because they really were running on a shoestring budget too), but at least did touch on it. But even the designs don't really feature handles or other no or low gravity aids to move around the ship.
Seatbelts? Jem’Hadar ships didn’t even have Chairs! And there was the episode they found the crashed ship and the entire crew had been pasted into the nearest bulkhead because the inertial dampeners failed.
2021/01/01 08:30:14
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
I've learned to relax about the lack of seatbelts thing, mainly from reading the Expanse.
Seatbelts are fine for most of the acceleration changes that people are subjected to whilst driving cars, but in the event of bad things happening, you need additional measures such as airbags.
You do super deceleration, then all a seatbelt is going to do is make two (or three or five) lumps of meat get turned into salsa on the forward bulkhead instead of one big lump getting turned into salsa on the forward bulkhead.
Mind you, the forces that seem to be in play in Star Trek when the inertial dampeners have a hard time aren't the "splat" kind, more the "Oh, Vic... I've fallen" kind. So seatbelts would stop that stuff.
Dammit! I've just got irritated by the whole situation again!
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2021/01/01 13:16:59
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Kind of almost an interesting conflict, at what price peace? Would you make peace with slavers if they promised they'd try real hard to phase out slavery over the next 15 years?
Would a war really be better?
But then it turns into an action movie, and never really explains why Orisya had to hijack a ship to make a peace offer.
Ah well. It didn't make my eyes bleed and I can honestly call it the best episode of the year.
2021/01/02 11:04:45
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Yeah, ST: Die Hard not quite working so well. There were a lot of logical inconsistencies about various character's motivations. It also seemed a little too easy for Stamets to start convincing the other scientist he was on the wrong side.
I'm also struggling to explain the reason for Michael's decision with Stamets. They don't even have the ship yet but surely the best solution for Discovery would be to jump away from Starfleet HQ then scuttle Discovery if there was any danger to the Spore Drive. IT's also becoming more and more tiring to see Burnham start pointing out that everyone needs to be so selfless when her main character trait is that she always does whatever she wants and through the magic of bad writing it always turns out to be right.
2021/01/03 15:04:12
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
I quite enjoyed it. I don't really remember the specifics of Starship Mine, and it wasn't as good as Stargates 'Die Hard on Atlantis' episode, but I wouldn't call it a bad episode, at all.
I quite liked Ossyra being developed as the new Gul Dukat, and I enjoyed Stamets, "I believe you, she is more than she seems to be... But she is also exactly who she seems to be."
2021/01/03 16:25:21
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
I have a minor issue with Ossyra. Not the character herself - I don't think we really know enough yet to make a judgement there, though the last episode gave us some good pointers. No, my problem is with the make-up. Every time she's on screen I can't get the Wicked Witch from the Wizard of Oz out of my head. I'm not sure why but there's something about the tone of green they've used, and possibly the hair too, that makes it really difficult to take the character seriously.
2021/01/03 18:02:56
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
So that was layers and layers of what the hell? Let’s see...
Spoiler:
So Discovery can survive an at least 5 minute continual bombardment from a dozen other ships, take out the main shield generator of a space station, and suffer no real damage other than cosmetic internal explosions.
Just what the hell is our Trill ghost? I was ok with them being a hallucination of the host because that’s been a thing before, but apparently they can be detected by a computer and fully visualized and understood and capable of independent action and new experiences?
Why did we bother calling Navaro for help if you tell them to stand down immediately upon arrival because they were threatened with... pesticide? Like, I get that it’s toxic, but I’m going to spray pesticide on their air locks then shoot their air locks and the shrapnel will kill everyone just seems stupid. The Navarans served zero purpose.
Quick, emergency quarantine field! That still has access to a door...
Do turbolifts travel thru some kind of Tardis pocket dimension or when did Discovery get that much vast Vast VAST wide open wasted space inside of it? Forget rats living in your walls, Discovery could host a whole lost civilization between decks.
What was the point of the sphere data robots? They just kind of ran directly into enemy gun fire and got blown to bits without seemingly accomplishing anything other than a mild distraction. That’s a weird direction for them to take after being so insistent the data not be threatened last finale. And I guess one surviving in a magnetic field it’s not supposed to be able to survive in to pull a person to safety. Is all that huge knowledge now in a single repair drone?
The data core room. Don’t stand near the walls, they randomly shoot air or some kind of energy out or something? Also careful you don’t get sucked into that unshielded panel of... stuff right there. That room is quite hazardous for how unassuming it looks.
2021/01/07 15:54:10
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
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