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Combat Arena consists of a small board, cards, and rules that are self-contained and don't carry over to BSF.

If Escalation follows the pattern set down by the other two? There's a book of fluff, a book of rules, new tiles, and some other bits. It's not just "oh look here's Cultists for $70".

I don't think it's too out there to pay around $20 for a new playable character with all their rules and stuff. And $30 for a new enemy type including 8 models of that new type, with some boards and new missions and what not would seem like a pretty good deal, I think. But having to get it all together for $110 seems like a lot. But if you're actually going to use all four of the new characters maybe it isn't. There's just already more than enough characters, so having to buy four more characters in order to get the new enemy type is less than ideal.

I saw this Combat Arena yesterday. Its 40 bucks, and it is in the same vein as those other board games that GW put out there in Barnes and Noble. I'll buy the Escalation stuff, because it's at a decent price for me, added to the discount I get. Your welcome to get the Combat Arena thought, I think they are pretty much the same figures.

Individual heroes are already going for £20 on ebay, at least the Admech one. Him and the Psyker I see as having the most potential for 40K, assuming she isn't just a primaris psyker and has some additional quirk.
Admech, depending a little on FW (though mixed FW detachments are not that uncommon with AdMech) might be a little more significant depending on points. Having a 4th cheap Enginseer equivalent opens up a cheap two battalion option - and an Omnispex you can pass on to other units is decent enough a buff (ignores cover Onagers/Plasma-kats etc).

If the character has an omnispex buff that would be ace, I could really get the extra use out of that especially if it's not just a "MARS" unit (I usually play stygies).

callidusx3 wrote:
Price is out there and it appears to be US$110

Ahahahahahahahahanope

 Crimson wrote:

robbienw wrote:
UK independent stores do indeed offer up to 25% off. I regularly order from Dark Sphere who have 25% off online, 20% off in store, but if you spend over £100 in store you get 25% off there as well

Do they ship outside UK?

They do, but only to countries in the EU/EEA/EFTA. I suspect the shipping costs might be high though.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I like how we discuss pricing but neglect the fact that most countries have places you pay less than RRP. Especially USA and UK. Whatever the RRP is then I'll be paying 25% less.

I'm glad GW are supporting this, it's great and I'd rather proper models rather than zombicide type plastic. As far as 40k rules go, it's unrealistic to expect minor units to impact the game much and viability is purely from the competitive point of view. Which is not really going to be BSF's target audience IMO.

When prices come up first it's "but who pays that price"... then its "but they have expenses"... then its "but you don't really need it"...

What it says about a company that asked $110 for this has very little to do with what we end up paying. Regardless of what we pay, GW already made that extra money before you ever bought it. The same year GW allowed independent retailers to start selling at discounted prices online, leading upto it and following GW raised prices by 15-20% across its different lines... negating most if not all potential savings. When you look at how GW defines itself to it's shareholders... everything they do is intended to get you comfortable with a higher price or just accepting that higher price. $110 is too much... not everyone can just go out and buy discount product for a variety of reasons... but even $80-85 is too much. GW's slowly raising the temperature to boil up some frogs.

By allowing retailers to sell at discounts GW is able to get people used to seeing and then disregarding a price. They see its $150, but sure they're getting it at a steal for $115... ignoring it could have been bought for $115 before... but now that $150 is in the back of your mind and when you or others see that model, they see it as a $150 model, not a $115 model... Next when GW raises the price from $150 to $170, you react by saying "but what does that matter not as if I pay that price" but eventually you will.

Even Getting Started boxes are just designed to acclimate you to spending around $100 at a time. Starter boxes will either get you used to fronting up more money than you want to spend for the half of the box you do want, until you can sell the other half... or it gets you to think of individual components with a nebulous value in the context of the set's price; that frames your point of reference around that higher number. You think of its value as a fraction of that set's price instead of saying has X,Y, and Z about this really elevated the value of raw plastic pellets into something that I should pay this much for... and you end up saying "I got a deal" when in fact in the context of other plastic products you very likely didn't...

Yep. I find it pretty remarkable how many people (across systems) seem to think things are good deals, like the $25-35 sort of prices for character models. Just because something is cheaper than something horribly overpriced doesn't mean it's a good deal, or even not overpriced: it just means it isn't as expensive as something more expensive.

While I know some people are more prone to jump on something when they see it at a discount, I think more people fall into the "I'd pay X amount for this product", regardless of how it gets there.

Sure, you have some people who simply live by the "never pay retail" mantra because it ...makes them happy or feel smart or something. I think most people are more in the above camp though. For instance, there have been some GW boxes at $150 which are actually almost worth that much, even without discount.

Other large boxes are simply not, even with discount. However the price gets there, I look at the value of how much money is being plunked down for what.

110 USD? Yikes! GW seems intent on making me never expand BSF. I really enjoy the game and the core box is a good value (to me), but these expansions are outrageous. At 75 USD if there was a lot of extra content outside the models, I would have definitely bought this. At 110 it's a very easy pass.

I can't think of another board game expansion that is over $100 (maybe Kingdom Death Monster?). It is pretty much unheard of to have a $110 expansion that can't be used without a $150 boxed game. At half the price ($55), it would still be on the upper end of most expansions.

I mean, even by GW standards, that's extreme. Rogue Trader was over $100, but you really only need a $35 book to play it. I really wish I could sit in on the strategy meeting where they decided to sell this game at twice the price of everything else on the market...

I'm fine with 110US$ expansion as long as there're effort and investment putting into it, not this cost-saving low effort product.

This would have been Warhammer-underworld style explorer pack with similar price. Oh wait they only charge WU expansion at 30$ because they had to compete with X-Wing.

Honestly, I'm really excited about the servitor, and that's it. It's the same reason I have the Kroot guy and the Imperial Robot.

KD has some big expansions: a couple are $150, but for that you get a greater daemon to imperial knight sized monster, a half-dozen human characters with a ton of extra parts (and one has a primarch sized character), and they come with hundreds of cards.

Both plastic and paper content are way more substantial than BSF. I like BSF a lot as a light and pretty dungeon crawl, but I don't think I like it $110 for a new boss; some probably minor variant goons; some new player characters, when I expect all of that content will be equally fluffy and basic.

FYI some 40k rules are up. The winner to me (as I’d hoped!) appears to be the techpriest. His archaeotech heal d3 wounds ability is different than the normal repair wounds ability that AdMech has, so you could potentially do both at once to heal 2d3 wounds on something. <EDIT> And THEN use the tech adept stratagem to do one again for a total of 3d3 repairs!

That’s not to mention his Omniscanner ability to give friendly units within 6” +1 to hit vs a single enemy unit. Get kataphron destroyers with plasma culverins within 24” and proceed to annihilate. It’s like the 2cp stratagem but free, except the range restriction.

Second place (imo) goes to the psycher’s psychic augment ability.

No doubt the cultists and rogue trader will continue to be hamstrung by horrific keyword restrictions.

40K rules preview:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/23/taking-it-beyond-the-fortressgw-homepage-post-1/

I like how Rogue Trader, obscenely wealthy individual with access to the best tech AM has to offer, has worse pistols than what some hobos can bang together from scraps in damp cave. Maybe she should have hired the baldy, not hoody boys when she was purchasing supplies?

Quasistellar wrote:
FYI some 40k rules are up. The winner to me (as I’d hoped!) appears to be the techpriest. His archaeotech heal d3 wounds ability is different than the normal repair wounds ability that AdMech has, so you could potentially do both at once to heal 2d3 wounds on something. <EDIT> And THEN use the tech adept stratagem to do one again for a total of 3d3 repairs!

That’s not to mention his Omniscanner ability to give friendly units within 6” +1 to hit vs a single enemy unit. Get kataphron destroyers with plasma culverins within 24” and proceed to annihilate. It’s like the 2cp stratagem but free, except the range restriction.

Second place (imo) goes to the psycher’s psychic augment ability.

No doubt the cultists and rogue trader will continue to be hamstrung by horrific keyword restrictions.

The Techpriest as well will likely be hamstrung by horrific keyword restrictions. It would be one thing if he represents a new 'class' of Techpriest, but if he's a character? He's going to be faction locked to Mars.

The price for the cultists is off.

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

Nope, they pay for the flamer.
In their unit price.
Which makes these follows interesting.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

Nope, they pay for the flamer.
In their unit price.
Which makes these follows interesting.

35 for 7 guardsmen and a flamer? I thought that should be 7x5+6=41? (Not positive on chapter approved prices)

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

Nope, they pay for the flamer.
In their unit price.
Which makes these follows interesting.

35 for 7 guardsmen and a flamer? I thought that should be 7x5+6=41? (Not positive on chapter approved prices)

7X4 plus 7 pre ca i believe.

I'm almost positive it was post-5 point guard. BSF isn't that old.

Either way, IMHO 7 w/ GL/HS is way nicer than 7 w/ flamer, even if they end up with a 6+ save.

Don't forget the Traitor Guard get a Krak grenade too.

Woo. Important that Krak grenade...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Don't forget the Traitor Guard get a Krak grenade too.

Woo. Important that Krak grenade...

As someone that has a r&h army, any bsf villain unit makes me want to hammer my head on my table

Ayup, no splitting characters here.

Cultist half is interesting though!
The Firebrand is by himself:


Cultists are all one frame:


The Firebrand being by himself makes those "Renegades and Heretics" codex rumors a bit more plausible, in my opinion.

I see that GW are still convinced not taking up a force-org slot is some kind of advantage.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I see that GW are still convinced not taking up a force-org slot is some kind of advantage.

There's a potentially interesting argument to be made about this with regards to the way the new Space Marines Doctrines work.

If your army includes any units that aren't Adeptus Astartes, you lose that perk...but if the unit doesn't take up a FOC slot does it remove stuff like that?

Cultists autoguns, upper left corner, agripna pattern i believe, same as fw renegades.

I seriously hope we get these in a cultist kit.
Pls

Just once i want propper autoguns.