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 Xenomancers wrote:
I am really excited. He is pretty old though - maybe even too old to be the captain of a ship.

Specifically from the video..

- There are no scripts written yet, so it could go anywhere.
- They're not sure what Jean Luc looks like now, it's been 20 years in universe since the last on screen adventure, and he's undoubtedly been changed. This might mean he's no longer a Star Fleet Captain, or, presumably, even a member of Star Fleet.

Mother of God. This could cure my depression. Please be good.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s why I suspect it may be set in The Academy.

After all, we’ve never followed a Captain much beyond that stage in their career.

Could also mean we see O’Brien now and again, as he accepted a teaching role in The Academy at the end of DS9. Wonder what new ways they’ll have him suffering :p

While that would be cool (a show about star-fleet academy) I don't suspect it would be a hit. Plus we have already seen Sir Patrick in that roll in X-Men as Xavier. I can see that leading to a lot of bad memes...

Second part is a fair point! Though Picard would of course be far more irascible than Xavier. Think more like Frazz, yelling at the Ferengi to get off his lawn.

Trek fans have hankered for an Academy Series since, well, the dawn of TNG. And it offers more original story telling than ‘the continuing, continuing adventures of the Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701M, thanks to Captain ‘clumsy’ O’Plywood really getting through them’.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I am really excited. He is pretty old though - maybe even too old to be the captain of a ship.

Specifically from the video..

- There are no scripts written yet, so it could go anywhere.
- They're not sure what Jean Luc looks like now, it's been 20 years in universe since the last on screen adventure, and he's undoubtedly been changed. This might mean he's no longer a Star Fleet Captain, or, presumably, even a member of Star Fleet.

Well if he is not in starfleet - it's not really startrek.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I am really excited. He is pretty old though - maybe even too old to be the captain of a ship.

Specifically from the video..

- There are no scripts written yet, so it could go anywhere.
- They're not sure what Jean Luc looks like now, it's been 20 years in universe since the last on screen adventure, and he's undoubtedly been changed. This might mean he's no longer a Star Fleet Captain, or, presumably, even a member of Star Fleet.

There are technically all kinds of possibilities, including genre mashups. What about a bearded Jean-Luc chillin' on some backwater planet with the local fauna...a Grizzly Adams in space?

Seriously though, I still expect some sort of recycled TNG for those Trek fans who have apparently been unsatisfied with any Trek that's come in the 20 years since.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s why I suspect it may be set in The Academy.

After all, we’ve never followed a Captain much beyond that stage in their career.

Could also mean we see O’Brien now and again, as he accepted a teaching role in The Academy at the end of DS9. Wonder what new ways they’ll have him suffering :p

While that would be cool (a show about star-fleet academy) I don't suspect it would be a hit. Plus we have already seen Sir Patrick in that roll in X-Men as Xavier. I can see that leading to a lot of bad memes...

Second part is a fair point! Though Picard would of course be far more irascible than Xavier. Think more like Frazz, yelling at the Ferengi to get off his lawn.

Trek fans have hankered for an Academy Series since, well, the dawn of TNG. And it offers more original story telling than ‘the continuing, continuing adventures of the Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701M, thanks to Captain ‘clumsy’ O’Plywood really getting through them’.

Have we? Personally I always cringed when people brought up the prospect of an Academy series, because if it sticks to form for American TV it would be an awful retread of the same "stories I tell my therapist" High School plots about inexplicable meanies and Popular Kids and angst. That fear is redoubled given Kurtzman's involvement in all this stuff.

 gorgon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
No good can come of this.

I hear you, but the zeitgeist right now -- especially among certain ages -- seems to be one of bottomless hunger for nostalgia. Recycling TNG seems tired as gak to me, but they could probably even recycle sets and stories from the old show and people would watch it.

But it is being run by the Discovery people. That's bad news.

 gorgon wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I am really excited. He is pretty old though - maybe even too old to be the captain of a ship.

Specifically from the video..

- There are no scripts written yet, so it could go anywhere.
- They're not sure what Jean Luc looks like now, it's been 20 years in universe since the last on screen adventure, and he's undoubtedly been changed. This might mean he's no longer a Star Fleet Captain, or, presumably, even a member of Star Fleet.

There are technically all kinds of possibilities, including genre mashups. What about a bearded Jean-Luc chillin' on some backwater planet with the local fauna...a Grizzly Adams in space?

Seriously though, I still expect some sort of recycled TNG for those Trek fans who have apparently been unsatisfied with any Trek that's come in the 20 years since.

What could be cool, and only could, is a Babylon 5 or Judge Dredd style ‘actions coming back to bite you decades later’ type thing.

We’ve seen a glimmer of it in TNG with the Stargazer and the Ferengi in The Battle.

Done well, that could be very interesting, and new dimension of Trek story telling.

 Frazzled wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
No good can come of this.

I hear you, but the zeitgeist right now -- especially among certain ages -- seems to be one of bottomless hunger for nostalgia. Recycling TNG seems tired as gak to me, but they could probably even recycle sets and stories from the old show and people would watch it.

But it is being run by the Discovery people. That's bad news.

Man - that is the worst possible news. Why would Sir Patrick even get involved with those ass clowns?

Oh shush.

Disco had a ropey start, but really came good.

Besides. All the best Sci-fi has a ropey start on television. Look at the self same TNG and it’s start, and what it became. DS9 too.

Voyage and Enterprise to some degree.

Babylon 5 massively.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh shush.

Disco had a ropey start, but really came good.

Besides. All the best Sci-fi has a ropey start on television. Look at the self same TNG and it’s start, and what it became. DS9 too.

Voyage and Enterprise to some degree.

Babylon 5 massively.

In your opinion maybe, everything I've seen and read about it has only made it seem more ridiculous and less like the kind of Trek I want to watch(ie, actual Trek, not a post-BSG-reboot "modern" sci-fi show with a "reimagined" Trek skinsuit). And I still maintain that the earlier seasons of DS9 were a lot more interesting than the latter ones with Captain Shouty McBaldhead and his warship the USS Shoot Everything First And What Are Questions Anyway. Besides which, Kurtzman isn't just involved in STD, his paws are all over Into Darkness as well.

Darkness sucked wet monkey balls

 Frazzled wrote:
Darkness sucked wet monkey balls

It felt like startrek to me. I enjoyed it. Then again I am a fan of the new timeline. The only real beef I have with them was the bad guy in "beyond" hes just a human? And his face returns to human form? That was dumb.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh shush.

Disco had a ropey start, but really came good.

Besides. All the best Sci-fi has a ropey start on television. Look at the self same TNG and it’s start, and what it became. DS9 too.

Voyage and Enterprise to some degree.

Babylon 5 massively.

Just the idea of discovery is stupid. It's like they have better tech in discovery than they do in DS9. Everything looks more advanced. They really got that wrong IMO. Plus...it has a lot of other stupid issues that I don't really want to discuss. A lot of people hate on Voyager but it's actually very enjoyable. Enterprise...Don't get me started. Disco and Enterprise are shows no one wanted - what do we want? An extension of the DS9/voyager content.

 Frazzled wrote:
Darkness sucked wet monkey balls

Are wet ones worse than dry?

Fraz is Tex Mex, so when he says "wet" he means "smothered in ranchero sauce and cheese." Benedict Cumberpatch must be the ranchero sauce because Quinto's "Khaaaaaaaan" was total cheese.

Cumberbatch was one of the most astonishingly bad casting decisions I've ever seen.

"Hmm. So we need a guy with passion, charisma and swagger. Is Cumberbatch available?"

I'm sure it was intentional, just because the actor was the perfect opposite of what you'd expect and it was Mystery Box JJ making the call. But JJ outsmarted himself, because it just didn't work.

Sadly the impact of that reveal was utterly spoiled by a tit on my FB feed.

Really?

For me the impact of that reveal was spoiled by the fact that it was so obvious you could see it coming from sometime around the first trailer.

Well I’ll never know, thanks to self same tit!

The rumor now on some trek sites is that the new series will not be a continuation of Prime trek but rather something more in line with the JJ verse and Disco. If true, that hope truly was fleeting. That might also explain why Patrick Stuart was stressing so early on that it would be a different Picard from the one we know.

I really hope whatever the new series is, it doesn't interfere with the post-Nemesis novel timeline. Last I checked, all the forthcoming Prime universe books were put on hold over some Discovery-related shenanigans. So, not only could the new show be bad, but it could prevent any good content squeezing out around the edges of the franchise.

Azreal13 wrote:Really?

For me the impact of that reveal was spoiled by the fact that it was so obvious you could see it coming from sometime around the first trailer.

Really? The trailer made me think that it was Gary Mitchell.

 warboss wrote:
The rumor now on some trek sites is that the new series will not be a continuation of Prime trek but rather something more in line with the JJ verse and Disco. If true, that hope truly was fleeting. That might also explain why Patrick Stuart was stressing so early on that it would be a different Picard from the one we know.

Aaaaaand there's the other shoe dropping like a ton of bricks. Of course. Of course they'd go alt-timeline or alt-universe or whatever, it seems like that's the only plot these burbling cretins know.

 Just Tony wrote:

Azreal13 wrote:Really?

For me the impact of that reveal was spoiled by the fact that it was so obvious you could see it coming from sometime around the first trailer.

Really? The trailer made me think that it was Gary Mitchell.

It's all good as long as neither of you thought for a second that he was playing a new character invented for the film.


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The rumor now on some trek sites is that the new series will not be a continuation of Prime trek but rather something more in line with the JJ verse and Disco. If true, that hope truly was fleeting. That might also explain why Patrick Stuart was stressing so early on that it would be a different Picard from the one we know.

Aaaaaand there's the other shoe dropping like a ton of bricks. Of course. Of course they'd go alt-timeline or alt-universe or whatever, it seems like that's the only plot these burbling cretins know.

I'd be much happier with them dumping this stool into a timeline we can all ignore rather than doing to Picard what Disney did to Han, Luke and Leia.

Part of me is thrilled, and another part of me is filled with nothing but dread. Whatever this ends up becoming is a ways off though, so i'm not going to put too much thought into it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The rumor now on some trek sites is that the new series will not be a continuation of Prime trek but rather something more in line with the JJ verse and Disco. If true, that hope truly was fleeting. That might also explain why Patrick Stuart was stressing so early on that it would be a different Picard from the one we know.

Aaaaaand there's the other shoe dropping like a ton of bricks. Of course. Of course they'd go alt-timeline or alt-universe or whatever, it seems like that's the only plot these burbling cretins know.

Not the shoe, just rumours.

The man himself said no scripts are written at the moment. Doesn’t sound like there’s much firmed up at all.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The rumor now on some trek sites is that the new series will not be a continuation of Prime trek but rather something more in line with the JJ verse and Disco. If true, that hope truly was fleeting. That might also explain why Patrick Stuart was stressing so early on that it would be a different Picard from the one we know.

Aaaaaand there's the other shoe dropping like a ton of bricks. Of course. Of course they'd go alt-timeline or alt-universe or whatever, it seems like that's the only plot these burbling cretins know.

Not the shoe, just rumours.

The man himself said no scripts are written at the moment. Doesn’t sound like there’s much firmed up at all.

Do we have to start with this in here as well as N&R? Yes, of course it's just rumours, because it is early in the production. We discuss based on the rumours we have, if they rumours change the discussion changes, right now the rumour is the one above and so that's what I comment on.

Yeah, but you didn’t comment on rumors, you embraced them as fact and insulted the people making the show based on them.

 Jadenim wrote:
Betting on Stewart doing narration/flashback bookends for a “young Picard” (a la Young Sheldon, from the 5-minutes I’ve seen of that show).

Played by Tom Hardy!

 AduroT wrote:
Yeah, but you didn’t comment on rumors, you embraced them as fact and insulted the people making the show based on them.

Because the rumours are entirely in keeping with the expectation established by said people's prior work and reputation.

If someone's been to prison half a dozen times for stealing and you hear that they've been caught by the police a seventh time, are you surprised and/or particularly inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt? Kurtzman worked on Into Darkness, a gakky 9/11 conspiracy allegory with bits of Star Trek crudely stitched to it and some genuinely terribad casting decisions, both of which can be partially laid at his door since he was credited as both writer and EP, and the rest of the creative team that will be behind this are the people who worked on STD my feelings on which are well known. When someone tells me that collection of brain-geniuses is going back to the only wells they've ever drunk from - using "alt-something" as an excuse for trampling all over the established setting, and Johnsonesque "subversion" - there's about as much reason to doubt that rumour as there is to doubt the news that the six-time thief has been arrested for the seventh time.