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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Communism and Nazism are not even remotely morally equal.

That's because the Nazis didn't kill half as many people as the Commies.

Communism is an economic system. Any people it killed are the result of implementation failures.

Nazism is a murder system. Any people it killed are by design, and fully intentional.

Using the same rationale you are going to use to prove that “Communism killed 20 million (or 100, or 2 gorillion)”, I can prove that liberal capitalism kills around 10 million or more a year.

Let's all just chill the F out here.

I've listened to some of this guy's youtube videos. He does in fact come off as a bit of a whiney complainer. That being said, some of his stuff is spot on.

Magic cards are crap quality compared to what they used to be. WOTC did ban people that didn't technically violate their TOS. Removing any kind of gender pronoun from Magic cards is a bit eyerolly. WOTC stating they want to monitor your social media does seem a bit 1984. Having Anita Sarkesian as a guest speaker at comicon was, at best, a questionable decision.

I really don't find him all that entertaining. I feel his videos could be cut down by 50% and be better for it. Yes, he is right leaning and some of the stuff he states is questionable.

The guy that attacked him is known for his leftist views, and wore a "Punch a Nazi" shirt. That tells you the mentality of this guy. Do I feel that Jeremy is hamming this up for attention, yes, definitely. I'm not taking his narration of what happened as gospel. It is obvious that something happened though, and short of Hambly physically starting the fight the other guy is in the wrong. PERIOD.

As for GenCon taking some kind of action, I am also torn. If this had happened at the location, or directly outside of it, then it would have been a no-brainer. It didn't happen there though. What they do know is they have an attendee (who apparently had a booth there according to some sources) who is open to starting physical violence with a pseudo-celebrity. If it were my event I'd make it well known that I gave that guy a VERY stern talking to, he's being watched, and that one stray fart will be enough to get them ejected.


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 Verviedi wrote:
[Communism is an economic system. Any people it killed are the result of implementation failures.
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I feel that that is true, however, I also feel that Communism has a limited means to ensure implementation. An inherent flaw in a system is responsible for it's own shortcomings.

I view many of the deaths by Communism the same way I feel about a guy that rents a leaky canoe without life vests to a group of non-swimmers. Did they only die because they couldn't bail it out fast enough? Technically, yes. Still the renter's fault though.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 skyth wrote:
Plus he's not above lying about things and telling his fans to harrass people and disrupt events.

Was he one of the guys who went around just asking questions about the Gamergate girls who received threats, wondering if they exaggerated or even made up the threats to play the victim? I remember that being a very popular mode of attack.

You and Yodhrin seem to both be left leaning. I have to ask, since you two seem to have different opinions on this matter, Is accepting someone's story expected, or are you a blind sheep? By your post, even questioning a story is wrong. By his opinion, not questioning it is wrong.

I'm willing to believe someone attacked him. I would like for the police to issue a statement.

However, I remember how the Gamergate girls received threats and vitriol and how many Dakka members came out solidly on the side of "they're making it up" and just wanted to comment on it because I bet those people are now solidly behind this Quartering guy while those who backed the GG girls are not likely to believe him.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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I'm willing to believe someone attacked him. I would like for the police to issue a statement.

However, I remember how the Gamergate girls received threats and vitriol and how many Dakka members came out solidly on the side of "they're making it up" and just wanted to comment on it because I bet those people are now solidly behind this Quartering guy while those who backed the GG girls are not likely to believe him.

I too would like a police statement. If Hambly is lying about stuff, I hope he gets his comeuppance and his youtube channel pays the price. As for the GamerGate thing, I was one of those people that was in the middle. I'm sure they did receive a good deal of harassment, but I also believe that (like Hambly) it was exaggerated, and in at least one case demonstrably false. The "fearing for my life so much I had to leave my home" started to crumble when it was revealed she left for a vacation she booked weeks in advance.

 Verviedi wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Communism and Nazism are not even remotely morally equal.

That's because the Nazis didn't kill half as many people as the Commies.

Communism is an economic system. Any people it killed are the result of implementation failures.

Nazism is a murder system. Any people it killed are by design, and fully intentional.

LOL, no. Communism is a totalitarian state, same as Nazism, except it murdered more people. I get that you're in love with Fat Kim, but you don't get to call Soviet and North Korean gulags and death camps and purges "implementation failures". If you're a Commie apologist, you're worse than a neo-Nazi, and I won't have any further part discussing anything with you. Buh-bye

Gotta say I'm with JohnHwangDD on this one.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Let's all just chill the F out here.

Nice dodge there, making ridiculous comparisons and demonstrating that you don't know what "fascism" means and then hiding behind "let's all chill the F out" when called on it.

Magic cards are crap quality compared to what they used to be. WOTC did ban people that didn't technically violate their TOS. Removing any kind of gender pronoun from Magic cards is a bit eyerolly. WOTC stating they want to monitor your social media does seem a bit 1984. Having Anita Sarkesian as a guest speaker at comicon was, at best, a questionable decision.

MTG cards are poor quality? It's funny, but from what I've heard the most recent set got great reviews and a lot of the old stuff was pretty bad. There might be a valid argument about product quality, but his videos aren't calm and rational discussion of game design principles.

WOTC banning people is not an issue. AFAIK all of the cases that were mentioned were clear TFG behavior and people trying to hide behind the technicality that the TOS didn't explicitly ban their TFG behavior. Zero sympathy there.

Removing gender pronouns is just basic writing clarity. Using "their" instead of the awkward "his or her" saves space and sounds a lot more natural. The only reason to use "his or her" is the popular misconception by elementary school writing teachers that they/their as singular pronouns for a person of unknown/unstated gender is incorrect, when in reality it's the normal way people speak with hundreds of years of precedent behind it. Any benefit to non-binary people who feel excluded by binary male/female pronouns is a nice side effect, but even if that wasn't an issue at all it would still be the right thing to do.

Monitoring social media sounds 1984ish, but what are we really talking about here? Watching for stuff like the facebook group (which got people banned) where TFGs were rating female pro tour players on how hot they were and sharing offensive memes? No problem there, disruptive people are still a concern even if they're only being disruptive and TFGish on social media. Trying to monitor and ban people for stuff that isn't TFG behavior or harmful to the game? Not ok, but I'd like to see some evidence that WOTC is doing this.

Won't disagree with you on Anita Sarkeesian. She gets way more hate than she deserves, but she isn't really saying anything new and there are better options.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
LOL, no. Communism is a totalitarian state, same as Nazism, except it murdered more people. I get that you're in love with Fat Kim, but you don't get to call Soviet and North Korean gulags and death camps and purges "implementation failures". If you're a Commie apologist, you're worse than a neo-Nazi, and I won't have any further part discussing anything with you. Buh-bye

Uh, no. That's just ignorance of history and what communism actually means.

Communism is a proposed economic system involving collective ownership of capital. Violence is not an inherent part of it, communists would be perfectly happy if it was implemented through democratic vote and passing the appropriate laws. Communists are open to violent revolution, but only in the same way that republicans fought revolutions against the monarchy. The murders under Stalinism are not an inherent part of communism. They are the result of a murderous dictator who just happened to be communist, much like anti-communist dictators have murdered their perceived enemies. A typical communist is not going to look at a successful communist society with no gulags or murders and say "you know what we need is some mass murder".

Nazism is an ideology specifically dedicated to genocide. Exterminating the lesser races is its primary goal, an inherent part of the ideology that can not be separated from it. In fact, it is such an important goal of Nazism that the Nazis continued to divert increasing amounts of resources towards their genocide efforts even as they were losing the war, accepting a greater chance of defeat if it meant getting to kill more people. A typical Nazi would look at a hypothetical Nazi state where genocide is not occurring, wonder WTF is wrong with them, and demand to have more murders.

If you can't tell the difference between the two and why Nazism is far worse then it's a sad comment on your lack of morality.

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Let's all just chill the F out here.

Nice dodge there, making ridiculous comparisons and demonstrating that you don't know what "fascism" means and then hiding behind "let's all chill the F out" when called on it.

MTG cards are poor quality? It's funny, but from what I've heard the most recent set got great reviews and a lot of the old stuff was pretty bad. There might be a valid argument about product quality, but his videos aren't calm and rational discussion of game design principles.

WOTC banning people is not an issue. AFAIK all of the cases that were mentioned were clear TFG behavior and people trying to hide behind the technicality that the TOS didn't explicitly ban their TFG behavior. Zero sympathy there.


Monitoring social media sounds 1984ish, but what are we really talking about here? Watching for stuff like the facebook group (which got people banned) where TFGs were rating female pro tour players on how hot they were and sharing offensive memes? No problem there, disruptive people are still a concern even if they're only being disruptive and TFGish on social media. Trying to monitor and ban people for stuff that isn't TFG behavior or harmful to the game? Not ok, but I'd like to see some evidence that WOTC is doing this.

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Okay, gunna take this by sections.

First, I know what "Fascism" means. I know it has MANY meanings. Do you? Here is a list of some of those meanings: 1. A person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area 2. Oppressive control. 3. political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood 4.Espousal of an idealist, vitalist, and voluntaristic philosophy, normally involving the attempt to realize a new modern, self-determined, and secular culture 5.a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong dictatorial control. I'd say that much of what Anita has done fits into these categories. Care to back up your claim that Hambly's followers are "Nazis"?


Magic cards: Yes, I was talking about the physical card itself, not the game mechanics. They aren't exactly produced well.

I also find it quite ironic that you support banning people for "TFG" behavior that doesn't violate TOS agreements, yet you have been quite animate that GenCon shouldn't take any action against Hamby's attacker.

When WOTC is looking out for TFG behavior on social media they have a double standard. One of their own employees and semi-prominent personalities recently started a social media group doing pretty much the same thing that landed others heavy-handed bans. Their response: nothing.


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 Peregrine wrote:
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If you can't tell the difference between the two and why Nazism is far worse then it's a sad comment on your lack of morality.

To make a movie parallel: Nazis are Freddy Kruger, Communism is Jason Vorhees.

Freddy has an agenda. He's out to kill specific people and wants them to suffer. He actively comes after you no matter where you are if you are on his radar. He literally gets off on being evil

Jason isn't necessarily evil per say. He's technically mentally handicapped, so him being "evil" might not even be a thought process for him. He really is only driven by delusional visions of his mother's rationales . He's perfectly happy to sit in his hillbilly shack and not hurt anyone if they don't come too close.


Personally, I'd rather not be around either, as they are both prone to violence, and in the end Jason has the higher body count per movie and wins when they battle each other.

I've got no time for the guy, but from watching some of his videos promoted by other YouTube channels during his ban from WoTC, he is whiney. But, he is spot on in some areas and issues.

But, what makes me more worried is how far some left leaning people have gone. As an example, I'm a libertarian that leans slightly left more than anything. But according to some in my FLGS I'm a far right supporter. WUT.

Also, violence is never right. Violence is the tool of oppression against other ideas or views.

 Dr. Mills wrote:


But, what makes me more worried is how far some left leaning people have gone. As an example, I'm a libertarian that leans slightly left more than anything. But according to some in my FLGS I'm a far right supporter. WUT.

Also, violence is never right. Violence is the tool of oppression against other ideas or views.

I have left leaning friends that have called me hard-core right. I look at them with a face. I literally asked one once " So, when exactly was I "hard right"? Was this when I supported gay marriage (before Clinton supported it)? Was this when I supported Trans-person rights? Was this when I supported certain EPA regulations? Was this when I disavowed wars (Literally any of them Kosovo onward)? Was this when I was doing volunteer work for disadvantaged inner city youth? How about when I said Bernie Sanders was a better candidate for Democrats?"

I'll admit that I do support right wing causes when it comes to guns, immigration, and some foreign policy. That makes me right of center. But they think that since I don't believe Palestinians are totally innocent victims and that The Young Turks aren't marvels of media that I'm one step away from alt-right.

 cuda1179 wrote:
First, I know what "Fascism" means. I know it has MANY meanings. Do you? Here is a list of some of those meanings: 1. A person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area 2. Oppressive control. 3. political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood 4.Espousal of an idealist, vitalist, and voluntaristic philosophy, normally involving the attempt to realize a new modern, self-determined, and secular culture 5.a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong dictatorial control. I'd say that much of what Anita has done fits into these categories.

That's a ridiculously broad definition, and I have no idea where point 4 is coming from. Actual fascism, as it existed as a political ideology and not just a label for anyone a person disagrees with, is right-wing and extreme nationalistic authoritarianism. The term for dictatorial control without the right-wing ideology and extreme nationalism is authoritarianism, not fascism.

And no, Anita Sarkeesian has not done anything that reasonably fits into those categories. She isn't a nationalist, she isn't advocating the use of state power to crush all opposition, and she isn't arguing for the need for a powerful state to defend against external threats. The closest you can come is singling out her statements about victimhood to fit one part of the definition. But those involve a less-powerful group being abused by a more powerful group, not the fascist standard of blaming society's decline on a scapegoat minority to justify the excesses of the dictatorship and direct the population's anger away from it.

Care to back up your claim that Hambly's followers are "Nazis"?

Not personally, but other people commented on his ties to 4chan's wannabe-Nazi sewer.

Magic cards: Yes, I was talking about the physical card itself, not the game mechanics. They aren't exactly produced well.

Shrug? They're cheap cardboard either way. I'm not sure what people are expecting here.

I also find it quite ironic that you support banning people for "TFG" behavior that doesn't violate TOS agreements, yet you have been quite animate that GenCon shouldn't take any action against Hamby's attacker.

I said no such thing. I said that Gencon is not obligated to take action and that their TOS does not cover a fight at a random bar somewhere else in the city. They are of course free to decide that the attacker is not welcome and kick him out.

When WOTC is looking out for TFG behavior on social media they have a double standard. One of their own employees and semi-prominent personalities recently started a social media group doing pretty much the same thing that landed others heavy-handed bans. Their response: nothing.

You'll have to provide some examples here.

 Peregrine wrote:


That's a ridiculously broad definition,


Shrug? They're cheap cardboard either way. I'm not sure what people are expecting here.


You'll have to provide some examples here.

I got some of those definitions from the Oxford Dictionary, so not "ridiculously broad". You might not like those definitions, but they are broadly accepted.

When it comes to the Card quality, I have moderately used cards bound with rubber bands I got in 2002 that look to be in better shape than some of the new decks coming strait out of the packaging. I feel there is a justification for feeling salty on this.

Travis Wu was banned for 1 year from ANY official gaming or tourneys and was stripped of $35000 in yearly accommodation for starting (but never contributing to) a PRIVATE facebook group called "Magic for Bad" where awful memes could be laughed at. This action was prompted by WotC employee (and spouse of prominent Magic pro player) Athena. Athena herself has now created a sub reddit for, and I quote, "gak posts". In her own words she was looking for the best and most offensive funny stuff. She hasn't posted anything herself, but then again neither did Travis Wu.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I got some of those definitions from the Oxford Dictionary, so not "ridiculously broad". You might not like those definitions, but they are broadly accepted.

Broadly accepted or not, they are not correct. The dictionary definition recognizes the common use of the term, as a synonym for authoritarianism, but the common use is incorrect. And #4 is just nonsense, "modern, self-determined, secular culture" is not what fascism is about at all. You need to remember that the dictionary is not a political science textbook. It exists to tell people what someone means when they say "my boss is a fascist", even if the use of the term in that context is inaccurate.

When it comes to the Card quality, I have moderately used cards bound with rubber bands I got in 2002 that look to be in better shape than some of the new decks coming strait out of the packaging. I feel there is a justification for feeling salty on this.

I'll have to trust you on that one since I haven't bought any MTG cards in a long time, but TBH it seems like a problem blown way out of proportion. Do these people complain that the edges of their cardboard board game tokens get scraped up with use? Perhaps this matters to the people who view MTG cards as a financial investment to make a profit from rather than a game to play, but as game pieces I don't see the big deal.

Travis Wu was banned for 1 year from ANY official gaming or tourneys and was stripped of $35000 in yearly accommodation for starting (but never contributing to) a PRIVATE facebook group called "Magic for Bad" where awful memes could be laughed at. This action was prompted by WotC employee (and spouse of prominent Magic pro player) Athena. Athena herself has now created a sub reddit for, and I quote, "gak posts". In her own words she was looking for the best and most offensive funny stuff. She hasn't posted anything herself, but then again neither did Travis Wu.

Travis Wu deserved his ban entirely, and should just be thankful that it wasn't a permanent one. I don't know what content the WOTC employee is posting/inviting, but if it's the same kind of stuff then I wouldn't have any sympathy if she got fired for it. There may be a point that WOTC is treating their own employees by a much more generous standard of behavior when they shouldn't be, but all of Hambly's whining about TFG getting banned for being TFG is nonsense.

I will give Hambly credit for calling WotC out on their rather intentional blind eye towards pedos and sex offenders running in their ranks. I'll even give him a break on sounding whiny on it. It really took a lot of pressure for them to do anything, let alone the right thing.

Capitalism caused millions of deaths. It is the comparison for communism, not fascism.

Indian and Irish famines under the British empire killed millions, and they were allowed to happen to maintain an ideal of free market capitalism.

That is not to say communism is good, I prefer capitalism moderated by social democratic politics. But there are some absolutely crappy arguments going on in this thread.

Also, more OT: Chat gak, get banged.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Man it kills me how stupid this gets. What that idiot wants has nothing to do with communism, particularly as she's been gifting off the social justice movement since she started.

But when it comes to getting hit at random, I will happily point out some folks are just roving offenses to human decency and never seem to realize that. This guy sounds like one, eventually they run into someone who doesn't care enough to not hit them. Particularly around drunk people.

I'd love to know the 'political belief' expressed that got him socked.

 Da Boss wrote:
Capitalism caused millions of deaths. It is the comparison for communism, not fascism.

Indian and Irish famines under the British empire killed millions, and they were allowed to happen to maintain an ideal of free market capitalism.

That is not to say communism is good, I prefer capitalism moderated by social democratic politics. But there are some absolutely crappy arguments going on in this thread.

Also, more OT: Chat gak, get banged.

Actually, there is a great deal of evidence that shows that capitalism is one of the greatest driving forces of peace on this planet. It has both stopped conflicts currently happening, and prevented them from starting. That private industry has produced more medical treatments and cures than government funding ever has.


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 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Man it kills me how stupid this gets. What that idiot wants has nothing to do with communism, particularly as she's been gifting off the social justice movement since she started.

But when it comes to getting hit at random, I will happily point out some folks are just roving offenses to human decency and never seem to realize that. This guy sounds like one, eventually they run into someone who doesn't care enough to not hit them. Particularly around drunk people.

I'd love to know the 'political belief' expressed that got him socked.

I'm guessing that belief was anything further to the right than what is supported by Bernie Sanders. Everyone today is "alt right" for having conservative ish views.

Is Jeremy a click-bait drama-spinner ? Undoubtedly, but with MTG sales sliding and OP event attendance collapsping it's all he and the majority of Magic YT sorts have left to do

Did he deserve to be attacked ? Of course not, but its not Gen-Con's problem, its a Police matter, but click click ka-ching

Guys, this is the internet equivalent of yellow press. You are like 50-60 years old ladies watching their TV programe about who marry what one.
Dont give this people atention.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Capitalism caused millions of deaths. It is the comparison for communism, not fascism.

Indian and Irish famines under the British empire killed millions, and they were allowed to happen to maintain an ideal of free market capitalism.

That is not to say communism is good, I prefer capitalism moderated by social democratic politics. But there are some absolutely crappy arguments going on in this thread.

Also, more OT: Chat gak, get banged.

Actually, there is a great deal of evidence that shows that capitalism is one of the greatest driving forces of peace on this planet. It has both stopped conflicts currently happening, and prevented them from starting. That private industry has produced more medical treatments and cures than government funding ever has.

I'm sorry, but great deal of evidence sounds like bollocks. There are two main theories why conflict is on the decline. There is the democratic peace thesis and the hegemonic stability theory (this being the most realistic in a sense). I have never heard about capitalism as one of the 'greatest' driving forces behind peace (because most attempt are terribly repackaged democratic peace theories that wilfully ignore WW1 and 2), while having spend considerable time in international security circles. Lets not forget that certain Central American countries had a population death toll percentually equal with Stalinism because of US supported death squads, that's also capitalism at work.

The medical treatment one is bollocks to, a review of patents between 1988 and 2005 in the US found that half came into being either because government funded or public efforts. Its basically 50-50 while private companies end up holding most of the patents driving up cost for profit. Its inefficient and costs lives, which is why the non branded medicine sector is so huge, basically ripping off expensive patents against US law is why 3/4ths of the world can get affordable medicine.

 Galas wrote:
Guys, this is the internet equivalent of yellow press. You are like 50-60 years old ladies watching their TV programe about who marry what one.
Dont give this people atention.

Too late. Just look at this thread--two pages, and we're already into Anita Sarkeesan being the Antichrist, fascism vs communism, the ethics of punching Nazis, a random axe being ground against WotC.....all from a bar fight that probably started from spilling someone's pint.

Welcome to 2018, when everything is all about the culture war.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
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The medical treatment one is bollocks to, a review of patents between 1988 and 2005 in the US found that half came into being either because government funded or public efforts..

Citations please?

 Elemental wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Guys, this is the internet equivalent of yellow press. You are like 50-60 years old ladies watching their TV programe about who marry what one.
Dont give this people atention.

Too late. Just look at this thread--two pages, and we're already into Anita Sarkeesan being the Antichrist, fascism vs communism, the ethics of punching Nazis, a random axe being ground against WotC.....all from a bar fight that probably started from spilling someone's pint.

Welcome to 2018, when everything is all about the culture war.

You would be surprised how easily this comment could have been transposed to the 90's. The topics slightly change, the 'culture war' has been an almost permanent concept in Western society since at least WW2.


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 cuda1179 wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
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The medical treatment one is bollocks to, a review of patents between 1988 and 2005 in the US found that half came into being either because government funded or public efforts..

Citations please?

Sorry;
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2009.0917

A lot of private work is done on the basis of earlier public efforts.

Looks like you are misquoting your own article a bit.

 Jihadin wrote:
Sounds like a compelling case to build a Thunderdome

That implies there ever isn't a case that could get solved by a Thunderdome.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Looks like you are misquoting your own article a bit.

How so, half of patents have their basis in the public sector and that's for a country with a large powerful pharmaceutical industry. With more funding why wouldn't the public sector be able to achieve the same effect?

We found that government support—through publicly funded research—had a large indirect impact on pharmaceutical innovation. The direct effect of government support—that is, cases where the government owns the patents outright or has claims on the intellectual property involved in the drugs’ development—is more limited, but still large for the most innovative drugs, those whose applications received priority review by the FDA.

Capitalist medical industry is in it for the money (because that is what the private sector does, that's not a judgement, just an observation), not helping us, helping us is where the publuc sector usually steps in.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Guys, this is the internet equivalent of yellow press. You are like 50-60 years old ladies watching their TV programe about who marry what one.
Dont give this people atention.

Too late. Just look at this thread--two pages, and we're already into Anita Sarkeesan being the Antichrist, fascism vs communism, the ethics of punching Nazis, a random axe being ground against WotC.....all from a bar fight that probably started from spilling someone's pint.

Welcome to 2018, when everything is all about the culture war.

You would be surprised how easily this comment could have been transposed to the 90's. The topics slightly change, the 'culture war' has been an almost permanent concept in Western society since at least WW2.

Of course, and maybe it was nastier in the past, but it's never been this omnipresent. I suppose in the past, it took some effort to get involved in a public confrontation, whereas now anyone can pile in on their lunch break.

 Elemental wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Guys, this is the internet equivalent of yellow press. You are like 50-60 years old ladies watching their TV programe about who marry what one.
Dont give this people atention.

Too late. Just look at this thread--two pages, and we're already into Anita Sarkeesan being the Antichrist, fascism vs communism, the ethics of punching Nazis, a random axe being ground against WotC.....all from a bar fight that probably started from spilling someone's pint.

Welcome to 2018, when everything is all about the culture war.

You would be surprised how easily this comment could have been transposed to the 90's. The topics slightly change, the 'culture war' has been an almost permanent concept in Western society since at least WW2.

Of course, and maybe it was nastier in the past, but it's never been this omnipresent. I suppose in the past, it took some effort to get involved in a public confrontation, whereas now anyone can pile in on their lunch break.

It only feels more omnipresent I think, because we move in these circles. If you go outside and ask people about this case 99% of them would give you a blank stare. Even things like the MeToo movement have some name recognition but beyond that most people offline can't tell you much more than the basics of Hollywood did something bad. Its the switch between niche and public topics. The internet only allows us to hear about it more easily, but that still depends on where you look on the internet.

John Oliver did an episode on sexual harrasement and how we basically went in full circle from the 90's to now. But a lot of these topics have done so.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Guys, this is the internet equivalent of yellow press. You are like 50-60 years old ladies watching their TV programe about who marry what one.
Dont give this people atention.

Too late. Just look at this thread--two pages, and we're already into Anita Sarkeesan being the Antichrist, fascism vs communism, the ethics of punching Nazis, a random axe being ground against WotC.....all from a bar fight that probably started from spilling someone's pint.

Welcome to 2018, when everything is all about the culture war.

You would be surprised how easily this comment could have been transposed to the 90's. The topics slightly change, the 'culture war' has been an almost permanent concept in Western society since at least WW2.

Of course, and maybe it was nastier in the past, but it's never been this omnipresent. I suppose in the past, it took some effort to get involved in a public confrontation, whereas now anyone can pile in on their lunch break.

It only feels more omnipresent I think, because we move in these circles. If you go outside and ask people about this case 99% of them would give you a blank stare. Even things like the MeToo movement have some name recognition but beyond that most people offline can't tell you much more than the basics of Hollywood did something bad. Its the switch between niche and public topics. The internet only allows us to hear about it more easily, but that still depends on where you look on the internet.

John Oliver did an episode on sexual harrasement and how we basically went in full circle from the 90's to now. But a lot of these topics have done so.

Gotta say I was disappointed in that episode of LWT, usually the humour is layered on top of or used to lighten up a genuine and well-researched piece of journalism, but the sexual harassment segment was pretty flippant and superficial.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Gotta say I was disappointed in that episode of LWT, usually the humour is layered on top of or used to lighten up a genuine and well-researched piece of journalism, but the sexual harassment segment was pretty flippant and superficial.

In part I agree, but I think the issue is that sexual harassment really is a topic that doesn't fit the format of the show. Its nothing new and I assume most of the audience already has a good idea of what it entails. I think the interview really showed that its just another rehash of a topic that has been around forever and doesn't really have 'new' angles, while the jokes felt a bit cringy given the context (I understand its still meant as amusement but he seemed to struggle). LWT works better with deep and less known discussions.

Its still good to show how we go in circles though.