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2024/07/06 05:57:31
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I'm more than mildly annoyed that S5 is the last season of Lower Decks but these numbnutz will greenlight something that looks gakky in the trailer like a whole freaking show based on S31 and inspired by a single performance from an actress that was cool for 1 season of a mediocre show about half a decade ago.
It's like they're trying to make Section 31 look like the Star Trek version of the Suicide Squad and not this morally bankrupt black ops group that is unofficially sanctioned by the Federation.
It was a cool thing to introduce in DS9 with Bashir and it popping up in Enterprise worked with the story of that episode but Discovery really beansed it and now we're stuck with the mess.
2024/07/28 02:50:58
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
31 doesn’t look Bad per say… But it Definitely doesn’t look like Star Trek. Not even remotely. It looks more like a Guardians of the Galaxy ripoff. Or one of the old Sci Fi channel space shows.
Lower Decks… Man I’m gonna miss it when it’s done. Been so good. I’ll have to try and keep an eye out for what this team does next.
SNW. Fun teaser. Standard kind of Star Trek problem and quite predictable where it was gonna end. Show ain’t Perfect, but it’s better than the one it spun off from.
2024/07/28 08:33:50
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Even though I'm still a big fan of the Picard series, I have to say that Lower Decks has been the most Star Trek thing that just feels so much like a wonderful mix of Original Series, TNG, DS9 and a shot of Voyager. Basically distilled classic Star Trek.
It feels like Trek written by fans of Trek who really get why and what worked in the classic scripts and just recreated it.
It doesn't feel like creators who had to tell their own story from the ground up or who wanted to write something else and had to use the ST logo to get funding or who are building it by committee of managers or such.
Why would the change to Vulcan change their haircut? How would it automatically bestow the effects of Kolinahr? Which one is going to get hit with Pon Farr?
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2024/07/29 09:36:30
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ahtman wrote: Why would the change to Vulcan change their haircut? How would it automatically bestow the effects of Kolinahr? Which one is going to get hit with Pon Farr?
2024/07/29 09:39:52
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ahtman wrote: Why would the change to Vulcan change their haircut? How would it automatically bestow the effects of Kolinahr? Which one is going to get hit with Pon Farr?
Why did Klingons sing in K-Pop* and not the more obvious, thematic and probably funny Klingon Opera?
*Or so I’m told. All I know is that scene didn’t work for me and that piece of music sucked.
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Ahtman wrote: Why would the change to Vulcan change their haircut? How would it automatically bestow the effects of Kolinahr? Which one is going to get hit with Pon Farr?
Why did Klingons sing in K-Pop* and not the more obvious, thematic and probably funny Klingon Opera?
*Or so I’m told. All I know is that scene didn’t work for me and that piece of music sucked.
I didn't like that episode and it was certainly just as questionable a choice. My guess to the Klingon question is "trying to be cool" and the DNA altering solution imbuing cultural elements that aren't genetic to be "lazy writing".
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2024/07/29 10:37:27
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
One thing I always find interesting about fantasy races in a LOT of sci-fi and fantasy is how one-dimensional we often have them presented as and how we reinforce that presentation.
Eg Klingons have Klingon Opera, therefore all musical displays should be Klingon Opera.
Meanwhile humans are often presented as the quintessential of diversity. Capable of having everything. Indeed often as not its presented as their primary strength that they don't excel in one area, but do everything.
Whilst in reality Klingons would likely have LOTS of different kinds of music; plus having been part of the Federation for a good few generations (on and off); they'd have had cultural influences as well. So sure perhaps Klingons have Klingon Opera, but they also really love "earth style 2000s era Kpop"
well, we know Klingons are big fans of Shakespeare and claim that their interpretation of his work is superior to the original (which is actually a historical referece to them being based on cold war russians) so they liking K-Pop and making their own versions of it is not something far off
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2024/07/29 10:45:35
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
It was just jarring. It was of course a Very Silly Episode, knew it was a Very Silly Episode, and thus should only be judged as a Very Silly Episode.
But that bit was the wrong sort of cringe to me,
Is there a reason Klingons wouldn’t have a wide range of musical tastes? Of course not. It’s just for me, K-Pop was a step well over the boundary, to the point it ruined the joke for me.
My preference would’ve been to play on the “what is happening” surprise. Think Monty Python and the Holy Grail, specifically Robin’s Minstrels. Where every time the Klingons go to speak, it’s a brief burst of operatic singing, followed by mild embarrassment.
But. Very Silly Episode is Very Silly so it’s not a deal breaker.
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Ahtman wrote: I don't care that it was K-pop I just don't like musicals, for the most parts.
Musicals are one of the more bizarre obsessions of the last decade that mostly seem like something the people making the material want to do moreso than anything the audience really desires.
I mean, Rocky Horror Show, Little Shop of Horrors and Repo! are musicals, as are the more twee and dare I say pedestrian ones. And stuff like Beetlejuice The Musical* and The Producers are their own thing in a much wider genre.
One could also say Guardians of the Galaxy, with its strong reliance on matching Songs From The Hit Parade to Scene Action, effectively, is one of its defining aspects.
So to write them all off in one stroke feels unfair.
*Let’s see if I can listen to this one without blubbering like I did in the theatre.
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Yeah, I think the genre matters more to me than whether a movie is a musical or not. I don’t have any desire to see some Dear Evan Hanson/Rent/Mean Girls/Color Putple types of musicals. But if you give me something with horror or Sci Fi elements, I’ll make some time.
There’s a Wicked movie coming out next year (I think), but the trailers almost seem to be playing down the musical aspect. I think the studios realize people aren’t into Musicals as a thing.
Ahtman wrote: I don't care that it was K-pop I just don't like musicals, for the most parts.
Musicals are one of the more bizarre obsessions of the last decade that mostly seem like something the people making the material want to do moreso than anything the audience really desires.
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Ahtman wrote: I don't care that it was K-pop I just don't like musicals, for the most parts.
Musicals are one of the more bizarre obsessions of the last decade that mostly seem like something the people making the material want to do moreso than anything the audience really desires.
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You know, now I must concede that I generally like this series and Hazbin Hotel was amazing and managed to win me over despite musicals really just not generally being my thing >.>
I mean, Rocky Horror Show, Little Shop of Horrors and Repo! are musicals, as are the more twee and dare I say pedestrian ones. And stuff like Beetlejuice The Musical* and The Producers are their own thing in a much wider genre.
One could also say Guardians of the Galaxy, with its strong reliance on matching Songs From The Hit Parade to Scene Action, effectively, is one of its defining aspects.
So to write them all off in one stroke feels unfair.
In no way is Guardians of the Galaxy a musical. Using popular music heavily in your movie or TV show doesn't make it a musical so I don't think it's relevant to bring it up.
My problem with pretty much every TV musical episode is they have no purpose or soul to them. Very occasionally the random bunch of actors on the show all happen to be good singers and it works as a piece of entertainment, but that's vanishingly rare. If you're going to make a musical episode it had better be an original score and actually progress the plot in some way, otherwise it just feels like self-indulgence.
Speaking of music, the S31 trailer feels especially odd to me because of the choice of what I assume is a modern popular song. It just seems really out of place in a ST setting.
2024/07/30 13:22:34
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ahtman wrote: I don't care that it was K-pop I just don't like musicals, for the most parts.
Musicals are one of the more bizarre obsessions of the last decade that mostly seem like something the people making the material want to do moreso than anything the audience really desires.
People love well done musicals, movie or broadway. It's the musical episode thing that went a little overboard but those seem to mostly be petering out. Granted some are fantastic (looking at you Flash and Psych musical episodes) either because they are done super well or are done with a broadway cast that happens to be doing a tv show. Some are dire and some are just fine. I enjoyed the SNW one and would have ranked it just below the upper tier of such things.
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2024/07/30 13:46:47
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ahtman wrote: I don't care that it was K-pop I just don't like musicals, for the most parts.
Musicals are one of the more bizarre obsessions of the last decade that mostly seem like something the people making the material want to do moreso than anything the audience really desires.
People love well done musicals, movie or broadway. It's the musical episode thing that went a little overboard but those seem to mostly be petering out. Granted some are fantastic (looking at you Flash and Psych musical episodes) either because they are done super well or are done with a broadway cast that happens to be doing a tv show. Some are dire and some are just fine. I enjoyed the SNW one and would have ranked it just below the upper tier of such things.
When the episode came out I was more specific that musical TV episodes are what I generally don't enjoy. I'm not angry I saw it but I wouldn't watch it again. Some of my favorite films are musicals, and plays hit different.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2024/07/30 14:02:35
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
