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 Kalashnichris wrote:
Any confirmation on the primaris stuff being regular kits with just a wolf upgrade sprue? Just looking to get that half to bolster my regular primaris army. I'd probably paint up the leader for fun.

Pretty sure they called it out as such at the start.

Thanks. I must have missed that. I figured the troops where because of the grenade launcher on the one model.

 Kalashnichris wrote:
Any confirmation on the primaris stuff being regular kits with just a wolf upgrade sprue? Just looking to get that half to bolster my regular primaris army. I'd probably paint up the leader for fun.

Yeah, they've outright said as much, and hinted that even for non space wolf players it's a great way to expand your primaris Army.

Awesome. I'm just a dummy and missed it..

Justyn wrote:

Suppose it depends, if you for example where inclined to just run a Lt with a Power Axe and bolt gun anyway it might be, keep in mind you also get a second attack with a Primaris Lt.

WGBL and Primaris LT both currently have 4 attacks. The WGBL also has Frag and Krak which the Primaris does not at least from what I see.

Well, the Primaris Lieutenants in Index Imperium 1 & Codex: SM both feature Frag & Krak grenades, so it'd be odd for the SW version not to.

I'd be stoked if the options for Primaris Lieutenants opened up Power Axes after this. But I also wouldn't be too bothered if it was a 'Space Wolf Only' thing, either.

Seems like every Lieutenant comes along and opens up a new weapon option for Primaris Sergeants from before...

...which I'm sure someone sees as a sign of the end times for the OldMarines being phased out.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'd be stoked if the options for Primaris Lieutenants opened up Power Axes after this. But I also wouldn't be too bothered if it was a 'Space Wolf Only' thing, either.

Seems like every Lieutenant comes along and opens up a new weapon option for Primaris Sergeants from before...

...which I'm sure someone sees as a sign of the end times for the OldMarines being phased out.

THE END IS NEIGH! REPENT ALL YOU SINNERS AND MAIL YOUR OLD MARINES TO ME!


people who think Old Marines are going anywhere need to consider that the space marine kits are not very old. The bsic Tac Squad kit was released with codex space marines 6th edition, and is thus only 5 years old (introdued in 2013) the assault marine and vestator squad kits are even newer, being only 3 years old, (released in 2015 with the 7th edition Marine Dex) Meanwhile they've also released betrayal at calath with the MK IV space marines, which was late 2015 and Burning of prosperio about a year later. which added MK 3 space Marines.

so yeah given that we've 20 year old kits, why anyone would assume brand new tac squads are going aywhere anytime soon...

"THE END IS NEIGH!"

Further proof that Mr Ed was a Horseman of the Apocalypse, BrianDavion?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'd be stoked if the options for Primaris Lieutenants opened up Power Axes after this.

But they don't make any minis with axes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'd be stoked if the options for Primaris Lieutenants opened up Power Axes after this.

But they don't make any minis with axes.

They do now.

Previous "special" Primaris Lieutenants and Shop-Birthday Primaris Captains unlocked new options as the models came out.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'd be stoked if the options for Primaris Lieutenants opened up Power Axes after this.

But they don't make any minis with axes.

They do now.

Previous "special" Primaris Lieutenants and Shop-Birthday Primaris Captains unlocked new options as the models came out.

Spoiler:

do blood angels and vanilla marines get plasma pistol options for their Leuitenants or is that JUST a dark angel thing?

Sunny Side Up wrote:
They do now.

Previous "special" Primaris Lieutenants and Shop-Birthday Primaris Captains unlocked new options as the models came out.

Did it though? Can regular Lieutenants take Plasma Pistols, or only the Dark Angel one?

BrianDavion wrote:
people who think Old Marines are going anywhere need to consider that the space marine kits are not very old. The bsic Tac Squad kit was released with codex space marines 6th edition, and is thus only 5 years old (introdued in 2013) the assault marine and vestator squad kits are even newer, being only 3 years old, (released in 2015 with the 7th edition Marine Dex) Meanwhile they've also released betrayal at calath with the MK IV space marines, which was late 2015 and Burning of prosperio about a year later. which added MK 3 space Marines.

Being perfectly honest, I don't see "Regular Astartes" going away, either. I don't think it will be "Primaris replacing them" at all. I do have a weird and outlandish theory, but a few people agree so it can't be that crazy.

I think over time we will see the two lines slowly phased together. There won't be any "Primaris", they'll all just be different variations of Space Marines and things like Intercessors, Hellblasters, and Reivers will just be another 'squad type' rather than an entirely different type of Space Marine altogether.

Regular bolters will become bolt carbines, so you'd still be able to use them from your old kits. All the heads and shoulder pads are still interchangeable. A lot of parts are just easy to swap out and move around at will, so it's not like they're COMPLETELY incompatible as it is. I've not tested out making "Truescale" marines with any Primaris stuff and original Astartes, just a few head and hand swaps here and there, some shoulder pads obviously.

We'll just see new kits that make "Regular Astartes" bigger and feature the classic look from older armor types with longer legs and bigger arms/hips. They'll all be pretty similar in terms of size and all, and it'll at least keep people a bit less angry that they can use most of their old parts from classic marines to make 'bigger space marines' that are still pretty much Devastators, Assault Marines, Tacticals, etc.

So 'Primaris' will probably just be a footnote in the history of Space Marines, some phase where the geneseed flaws were worked on and stabilized, chapters were reinforced with troops of a new doctrine, and things will just sort of 'blend together' in terms of their differences (and perhaps even retconned entirely while keeping all the 'Formerly Known as Primaris' stuff around).

It really is such a bizarre policy. Like, functionally, what on earth is the difference between swapping in a bit from a Primaris model and swapping one in from a minimarine model? It's a kitbash either way, whether or not GW get money in any given individual case is unaffected, it doesn't help drive Primaris sales because once the equipment is "unlocked" people can just use any source of bits as they wanted to from the beginning.

It's so pointlessly arbitrary.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
people who think Old Marines are going anywhere need to consider that the space marine kits are not very old. The bsic Tac Squad kit was released with codex space marines 6th edition, and is thus only 5 years old (introdued in 2013) the assault marine and vestator squad kits are even newer, being only 3 years old, (released in 2015 with the 7th edition Marine Dex) Meanwhile they've also released betrayal at calath with the MK IV space marines, which was late 2015 and Burning of prosperio about a year later. which added MK 3 space Marines.

Being perfectly honest, I don't see "Regular Astartes" going away, either. I don't think it will be "Primaris replacing them" at all. I do have a weird and outlandish theory, but a few people agree so it can't be that crazy.

I think over time we will see the two lines slowly phased together. There won't be any "Primaris", they'll all just be different variations of Space Marines and things like Intercessors, Hellblasters, and Reivers will just be another 'squad type' rather than an entirely different type of Space Marine altogether.

Regular bolters will become bolt carbines, so you'd still be able to use them from your old kits. All the heads and shoulder pads are still interchangeable. A lot of parts are just easy to swap out and move around at will, so it's not like they're COMPLETELY incompatible as it is. I've not tested out making "Truescale" marines with any Primaris stuff and original Astartes, just a few head and hand swaps here and there, some shoulder pads obviously.

We'll just see new kits that make "Regular Astartes" bigger and feature the classic look from older armor types with longer legs and bigger arms/hips. They'll all be pretty similar in terms of size and all, and it'll at least keep people a bit less angry that they can use most of their old parts from classic marines to make 'bigger space marines' that are still pretty much Devastators, Assault Marines, Tacticals, etc.

So 'Primaris' will probably just be a footnote in the history of Space Marines, some phase where the geneseed flaws were worked on and stabilized, chapters were reinforced with troops of a new doctrine, and things will just sort of 'blend together' in terms of their differences (and perhaps even retconned entirely while keeping all the 'Formerly Known as Primaris' stuff around).

I like that idea.

 Insane Ivan wrote:
I like that idea.

So do I, and I admit I may be more 'wishlisting' than I am pushing out a plausible theory with real concrete evidence that points toward it. But it does seem like things that Primaris didn't have when the Space Marine Codex dropped are starting to creep in with every release. First it was chainswords, then power swords, then plasma pistols and power fists, now a power axe and a 'bolt carbine' on a Lietenant.

So I wouldn't be shocked if we was other weapons systems gradually integrated into the Primaris line, like other power weapons, Heavy Bolters with a fancy name, and maybe even melta weapons or something.

I like Primaris Marines in terms of how they look, and that I've always thought regular marines were a disappointment and probably always should have had 2 wounds. But I figured that would be too much, I suppose. So I do hope there's some way to merge the classics with the new stuff.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/17/17th-aug-codex-space-wolves-preview-stratagems-warlord-traits-relics-and-psychic-powersgw-homepage-post-2/

Praise be to the Allfather for such gifts!

woot does that mean a lone terminator has 6 wounds?!

is quite funny though:

10 grey hunters, 9 die and the lone wold stands there and powers up! RaaaaRRR come at me bro

then rolls a 6 for his morale test and runs away XD.

edit: guess you can always use the strat in another later phase on the lone dude

 Latro_ wrote:
woot does that mean a lone terminator has 6 wounds?!

No you use this on a last survivor of a unit. So a lone terminator would jump from 2 wounds to 4 if he hadn't taken any damage. It's a fun stratagem but situational. I can see it being good if your opponent fails to clear all your grey hunters in the shooting phase and is relying on assault to get an objective from him, only for you to give him additional wounds and make it more difficult but generally I doubt it will see action over other better stratagems.

What looked nice to me was a captain with saga of the beastslayer and frostfury, bassically wounding vehicles and monsters on a 4+ and causing a mortal wound after. Pretty solid actually when you consider how cheap he would be, seems like a good trait for a warlord sitting back buffing your long fangs.

The big winner by far is living lightning though, late game that power can change games. I have won more then a few games because I have too many small units of fearless dark eldar around the objectives, that power has the ability to leap all over the table clearing away chaf remnants.

ah yea i read it wrong, kinda like increase the meter then fill it up.

BTW how lame is it that this release happened mid week and is largely buried among this box game release? I wonder how many folks don't even realize this book is going on preorder lol.


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 Latro_ wrote:
ah yea i read it wrong, kinda like increase the meter then fill it up.

Yea, it can't be a character either, I thought it would be sweet on a TWC but then noticed it's infantry only as well. It's more a flavor stratagem that once in a while could prove great, but I like those. I imagine they will also get the counter part to the dark angel stratagem about the wolf and lion as well.

Lone Wolf will win you games. If you have a remaining model, then suddenly become a character that can't be targeted unless they are closest and can go and hide on objectives, etc.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Lone Wolf will win you games. If you have a remaining model, then suddenly become a character that can't be targeted unless they are closest and can go and hide on objectives, etc.

I could win games sure, I don't think anyone said it couldn't. I just think it is situational and fluffy, which is also good. I think it could get CP expensive though, if a unit gets shot down to 1 man and you burn a CP at the end of phase your probably not going to risk a moral check, so it can easily end up costing you 3CP.

Also, depending on mission format, in ITC for example, you could end up creating VP's by making another character out of a unit as well. Here have head hunter to boot.

Plus your opponent has to be tactically naive /unlucky enough to leave that lone squad member near an objective. That said it is a fun and fluffy strategem, I like it a lot. Hopefully the rest of the Codex lives up to the hopes of our Lupine brethren.

Well, you can always use it at the end of the moral phase after checking (with ATSKNF).

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, you can always use it at the end of the moral phase after checking (with ATSKNF).

Hmmm, I think your correct. Still not sure I would call this anything more then a fun stratagem though.

I'm looking at the armor of Russ and I'm thinking it's kina crap compared to just about every other relic suit of armor I've seen,. the 4++ is nice, but the lack of a 2+ armor save is dissappointing. Still handy way to get a 4++ save on a primaris battle leader I guess

Lone wolf will never get used, people can't help themselves burning command points on frivolous re-rolls. I really really really wish they would take command point re rolls out of the game, or just limited them to 1 per turn total, they are a significant reason to why stratagems are not used to their potential currently.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Lone wolf will never get used, people can't help themselves burning command points on frivolous re-rolls. I really really really wish they would take command point re rolls out of the game, or just limited them to 1 per turn total, they are a significant reason to why stratagems are not used to their potential currently.

it'll get used, go over to the space wolves tactica thread on the tactics forum and you'll see there are a lotta people eager to use the ability just for the sheer fun factor. I don't think it will be judged "compeitive" and it's going to be the rare situation where you CAN use it, but it'll get used. it's fun and fluffy, a great little trick