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 Lysenis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
So local store noted reaver has sold out and are waiting for GW to cast some more. Pretty good for busted game.

Pretty annoying shortage in that every single maniple requires reaver unless I missed something.

For now they do. Newer ones might not

Well yeah. I suspect FW manages to cast more reavers before we get rules for new maniples though. Point being it's ATM pretty annoying to start as you have only warlords and knights which don't even make you legal maniple yet but with addition of just one reaver to grand master box you WOULD have full maniple.

Demand clearly surprised FW.


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 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:
Does anyone know if Adeptus Titanicus is going to get more factions and regular vehicles like epic 40k did?

that is prolly tied to lore.
cuz what realy exists in 30k?

FW has no requirement to stick with 30k forever. Imperial titans in 30k and 40k are pretty much same so they can easily shift timelines for each release. Indeed if they expand it first to xenos titans I would be astonished if they kept that in 30k timeline. Instead orks would likely be themed around great beast series or something.

For full epic they could in 30k area have all the marines and their vehicles and infantry etc. Later they could easily expand that line to include 40k armies with even shared units.

It's been said many times that tanks, infantry and such are NOT on the cards. This means that they are not planned within the next few years and that AT's balance and game structure isn't even thinking of including them.

And that makes sense, AT is about the titans waging war and the command structure is designed for you to focus more detail on fewer models rather than lots of detail on lots of models (because that grinds things to a boring level of detail for tabletop games).


Most people fully expect them to flesh out the AT range for Imperial Titans and then start adding Chaos titans as they advance the story through the Horus Heresy. Even sticking to that time line alone they've room to add Eldar and Ork titan units into the game.

Also because titans of all races are basically huge unchanging machines of destruction they can jump the time line to the 40K era without having to change a single model.

If Epic comes then it would be a totally different game with its own rule system and being a separate product line. If GW are sensible they will twin the scales so that the AT titans can work in a future Epic game along with all the terrain they make. Epic or similar would, however, be a much bigger investment because they'd be dealing with a much wider range of moulds and models.



*Imperials worship them like gods and won't change the design ; Eldar are fallen and will mostly s tick to their same ultimate level technology; ork ones are "technically" all going to be different but based on the same underlaying tech because they are orks

 Overread wrote:
It's been said many times that tanks, infantry and such are NOT on the cards. This means that they are not planned within the next few years and that AT's balance and game structure isn't even thinking of including them.

I'm not saying you're wrong that it's unlikely we'll get them any time soon, but given the whole "8mm scale" debacle came entirely from comments made by the design team about how they made Marine sculpts in various scales to help them decide how big to make the Titans - which would only be relevant if they were at least considering adding smaller stuff - and also given that IIRC the actual main designer of the game has stated that he did in fact design the rules to function perfectly well with formations of smaller stuff(one assumes using the same kind of truncated terminals Knights get) they just didn't really playtest that aspect, I really think any insistence from GW now that there's no infantry and tanks coming ever no way no how, so why don't you buy more lovely Titan models with your money right now instead of saving it up, all rings a little hollow.

I'm sure we will see Epic return - but it needs to be in addition to rather than an expansion for Adeptus Titanicus.

By all means, share the Titans across both games in terms of scale. But don't dilute what AT is. It's there to experience Titan on Titan combat, to put us in the seat of the Princeps Senioris.

Epic is more about being The High Command ordering their army about from afar. It's not about the minutiae of how a Titan actually works, and the decisions on how to best use your reactor.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It's been said many times that tanks, infantry and such are NOT on the cards. This means that they are not planned within the next few years and that AT's balance and game structure isn't even thinking of including them.

I'm not saying you're wrong that it's unlikely we'll get them any time soon, but given the whole "8mm scale" debacle came entirely from comments made by the design team about how they made Marine sculpts in various scales to help them decide how big to make the Titans - which would only be relevant if they were at least considering adding smaller stuff - and also given that IIRC the actual main designer of the game has stated that he did in fact design the rules to function perfectly well with formations of smaller stuff(one assumes using the same kind of truncated terminals Knights get) they just didn't really playtest that aspect, I really think any insistence from GW now that there's no infantry and tanks coming ever no way no how, so why don't you buy more lovely Titan models with your money right now instead of saving it up, all rings a little hollow.

When Specialist Games Studio was first announced, GW mentioned Epic specifically as one of the properties that were eying to bring back. When Adeptus Titanicus was shown for the first time GW mentioned that they had played around with a number of different scales and settled on 8mm, specifically because at that scale a marine still looked good and you could see his insignia. They are well aware of the desire for the return of Epic.
Right now GW is trying to sell titans. They don't want you to focus on what's coming, they want you to buy lots of what's in stores now.

I have heard no rumors of Epic returning within a year, except for the remark in an earlier post here, but I would be very surprised if we had to wait more than three years. I think they will keep doing AT for the next year, and then move on from just titans to full on Epic. That's just my hunch, not a rumor!

 Overread wrote:
It's been said many times that tanks, infantry and such are NOT on the cards. This means that they are not planned within the next few years and that AT's balance and game structure isn't even thinking of including them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/adeptustitanicus/comments/96gbwu/i_designed_the_new_edition_of_adeptus_titanicus/

Not disagreeing - or agreeing. The designer did say that the game was designed to be titan on titan, but they made some considerations and tests to see if infantry would work. However, he said he doesn't think it's likely to happen. It's worth noting that the designer of AT doesn't work at GW anymore though. It's good they were forward thinking enough to make considerations for smaller units.

(below is not in the interview - just me ranting)
It seems like it would be fairly simple to add infantry and tanks. They'd just be simplified. You'd just have "Infantry deatchment" or "spearhead detachment'. Select models that can go in those. They'd have a sheet just like knights, but minus the ion shields. So a spearhead detachment could have 3-6 battletanks. Same armor as or 1 lower than knights. Similar weapon chart. 2 structure ticks.

RobertDD wrote:

Also, the other bizarre decision: gaming materials essential to the game (the cards) are in very short supply in the starter and rule boxes, and if you want more (which you absolutely do) then they are special order only (and ridiculously expensive, but that is par for the course for GW so I am not even mentioning that).

The card packs that you can buy contain a different assortment of cards than what comes in the starter. So ideally you'd only need to get one pack of cards for each titan class But yeah, they're horribly overpriced at $12.50US for 26 cards. The good news is that it isn't at all difficult to make your own by cutting up some ordinary 3x5 cards.

I'm curious about what's going to be in the Warhound card pack. With only four Warhound weapons available, 26 cards comes out to 6-7 cards per weapon. That seems a bit much even if you're running a Venator maniple.

We'll see, I suppose.

Eumerin wrote:

RobertDD wrote:

Also, the other bizarre decision: gaming materials essential to the game (the cards) are in very short supply in the starter and rule boxes, and if you want more (which you absolutely do) then they are special order only (and ridiculously expensive, but that is par for the course for GW so I am not even mentioning that).

The card packs that you can buy contain a different assortment of cards than what comes in the starter. So ideally you'd only need to get one pack of cards for each titan class But yeah, they're horribly overpriced at $12.50US for 26 cards. The good news is that it isn't at all difficult to make your own by cutting up some ordinary 3x5 cards.

I'm curious about what's going to be in the Warhound card pack. With only four Warhound weapons available, 26 cards comes out to 6-7 cards per weapon. That seems a bit much even if you're running a Venator maniple.

We'll see, I suppose.

new weapons configurations mebbe?

Ursus claws!

Eumerin wrote:

RobertDD wrote:

Also, the other bizarre decision: gaming materials essential to the game (the cards) are in very short supply in the starter and rule boxes, and if you want more (which you absolutely do) then they are special order only (and ridiculously expensive, but that is par for the course for GW so I am not even mentioning that).

The card packs that you can buy contain a different assortment of cards than what comes in the starter. So ideally you'd only need to get one pack of cards for each titan class But yeah, they're horribly overpriced at $12.50US for 26 cards. The good news is that it isn't at all difficult to make your own by cutting up some ordinary 3x5 cards.

I'm curious about what's going to be in the Warhound card pack. With only four Warhound weapons available, 26 cards comes out to 6-7 cards per weapon. That seems a bit much even if you're running a Venator maniple.

We'll see, I suppose.

Yup, I knew about the different mix, but even assuming one pack per titan is all you need, you'd be spending $37.50 on cards. Another way of putting it is that they charge $25 for a standard 52 card deck. IMHO they should have made a ~104 card tuck box with enough cards to field 2 of any titan with any combination of weapons, and sold it for $15, which is perfectly acceptable. Another way of doing it would have been to supply a command terminal + all cards needed to use the titan on it with any weapon load out for some reasonable price. I would have been OK with either one of those choices over what's happening now. Oh, and they should not be GW exclusives, that's just silly.

RobertDD wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

RobertDD wrote:

Also, the other bizarre decision: gaming materials essential to the game (the cards) are in very short supply in the starter and rule boxes, and if you want more (which you absolutely do) then they are special order only (and ridiculously expensive, but that is par for the course for GW so I am not even mentioning that).

The card packs that you can buy contain a different assortment of cards than what comes in the starter. So ideally you'd only need to get one pack of cards for each titan class But yeah, they're horribly overpriced at $12.50US for 26 cards. The good news is that it isn't at all difficult to make your own by cutting up some ordinary 3x5 cards.

I'm curious about what's going to be in the Warhound card pack. With only four Warhound weapons available, 26 cards comes out to 6-7 cards per weapon. That seems a bit much even if you're running a Venator maniple.

We'll see, I suppose.

Yup, I knew about the different mix, but even assuming one pack per titan is all you need, you'd be spending $37.50 on cards. Another way of putting it is that they charge $25 for a standard 52 card deck. IMHO they should have made a ~104 card tuck box with enough cards to field 2 of any titan with any combination of weapons, and sold it for $15, which is perfectly acceptable. Another way of doing it would have been to supply a command terminal + all cards needed to use the titan on it with any weapon load out for some reasonable price. I would have been OK with either one of those choices over what's happening now. Oh, and they should not be GW exclusives, that's just silly.

Like I suggested, just cut up standard unlined 3x5 note cards, and write down the weapon stats on the results. They're about the same thickness as the official cards, and you can make at least a couple of weapons cards from each note card.

You can get your own cards made for a lot less than GW is charging. You can get a deck of 54 custom printed mini-cards for $8-something (US)

https://www.makeplayingcards.com/promotional/blank-playing-cards.html

Where do you guys have time to make up cards yourself? I'm busy painting Titans for the foreseeable future.

Games Workshop has a terrible history with spin-off/specialist games that aren't them directly bringing back things like Blood Bowl or Necromunda. If they'd called it 'Epic: Titanicus' maybe they'd have seen more success.

I think a lot of people are waiting to see just how long it's supported for. Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy (people are on the sidelines, nobody buys it, GW/FW scrap it due to lack of interest), but eh.

Well this is them bringing back one of the first if not the first spin off game

 Arbitrator wrote:
If they'd called it 'Epic: Titanicus' maybe they'd have seen more success.

nope they would just has disapointed 2 camps, thouse who awaits the return of epic and us who just want titan action.

we all know by now why people dident rush the stores at day one, but AT is still alot more popular then people think else they wouldent sell out their products.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
AT is still alot more popular then people think else they wouldent sell out their products.

Popularity has nothing to do with selling through. If you make 10 things, and sell all of them, that's not popular if the audience is millions.

If it's popular, it'll get a second and third printing, with expansions.

Are some of you rooting against AT’s success?

Case in point: I got into 40k as the specialist games were slowly dropped. 40k took over something like 70% of GW sales (it outsold Fantasy 3:1) and GW took Epic, Bloodbowl, BFG, and all the other games out one by one.

Was this cannibalization of GW’s product stream in favor of 40k to our collective benefit? Their solution to Fantasy’s flagging sales was to jack up prices (fail) and the quick release schedule of 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th edition 40k drove me nuts.

I made a BFG navy for fun and thought the game was really neat. I have like 8 Bloodbowl teams now since the rerelease. I bought in on AT. I like supporting multiple game systems so that your local GW isn’t just a wall of 40k. I think having multiple game systems supporting your IP enriches it, I hope AT succeeds so we see more game systems again in the future. I know that will only happen if they’re “successful” which is measured by GW’s margins and not our notions of their success.

If AT is not your cup of tea or the scale question is a turnoff that’s fine but I should think we’re all hoping ventures like this pay off for GW so we see a richer gaming environment from them.

Fajita Fan wrote:

I made a BFG navy for fun and thought the game was really neat. I have like 8 Bloodbowl teams now since the rerelease. I bought in on AT. I like supporting multiple game systems so that your local GW isn’t just a wall of 40k. I think having multiple game systems supporting your IP enriches it, I hope AT succeeds so we see more game systems again in the future. I know that will only happen if they’re “successful” which is measured by GW’s margins and not our notions of their success.

Something GW of old missed up is that the different games don't automatically just cannibalize each other and that just by killing off epic/bloodbowl/necromunda/etc doesn't mean those customers would buy with that money 40k or even GW stuff all together. There's generally only so much you really want for one game. However mutliple games give players different challenges and models to buy keeping them fresh and investing into them.

Hopefully the GW has learned of this and don't kill games even if they are making easy profit(assumption: GW doesn't greenlight project if the bosses think it will be negative. Thus if sales exceed's GW's own estimations by 400% game IS making clear profit) with it. You don't even need to support the smaller games on the level of 40k(and for example they could easily in future expand AT line into epic line with it's own rules. IF they wanted they could get good start for it by just one new plastic sprue(updated marine infatry and rulebook and they would have decent start for epic...).

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
AT is still alot more popular then people think else they wouldent sell out their products.

Popularity has nothing to do with selling through. If you make 10 things, and sell all of them, that's not popular if the audience is millions.

If it's popular, it'll get a second and third printing, with expansions.

exept specialist range dont have a huge fan base after they terminated it in early 2000.
for what little supportbase it has, AT is a success. reason why you dont see it beeing played is cuz all models and upgrads havent been released yet.
it is the model release plan that gave AT a thorn in the side, not the actual game.

GW dident have time last year to release AT and it looks the same this year too, else we would have had weekely releases.
its now 3 weeks since the reaver was released and still no warhound.

Looks like the Warhound will become available in October, exactly as expected.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cavboss/talon-games-cav-strike-ops-iii/description

These for a $100 might fuel some of the people who can't afford AT's buy in desire for giant robots

Sadly they just happen to be boring, boxy and generic scibots. Njeh.

Meanwhile, Warhounds are soon upon us

The mechs linked above are boxy and pretty crap tbh. Sry

I mean if I didn't have my wife, a house, a Harley, our cars, 40k, Necromunda, AoS to spend money on I might look into AT but it just doesn't seem appealing to me for what you get atm. Maybe if they release a few more races or something then ye. But atm meh.

Also what's the SIZE of the models? Are those 40k marine sized or knight sized? 44 models of which some should be at 40k knight sized for 100$ I find unlikely. GW has GW price addition but it's not THAT big

tneva82 wrote:
Also what's the SIZE of the models? Are those 40k marine sized or knight sized? 44 models of which some should be at 40k knight sized for 100$ I find unlikely. GW has GW price addition but it's not THAT big

They’re the size of Battletech minis if you play the video.

tneva82 wrote:

Something GW of old missed up is that the different games don't automatically just cannibalize each other and that just by killing off epic/bloodbowl/necromunda/etc doesn't mean those customers would buy with that money 40k or even GW stuff all together. There's generally only so much you really want for one game. However mutliple games give players different challenges and models to buy keeping them fresh and investing into them.

For what it's worth, I'm one of those people who basically doesn't buy anything from GW unless it's Specialist Games. Just the odd bit of terrain, paint pot or Made to Order metal mini.

GW used to get the occasional order out of me for a BFG ship or Epic Titan when they kept the SG range available on the online store (up until 2012ish). Just a drop in the ocean to them--I'm no big spender by any means--but that drop dried up once the SGs disappeared.

I nearly spent some cash on the new Necromunda, but balked when I realised they were going to drip-feed the rules. Fortunately Titanicus doesn't suffer from that problem. It's a bit lean in some places, sure--like specific rules for Legions--but the rules are complete out of the box. None of this 'no model, no rule' nonsense that's afflicted N17.

In the last two months I've bought more from GW than in the two years before AT came out. At full Aussie RRP too. It's still just a drop in the proverbial, and I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I can't imagine I'm the only one.

That said, though... if Titanicus is a total bust anywhere, I expect it'll be poor old Australia. The markup is so high (on the Warlord particularly) that sales must be hurting. I think it's telling that in the UK and US, the Grand Master box sold out within 24-48 hours, but it was still available on the Aussie website for weeks.

Fajita Fan wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Also what's the SIZE of the models? Are those 40k marine sized or knight sized? 44 models of which some should be at 40k knight sized for 100$ I find unlikely. GW has GW price addition but it's not THAT big

They’re the size of Battletech minis if you play the video.

Oh I rarely check videos. So battletech videos? Waaaaaay too small then so no solution unless your opponents use these as well.

The models don't come with all of the weapon options and I won't buy two models just to get one with the loadout that I want.

prastie wrote:
The models don't come with all of the weapon options and I won't buy two models just to get one with the loadout that I want.

It's not ideal, granted. But the smaller the Titan is, the less of a problem it becomes.

Warlords are the most limited at the moment, and it's a bit annoying. However, the kit is designed with magnets in mind, so you can fit them out with the existing volcano cannons and missile launchers they come with, and await the release of the weapon packs.

Alternatively, you can simply ignore WYSIWYG and go with counts-as. Just think of the Warlord model as having two generic arm guns and two carapace guns. What kind of guns exactly? The weapon cards on your terminal will tell you. Just assume they've been cunningly disguised to fool the enemy until they fire.

It won't really work for the Warlord power claw--a gun is obviously not a fist--but for everything else it should be fine. And it lets you play several loadouts and learn the rules, rather than committing to a choice before you know what's most useful.

Reavers have slightly more flexibility, since you get two arm guns in the kit as well as a fist and a carapace weapon. If you want two of the same gun, or two fists, you'll need two kits. And they're trickier to magnetise than Warlords.

But, again, you can always play counts-as. Just treat the modelled weapons as generic 'guns' and 'close combat weapons'. F'rinstance, you can assume the carapace rocket launcher to be some other carapace weapon. Turbo laser destructor? Obviously they're gigantic krak missiles instead of frags. Mega-bolter? Well, boltguns fire explosive shells anyway; these are just really big ones. Warp missile rack? Every rocket fires at once, Macross Missile Massacre style!

Warhound Scout Titans (about to be released) don't have this problem at all--the kit includes all their weapon options as standard. And since they're cheaper than the other Titans, WYSIWYG becomes more practical because you're likely to be able to afford more models with different loadouts. But of course you can still play the counts-as game if you like.

And Knights have a decent selection of weapons on their sprue. Ideally, yes, you want to buy at least two boxes at once so you can mix and match (e.g. a pair of gatling cannons on a single Knight), and preferably more. Still, knights are the cheapest of the lot (relatively speaking), so this is more practical than it might sound. Even I've managed it, and I don't have a hobby budget so much as a budgette.