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 thekingofkings wrote:
here we run into that no gw game is popular, its all guild ball, legion, warmahordes, fallout, monpoc, etc.

I'm jealous.

We have had a few people try to bust the gw stranglehold but it never lasts.

Though ive gotten a decent ragnarok and saga event attendance building.

"Why are you not playing AoS?"

It comes down to time, when I painted and played WFB I was single and had the time. Now with a family I had to make choices on what games I could continue to paint and play.

Cheers,

CB

 auticus wrote:
We have had a few people try to bust the gw stranglehold but it never lasts.

Though ive gotten a decent ragnarok and saga event attendance building.

Until 8th edition GW was on the decline here. Then 8th came, and everything else dried up overnight. The Warmahordes people went further south and was quietly killed off after a few weeks of zero attendance, Guild Ball had already died out long ago, Kings of War I think died out but might still have a few people, and every other game has had no FLGS support so never gets off the ground because nobody wants to buy elsewhere and play at a store, and the store doesn't see the benefit of stocking it. The tiny section that had 40k now is like over 50% of the store.

I've had a couple job opportunities in Tampa. There may be a chance I'm relocating down there in the next few years. If that happens I will likely not be trying to do public gaming but will build up a private campaign group like I have done here.

 auticus wrote:
I've had a couple job opportunities in Tampa. There may be a chance I'm relocating down there in the next few years. If that happens I will likely not be trying to do public gaming but will build up a private campaign group like I have done here.

If you ever do, be sure to drop me a PM!

I sure will.

I haven’t finished painting yet and I gotta get a train to my closest gw.

Have tried in the past to get in to AoS but hmmm I miss the old world and my dwarfs damn it. Yes to me they will always be called dwarfs. Can’t say I really like the look of the new fyreslayer dwarfs although the overlords look ok.

Would have loved airships that had the aesthetics of the old gyrocopters. But not buying any sigmar or even 40k stuff anymore my precious hobby cash goes to other companies which is good for them I guess.

 xKillGorex wrote:
Have tried in the past to get in to AoS but hmmm I miss the old word and my dwarves damn it. Yes to me they will always be called dwarves. Can’t say I really like the look of the new fyreslayer dwarves although the overlords look ok.

Would have loved airships that had the aesthetics of the old gyrocopters. But not buying any sigmar or even 40k stuff anymore my precious hobby cash goes to other companies which is good for them I guess.

That's 'Dwarfs' beardling!

Ooops predictive and typing on a small screen doesn’t work for me lol.

I recently looked at AOS again and played some games with my dwarves - now Dispossessed. I am considering starting a new army but what holds me back is the lack of support for the Dispossessed.

I have heard comments before that GW wants you to buy a new army - that is why there is little love for the old armies/models. While I get that argument, I see a different way of looking at it.

We are in the second version of AOS. If GW updated the Dispossessed (and other armies) to bring them in line with other 2.0 armies (whether a battletome or a real update to bring the units up to grade) then not only would I have more desire to play my Dispossessed army (and buy additional kits to expand it - and more so should new kits arrive one day), but when i see that GW cares enough to value the money and time I have spent on their products I would be more inclined to buy additional armies (more money for them). But when they don't I have to worry that any new army I do buy might be left hanging at some point - either an army that is good now getting nerfed and not fixed for many years or an army with great models but poor rules now never getting properly fixed.

This keeps me from buying more GW product and undermines my desire to play AOS (and keeps GW from getting more of my money).

My armies aren't min/maxed (mostly old Fantasy Collection) I've yet to have a good game. Most end up being a Two to Three hour game of Rock Paper Scissors my collection is not well suited to. The fact I've won more than I've lost and still haven't enjoyed myself is worrisome.

I find it frustrating as I still love my armies and have enjoyed the background of AoS since the release of City of Secrets. I'm excited to see what the new Death army is and want to start a Hysh Elves army if the models excite me.

Rather torn at the moment as I very much enjoyed the recent Path to Glory campaign I joined but the CCG Uber combos at full points matches irritate me.

The CCG uber combos are both strongly desired features of both AOS and 40k.

Why I don't play? Ask me a few months ago and I'd have said fantasy wargaming wasn't my thing, and that I preferred 40k and the like.

Now, after having played a little Total War Three Kingdoms, which made me think hard about ye olde tactics, I'd say the only things stopping me are lack of space and indecision about a faction.

Since I have a (small amount of) Thousand Sons, my gaming group says to get Tzeench and, specifically, Tzaangors, but I don't like the Chicken barbarian aesthetic.

The Lizardmen, sorry, Seraphon, look cool (and easy to paint with Contrast out now), but I've been told that, unless you use a lot of Skinks, they don't do hordes and are closer in gameplay to Stormcast.

While I prefer horde armies (possibly with good movement), the horde armies I know of (Skaven, Gloomspite Gitz, Daughters of Khaine) don't have an aesthetic I like.

So, I don't know what I want, and even if I did, I don't have the space at my place for it (yet).

Arcanis161 wrote:


Now, after having played a little Total War Three Kingdoms, which made me think hard about ye olde tactics, I'd say the only things stopping me are lack of space and indecision about a faction.

Have you tried Total War Warhammer 1 or 2? If not try that out when the game is on sale. DLC policy sucks (but sort of good in a way) If not, as I said when the next sale is on, try it, might like it if you liked Total War Three Kingdoms. While I have never tried a Total War game on the Warhammer ones, they are fun as well. It's that game that wants me to try Age of Sigmar again.

Biggest reason I’m not playing more is time. I’d play more if I had more open gaming time. But...I don’t.

I think after I finish my Tyranids for 40k I'll revisit AOS. Despite them being good, FEC isn't appealing to me anymore, and Maggotkin is in the same boat so might be time for a different army. That's likely not until the end of the year or early into next (really want to focus on finishing a project for once lol) so it may be a different landscape at that time.

Wayniac that is likely going to be a really fantastic time to get into AoS. Early next year is about where I'm estimating GW to finish adding Battletomes to existing armies, so by around that time most armies should have a 2.0 battletome or be very close to getting one. So it should be a really free time to pick whatever force you want without any risk of a nearby rules change or army merger etc...

 Overread wrote:
Wayniac that is likely going to be a really fantastic time to get into AoS. Early next year is about where I'm estimating GW to finish adding Battletomes to existing armies, so by around that time most armies should have a 2.0 battletome or be very close to getting one. So it should be a really free time to pick whatever force you want without any risk of a nearby rules change or army merger etc...

I mean, 40k is a gakshow and AOS isn't much better, but visually I think AOS is way more appealing. Everything looks fantastic and cool, 40k still largely looks like regular sci-fi to me. The biggest issue I have with AOS is the lack of good terrain outside GW. Most third party terrain is too small to be much use, or still WHFB/historical style medieval buildings. Very little in the way of weird fantastic themed terrain.

But we will see. I consider switching to AOS a lot, since I played it first, but the armies I have don't appeal to me right now (despite FEC being super good), and I have too many projects I'm looking at doing anyways lol. Plus I'm kinda waiting for them to move forward with updates to AOS, in the hopes they get most of the major factions with updated battletomes.

I'd say AOS likely will not have most of its factions not garbage and have a 2.0 book until late 2020. As of now mid 2019 we have:

Slaves to Darkness
Ogres ( 2 factions)
Orcs (2 factions)
High Elves (like 3 factions)
Dark Elves (around 2 factions)
Wood Elves (wanderers)
"Free People" (assuming they will wrap dwarves, humans together)
Kharadron Overlords


Those are off top of my head. Thats liike 13 books. End of 2020 is stretching it for half of those.

If we assume Ogre Kingdoms+BCR, Ironjawz+Greenzkins (maybe Bonesplitters), Aelves together, it could be done I think. I doubt a lot of those will be 100% independent armies, they'll likely be rolled up into others.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/773473.page#10398437

That lists out the current standing of all the armies at present.

Death is finished

Chaos only really has Slaves and Everchosen which appear to be listed as one army on the store and thus likely a shared battletome. Tzeentch is a bit hit and miss (some argue it needs a new Tome others not).

Destruction needs a lot of attention, but at the same time it might also be made into fewer armies. That GW has put both Orruk armies into the Warcry as separate armies suggests that they might be getting two Tomes, but then again the Trolls aren't included in the Gloomspite listing.
Orgors are a fairly confident single Tome -bringing together Gutbusters and Beastclaw raiders

It's really just Order that's in a total mess and a LOT of that is the Aelves. We really have no clue how GW is going to handle them and sort them out. They could be covered in a single Battletome "United Aelves" or in two "light and dark"; could be rolled into the "new" armies that GW has strongly hinted at coming; they could be dropped in part or in full etc.... They could even roll them into existing forces eg Scourge heads off to join Idoneth and Darklings join up with Daughters of Khaine etc....
Other than Aelves most of the rest appear sane, though I'd not figured that GW would put Dwarves and Humans together in Free Peoples, but they could.

Arcanis161 wrote:
While I prefer horde armies (possibly with good movement), the horde armies I know of (Skaven, Gloomspite Gitz, Daughters of Khaine) don't have an aesthetic I like.

Are you averse to splinters, sir?

Sylvaneth dryads move 7 inches, enjoy an army-wide psuedo-teleport mechanic, get a defensive buff if they are in groups of 10 or more, have enough reach on their weapons to support the 'engulfing blob' behaviour you see in large units and have a rule that encourages them to focus fire on individual units.

Overread wrote:Wayniac that is likely going to be a really fantastic time to get into AoS. Early next year is about where I'm estimating GW to finish adding Battletomes to existing armies, so by around that time most armies should have a 2.0 battletome or be very close to getting one. So it should be a really free time to pick whatever force you want without any risk of a nearby rules change or army merger etc...

Are we back to square one now? By that I mean we are back to armies not updated and we have to wait to see if they may or may not be updated anytime soon. Coming back to see if I want to continue 40K, or Age of Sigmar, and it seems we are back to where we were 5 years ago. :(

We have many factions that either have never had an update yet since initial launch in 2015 or armies that have not had a "2.0" army book yes.

There is a lot of fan positivity that "most will be updated by the end of next year" for whatever that is worth.

I've been waiting for a slaves to darkness book worth more than burning garbage for four years now. If they don't give me one by the end of the year I'm just going to write one myself.

Davor wrote:

Overread wrote:Wayniac that is likely going to be a really fantastic time to get into AoS. Early next year is about where I'm estimating GW to finish adding Battletomes to existing armies, so by around that time most armies should have a 2.0 battletome or be very close to getting one. So it should be a really free time to pick whatever force you want without any risk of a nearby rules change or army merger etc...

Are we back to square one now? By that I mean we are back to armies not updated and we have to wait to see if they may or may not be updated anytime soon. Coming back to see if I want to continue 40K, or Age of Sigmar, and it seems we are back to where we were 5 years ago. :(

I think some areas of the game are still like that, such as the Aelves, however overall we are far stronger and safer in general now than before.
One issue is that over those 5 years AoS has had at least 3 major shifts in its design of which two of them were under different management teams.

It's launch was very much "models without rules" approach to miniature production and whilst there were rules, they were jovial and super casual rules without any points system at all.
After that there was a rapid kneejerk reaction to produce rules and a game system which spawned the first generals handbook and a few early Battletomes which were just warscrolls and fluff, nothing else.
Then there was the proper 1.0 rules which were quite a muted affair all told, again it was still in that kneejerk reaction phase.

Then fast forward to last year and we had 2.0 drop and with that we got a big shift. Battletomes now had lore, alliance abilties, equipment, spell lores, warscrolls and points. The General's Handbook shifted to a correction/adjustment/balancing document rather htan an emergency set of points. We also got new mechanics such as Endless Spells and the beginning of faction terrain making itself known as well. From there things have grown in strength, the GHB this year is even more than just a corrections document, indeed it contained some new rule concepts and ideas and methods of play. In addition GW committed to 6 month updates on points/rules and have also committed to FAQ/Errata being released a month or so after each respective Battletome.

2.0 has honestly been the product we should have had at the start of AoS. For me its honestly where I consider the "game" of AoS to begin its life in proper earnest. It's been a darn long time coming, it was stunted at the start and wasn't helped by poor management at the very beginning; went through a huge management and attitude shift at GW head office and a new CEO. It's had a rough life and one can argue that a company in GW's position and with tehir resources should never have given it the rough start it had. But it happened, its done now and moving on AoS is growing in strengths.



There are still some risks to armies and models. We are still all unsure what GW will do with the Aelves, but I think we can rest easy that most of the other Grand Alliance armies are safe. Or at least the models are and if the army vanishes its likely being absorbed into another. Give it half a year and I wager we'll see a good portion of the game Battletome read; a full year from now and AoS should be complete in terms of Battletomes.

I just hope a new StD book has that artifact that gives a model the benefit of all four gods; throw that on like a Manti-Lord and watch him go ape-gak. I do wanna see that book too. I have a full StD army already, minus a centerpiece Archaeon, but I’ll get one for a workable StD army.

I used to, but had some of the grievances this post isn't about airing.

Mostly to do with how GW treat their games and customers.

Also other games. Kings of War is a mass battle game that offers all the strategic thinking I want. Gaslands offers the don't think too hard and destroy stuff (that AoS could provide) really well for a fraction of the cost and less arguing about rules because they are written badly. Plus I also play Malifaux, Infinity and ancients, so I don't really have time for the games I do play.

Wayniac wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Wayniac that is likely going to be a really fantastic time to get into AoS. Early next year is about where I'm estimating GW to finish adding Battletomes to existing armies, so by around that time most armies should have a 2.0 battletome or be very close to getting one. So it should be a really free time to pick whatever force you want without any risk of a nearby rules change or army merger etc...

I mean, 40k is a gakshow and AOS isn't much better, but visually I think AOS is way more appealing. Everything looks fantastic and cool, 40k still largely looks like regular sci-fi to me. The biggest issue I have with AOS is the lack of good terrain outside GW. Most third party terrain is too small to be much use, or still WHFB/historical style medieval buildings. Very little in the way of weird fantastic themed terrain.

But we will see. I consider switching to AOS a lot, since I played it first, but the armies I have don't appeal to me right now (despite FEC being super good), and I have too many projects I'm looking at doing anyways lol. Plus I'm kinda waiting for them to move forward with updates to AOS, in the hopes they get most of the major factions with updated battletomes.

and when the RPG drops, you wil have plenty of models