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We saw the child catch and eat a frog whole before. This is what they eats. No reason to think it would do otherwise.

Yeah, I feel that people are projecting the "cute and cuddly" aspect of a pet/human baby a bit too much onto Baby Yoda considering we actually don't know what Yoda's species is like when it's reared in its usual habitat. He's effectively the Nibbler of the setting right now.

 Jadenim wrote:

 Graphite wrote:

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Well, The Child eating a sentient creature's offspring being played for laughs certainly is horrifying

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks that!

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I’m starting to get a real creepy vibe from the child; an uneducated force sensitive is a very dangerous individual and I think they’re going to explore that.

agreed. veeery creepy. I mean you look at what the kid sees with the Mandalorian and he's seeing a LOT of violence at a young age, that's gonna leave scars.

He tried to kill a person because they were starting to beat Mando at Arm Wrestling.

 AduroT wrote:
He tried to kill a person because they were starting to beat Mando at Arm Wrestling.

Clearly, he is a troubled youth in need of a proper father figure.

And the coolest little mando costume XD

Glad to see I'm not the only one puzzled by the 'no hyperdrive' thing, though I may have some of the building blocks for an explanation:

The Tatoo and Geonosis Systems are close to each other, bizarrely close. Per Padme in Attack of the Clones, "Geonosis is less than a parsec away" from Tatooine, an explanation supplemented with a little graphic on a computer screen indicating they may even be in the same system - but RPG books made before and after Disney acquired the franchise (though if you're discounting Disney canon's explanation for a work set in Disney canon why are you even here?) make a point of saying they're different systems so close together they share the same dot on the galactic map.

Now, a parsec is 3.26 light years, still utterly impractically far for a ship moving at slower than light speeds, but thanks to the 'less than' disclaimer, it really can be anywhere within that 3.26 light year range, even much, much closer.

My theory? The Tatoo and Geonosis stars are either close enough to each other that space travel between them is viable at whatever speeds ships can make without hyperspace, or the both of them are part of a dense stellar cluster with systems in between them that are viable to reach without hyperspace, and for whatever reason Frog Lady ended up going into labor while waiting for her connecting flight.

 LordofHats wrote:
The New Republic being a handful of planets was a wtf moment. If the New Republic was just a handful of planets, why did the First Order even care? Why did anyone care? That would represent a total failure of the Rebellion's goals and would have already made them irrelevant in itself.

Per the books they've been putting out I think we have a pretty solid timeline of the state of the New Republic and how it collapsed due to the First Order:



That was the extent of it in the leadup to Rise of Skywalker, which I think retroactively changes some of it (hard to believe the First Order as presented in the books is really so hard pressed to need 'a fleet' all that bad) but by and large we have a clearer picture of how that war went than we did in the run-up between AotC and RotS. I definitely wish the movies had covered it more...

But anyway!

 Big Mac wrote:
Forgive me for not being a Star Wars close followers, is the timeline for the Mandalorian = when Yoda was young or long after the Empire has fallen? I get all these young Yoda, then there is supposedly Baba-fett...

Baby Yoda is just the nickname people give him because it's a baby, and we don't know the name of Yoda's species. The Mandalorian takes place after Return of the Jedi and around 9 years after the original Star Wars, or 9ABY.

 Graphite wrote:

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Well, The Child eating a sentient creature's offspring being played for laughs certainly is horrifying

My wife and I both had problems with this. It pretty much ruined the episode for us.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Graphite wrote:

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Well, The Child eating a sentient creature's offspring being played for laughs certainly is horrifying

My wife and I both had problems with this. It pretty much ruined the episode for us.

Maybe it'll be 'that one episode' that the last season had that just wasn't that good and the rest will all be amazing XD

Yeah, it made the whole episode feel pretty mean and nasty.

The Child scoffing the eggs also suggests something of its background.

We know it’s a hungry little bugger, as he seems to eat whenever the opportunity presents.

Being a Force Sensitive, that suggests trouble ahead, and greater agency to get him to a Jedi for appropriate training etc. This is of course Audience Knowledge, rather than Mando’s Knowledge.

As for the first two being fairly quiet? Opening episodes of the second season, probably to be expected. Shows off the Cool of the setting, without being plot dense for newcomers. Because there will be people (such as my Lass) who didn’t watch Season 1, but might be watching Season 2 “on sufferance” with friends or partners. Hopefully they’ll serve as a subtle catalyst to encourage them to watch Season 1.

the agency to get him to a jedi may in fact be the idea. I think they want to make it clear that, the child simply CANNOT stay with the Mando.

We also know from Season 1 with the Crispy Roast Monkey Lizard that in the Mando's area of the galaxy, eating things which are at least semi-sentient doesn't even raise an eyebrow. So in-universe, Mando's resigned attitude seems reasonable. Life is cheap in Star Wars.

But still felt a weird thing to play for laughs.

 Graphite wrote:
We also know from Season 1 with the Crispy Roast Monkey Lizard that in the Mando's area of the galaxy, eating things which are at least semi-sentient doesn't even raise an eyebrow. So in-universe, Mando's resigned attitude seems reasonable. Life is cheap in Star Wars.

But still felt a weird thing to play for laughs.

in fairness whike the EU noted monkey lizards where possiably sentient I'm not sure disney canon has said they are. sure Salacious crumb laughed a lot but so does a Hyena.

Hyenas don't "laugh". It's a sound they make like a dog barking that we think sounds like a laugh. Salacious Crumb see's something bad happen to someone and literally points and laughs at them.

 Lance845 wrote:
Hyenas don't "laugh". It's a sound they make like a dog barking that we think sounds like a laugh. Salacious Crumb see's something bad happen to someone and literally points and laughs at them.

that seems to be the case, but I'm noting it could be a learned action, no differant then a parrot. or even simply a natural sound it makes.

A fairly fine filler episode. I get some of the issues... if only the script had said "you want me to travel in realspacei?" to leave a bit of wiggle room in the lore.

The mother didn't seem too worried about some missing, and neither am I.

The scene where the x-wing patrol switch channels and then 'lock s-foils into attack position' one at a time was a good one. And I liked the idea that antique spaceships are exempt from otherwise required modern features.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
A fairly fine filler episode. I get some of the issues... if only the script had said "you want me to travel in realspacei?" to leave a bit of wiggle room in the lore.

The mother didn't seem too worried about some missing, and neither am I.

The scene where the x-wing patrol switch channels and then 'lock s-foils into attack position' one at a time was a good one. And I liked the idea that antique spaceships are exempt from otherwise required modern features.

species that lay large amounts of eggs do so specialy because only a few are expected to make it so..

MarkNorfolk wrote:
The scene where the x-wing patrol switch channels and then 'lock s-foils into attack position' one at a time was a good one. And I liked the idea that antique spaceships are exempt from otherwise required modern features.

The thing I liked from that scene was..

MarkNorfolk wrote:
A fairly fine filler episode. I get some of the issues... if only the script had said "you want me to travel in realspacei?" to leave a bit of wiggle room in the lore.

The mother didn't seem too worried about some missing, and neither am I.

The scene where the x-wing patrol switch channels and then 'lock s-foils into attack position' one at a time was a good one. And I liked the idea that antique spaceships are exempt from otherwise required modern features.

My only quibble is they announce which channel they’re turning to, as though he couldn’t follow them over and listen in still, but he didn’t so....

 AduroT wrote:
My only quibble is they announce which channel they’re turning to, as though he couldn’t follow them over and listen in still, but he didn’t so....

Not that odd.

Channel codes don't necessarily tell you what frequency they're using, just that they have a channel called such and such. I find their demeanor to be the more egregious part of the episode.

They were unfertilized eggs. What, none of you eat eggs?

 gorgon wrote:
They were unfertilized eggs. What, none of you eat eggs?

I think it's that there's a distinction between eggs that are made to be eaten, and eggs that someone is explicitly trying to get fertilized and apparently considers their last chance to not die out.

I don't eat the eggs of sentient lifeforms.

 LordofHats wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
They were unfertilized eggs. What, none of you eat eggs?

I think it's that there's a distinction between eggs that are made to be eaten, and eggs that someone is explicitly trying to get fertilized and apparently considers their last chance to not die out.

I'd offer that no animal lays eggs specifically to be eaten; they're all made explicitly to be fertilized. The fact that other animals eat them (fertilized or not) is simply a part of the other species biology. That said... you'd expect there to be a difference when the species laying them and the species eatng them are obviously thinking beings but I don't think Baby Yoda is developed enough mentally to make that connection. He likely just sees them as yet another tasty snack similar to a human baby will try to chew on a dog's ear without considering the consequences. About the closest human adult comparison would be swallowing after... you know...

Chickens aren't sentient? They can't feel pain or emotion?

 gorgon wrote:
Chickens aren't sentient? They can't feel pain or emotion?

I wasn't aware of the dictionary distinction between a sentient and thinking/reasoning being. From being a lifelong scifi fan and the colloquial use of the word in that genre, I assumed incorrectly that the words were interchangeable. Thanks and good to know!

MarkNorfolk wrote:

The mother didn't seem too worried about some missing, and neither am I.

Pretty much my take on it. If the Child had been eating actual alien kids, it would have been all sorts of wrong. Here, they're unfertilised eggs, and while it's obvious by the end of the episode that Mrs Frog isn't too happy about it, she also doesn't make a big deal of it. Given that she's shown as not being afraid to flip out at the Mando when she feels its justified, the obvious conclusion is that while her eggs are important overall, she's not particularly attached to them individually, and the Child eating some is more an irritation rather than horrifying...

And I liked the idea that antique spaceships are exempt from otherwise required modern features.

Takes me back... We had a car when I was a kid that had the same deal, with no seatbelts in the back. With vinyl bench seats. Corners were fun.


But yes, it's a nice detail.

Vinyl seats? In Oz?

Christ, I've still got the scars from getting into my mates' dad's car after a day at an airshow, in shorts. Those bastatds were black as well just to really make it sting.

But at least we didn't slide about going home, we were stuck in place.

 warboss wrote:
He likely just sees them as yet another tasty snack similar to a human baby

*Snip*