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It might also explain why I can’t quite see how they’re going to wrap up this season with just one episode left.
It’s also a crowd pleaser - and would require a Disney+ account...when the family are around.
What’s that Aunty Sue? When I’m done can your younger kids watch Disney+? Of course! Sure Uncle Bob, Cousin Jeremiah and Luanne, Cousin David’s girlfriend, all your kids can watch it.
Isn’t it nice when they can all sit down and watch something in relative quiet during the general chaos of a family Christmas!
Mmm? Oh it’s all no more than PG rated, it is Disney after all. Yeah, for its price it’s pretty solid value.
And from there the new subscribers are derived......and then they tell their friends, and they tell their friends. And even if they’re already subscribed themselves, the watching is kicking off on Disney+, and is likely to stay there for the rest of the day.
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I was like nahhhh, they just playing, green light sabre, one gloved hand, black clothing and robe... It's not him.... Then when he crushed the dark trooper it was a little, what, serious.....
It was a fitting end, however I am a little disappointed it was Luke though still, it's such an obvious pick
Boba getting his empire at the end was also amazing
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I was like nahhhh, they just playing, green light sabre, one gloved hand, black clothing and robe... It's not him.... Then when he crushed the dark trooper it was a little, what, serious.....
It was a fitting end, however I am a little disappointed it was Luke though still, it's such an obvious pick
I’d agree with that. Though....
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I feel they were just tease enough that on his approach, I was all “is it he, isn’t he? It could, but maybe they’re just toying with me”.
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Yeah totally expected the fake out - single x wing, ROTJ robes single black glove green saber then switch out but no there’s Luke! Credits confirm it’s a deaged Mark Hamil I thought it looked a bit uncanny valley alright.
Still the small matter of the Dark Saber to be resolved in Season 3. Din is now technically the leader of Mandalore and Bo ain’t happy
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2020/12/18 09:26:03
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
I also enjoyed that the dark troopers were indeed badass, and completely OP for your regular folk but as easy to deal with as B-2 battle droids for a jedi.
One thing I did notice though, was the lack of male mandalorian... It's as if they purposely intended the assault team to be all female (not that I have a problem with that personally) but it was because of one of two reasons... Kathleen Kennedy, in which case, prepare for angry misogynists doing reaction video's on youtube, or it was a subtle two fingers to those same misogynists by Favrou... Which is hilarious and I highly approve of.
However, if it comes out it was to do with KK, then someone at disney needs to bite the bullet at disney/lucas and really get her out, it's just awful PR for her to be involved in any creative aspect at this point
Yeah totally expected the fake out - single x wing, ROTJ robes single black glove green saber then switch out but no there’s Luke! Credits confirm it’s a deaged Mark Hamil I thought it looked a bit uncanny valley alright.
Still the small matter of the Dark Saber to be resolved in Season 3. Din is now technically the leader of Mandalore and Bo ain’t happy
Dark Sabre related
Spoiler:
She already accepted the dark sabre without combat from Wren before though
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2020/12/18 10:01:41
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
Someone on a different forum posted this, but it's almost blow-for-blow my thought process during that scene:
Spoiler:
"...One X-wing? Is that...no, couldn't be. There's no way they'd have him appear outside of a main movie, right? They called in that recurring pilot character. Yeah, that's it"
"Okay, it's someone with a lightsaber, but it can't be him. Maybe Ahsoka got an X-wing somehow?"
"Wait, that's a green lightsaber - and he's clearly a human. Can't be Ahsoka. So that means...no, it must be Ezra. Yeah, that's definitely it."
"...HE'S WEARING A BLACK GLOVE ON ONE HAND. DON'T YOU TEASE ME LIKE SHOW. DON'T YOU DARE!"
"DSASFHGTDSGRGJTYUFGND!"
Yeah, so, I did not see that coming at all. Overall a brutal episode with tons of action, and wild surprises.
And then there's...
Spoiler:
Boba Fett - King of Tatooine!
Not sure how that'll turn out, but it was nice to find out how a certain someone ended up, however brief that was.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: ... but it was because of one of two reasons... Kathleen Kennedy, in which case, prepare for angry misogynists doing reaction video's on youtube, or it was a subtle two fingers to those same misogynists by Favrou... Which is hilarious and I highly approve of.
Unlikely to be either reason.
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Yeah totally expected the fake out - single x wing, ROTJ robes single black glove green saber then switch out but no there’s Luke! Credits confirm it’s a deaged Mark Hamil I thought it looked a bit uncanny valley alright.
Still the small matter of the Dark Saber to be resolved in Season 3. Din is now technically the leader of Mandalore and Bo ain’t happy
My thinks on the second point.
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This is where we see deep Mando Lore coming into it, I reckon.
From the get go, Din has shown zero interest in holding on to the Dark Saber, let alone leading Mandalore. We instead see him freely offer it to Bo-Katan.
I reckon The Armourer (clearly a veteran Mandalorian, and lore keeper) might be the right port of call, see if there’s precedence for non-lethal combat.
Because right now, Bo-Katan has no reason to plot against Din. He’s in her way, but not by choice nor design.
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Yeah totally expected the fake out - single x wing, ROTJ robes single black glove green saber then switch out but no there’s Luke! Credits confirm it’s a deaged Mark Hamil I thought it looked a bit uncanny valley alright.
Still the small matter of the Dark Saber to be resolved in Season 3. Din is now technically the leader of Mandalore and Bo ain’t happy
My thinks on the second point.
Spoiler:
This is where we see deep Mando Lore coming into it, I reckon.
From the get go, Din has shown zero interest in holding on to the Dark Saber, let alone leading Mandalore. We instead see him freely offer it to Bo-Katan.
I reckon The Armourer (clearly a veteran Mandalorian, and lore keeper) might be the right port of call, see if there’s precedence for non-lethal combat.
Because right now, Bo-Katan has no reason to plot against Din. He’s in her way, but not by choice nor design.
I said this above but I'll repeat...
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She received it directly from Wren in Rebels without combat though, so there is a canon precedence for it
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That was just so damn good! The whole way through was an impressive feat of an episode.
Spoiler:
Well, I did say a few pages back that Din could get the Darksaber, and now we just have to see whether or not he is someone who will still be up for handing it over to Bo Katan in the next season.
Cool we now know that the Dark Troopers are phase 3, but they got ripped apart like any other battle droid by a Jedi.
Bib Fortuna's brief appearance was spoiled for me in the credits, but that's my fault for making that mistake.
Is the Book of Boba going to be the name for season 3 or something new entirely?
Had more feels in that last half hour of the episode than I did in all of the sequel trilogies.
Although
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It did make me think of the Last Jedi again, and what Luke would become which made me angry about the sequel trilogies once again. Reboot, please!
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Yup, didn't expect them to actually *win* so hard in the end, I was definitely expecting a "they get the kid back, but something goes horribly wrong, and Gideon has a much more powerful force going on", but I'm happy that it was a happy ending! And fully happy to admit that tears were shed.
I loved how they found an organic way to have Din fight a Dark Trooper one on one. Excellent storytelling there, and a very good way of naturally ramping up the dread, though I kinda would have liked maybe an initial breach scene of a handful of Dark Troopers maybe getting onto the bridge, and *just* being repelled, before another wave comes, and is then distracted by...
LUKE! Yup, didn't expect he'd show up in this! I saw the one X-Wing and thought "oh, that's just going to be a precursor for like a MASSIVE New Republic fleet", and then it just landed, I was thinking "maybe Luke then?" when I saw Grogu. The lightsaber looked white on screen, thought maybe Ahsoka, and then when it was green, I had no doubts it was Luke. I am pleasantly surprised we saw his face and that he spoke, I was wondering if they'd have kept him hooded, but no! And I have to say, the de-aging was done very well, very little uncanny valley for me, though I am (again) a little concerned about the risks of "we can tell indefinite stories in this time period using digital actors from the OG series", but that's more of a personal concern.
I felt they hammered the "the darksaber can't cut through pure beskar" a little much, but I appreciate the reminder for less involved audiences. The Mandolorians squabbling at the start felt a little drawn out (could've skipped the fight scene, but the rest was good, I liked Bo-Katan's jabs at Boba and his one liner back). Boba being called "not Mandolorian" feels a little strange coming from the 6th episode, where I thought he made it clear that he himself *did* identify as Mandalorian, because he was the son of a foundling, so Bo-Katan rejecting that and Boba just accepting it felt a bit off.
And, as mentioned, Bo-Katan's being a bit of an idiot here - which, I expect is a deliberate choice to draw some irony between her first interaction with Din, where she called him a cultist for not taking his helmet off, but now she's exhibiting all the culty rules and traditions. As said before, I do wonder if they'll bring up the Wren issue from Rebels, and if that's why Bo-Katan couldn't consolidate power (still want to know how Gideon got the saber, and why he never pressed to become ruler of Mandalore), but if it's a case of "people publicly saw her given the Darksaber", that shouldn't be an issue here, as there were only like 5 people who would have known Bo-Katan didn't take it by force (and none of them, bar Gideon, who really shouldn't be trusted by anyone, have any motivation to deny Bo-Katan's claim).
Basically, it's pretty clear that Bo-Katan and Din will come to blows, but it really doesn't *need* to happen, from a rational perspective. But hey - looking forward to what goes down, and what's up next!
They/them
2020/12/18 15:33:06
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
So this morning they announced Jeremy Bulloch's death on the CBC and it kinda struck me as I was getting out of bed that they had the Mandalorian theme accompanying the piece - granted Boba Fett's actual theme from Empire probably wouldn't have the tone they were looking for, but it occurred to me that Mandalorian really has, despite all predictions to the contrary, secured itself in the pop culture space as genuine 'Star Wars.'
And that feels pretty good.
As for the episode:
The Bounty-Man:
Spoiler:
I was honestly expecting the stuff about Jango/Boba's mandalorian status to be left alone after that retcon - I was pleasantly surprised to see Bo arguing with him about it this episode.
The Cylons:
Spoiler:
I was expecting their armored plates to be made of beskar - since Gideon seems to be the only one we know who has at least, at one point, maintained a stockpile of the stuff. The fight with Mando seemed to back that up, but then again I guess not in light of what the lightsaber did to them.
I hope we don't see them again. Or at least, not for another 40 years, then they can come back looking like us now.
The Ending:
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So I guess in light of the events leading up to the sequel trilogy and Mando's promise to see Grogu again - I think they're setting up a future or epilogue arc of old Mando rescuing Grogu from you-know-who.
That face effect for Luke looked really bad to me - worse than the primitive version of it we see in Tron Legacy - that voice seemed close though - that can't be Mark, can it?
Perhaps he's actually Luuke! (OoooOOoo!)
I'm genuinely curious what they intend to do with a Boba Fett series... or is it an arc? I know certain corners of the internet are going to take this as proof positive that Pedro has left the series and Boba will be taking the reins.
I also really like that, for all the times the bad guys have killed themselves, or gotten themselves killed in this series, Gideon was foiled in his attempt to escape justice.
All in all, it didn't hit as hard for me as the ending to Season 1, but I'm still on board and the ride's been fun so far.
One thing I did notice though, was the lack of male mandalorian... It's as if they purposely intended the assault team to be all female (not that I have a problem with that personally) but it was because of one of two reasons... Kathleen Kennedy, in which case, prepare for angry misogynists doing reaction video's on youtube, or it was a subtle two fingers to those same misogynists by Favrou... Which is hilarious and I highly approve of.
However, if it comes out it was to do with KK, then someone at disney needs to bite the bullet at disney/lucas and really get her out, it's just awful PR for her to be involved in any creative aspect at this point
Whether or not KK made that call is ultimately irrelevant, people will claim she did in order to get people to click on their articles, links, youtube videos, etc and the people who would get mad will get mad.
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all women assault team. Didn't feel fan-servicey, didn't feel contrived at all. We knew not to expect the male Mandalorian from the expositional scene of the two Mandos at the bar, Boba as the pilot makes total sense, and there's no-one who really felt *absent*.
Anyone who feels "offended" because "womenz" or thinks it was fanservicey is probably reading far too deep into it. It made sense within the context of the show, and that's what matters.
all women assault team. Didn't feel fan-servicey, didn't feel contrived at all. We knew not to expect the male Mandalorian from the expositional scene of the two Mandos at the bar, Boba as the pilot makes total sense, and there's no-one who really felt *absent*.
Anyone who feels "offended" because "womenz" or thinks it was fanservicey is probably reading far too deep into it. It made sense within the context of the show, and that's what matters.
Imagine telling someone just 3 years ago that there is going to be a Mandalorian TV show led by the dude that got stomped by the Mountain and feature an all female assault team consisting of an MMA fighter, WWE star, Mulan, and Starbuck.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
2020/12/18 15:56:29
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
That was pretty great and I'm curious what future shows will be about and the next season (there is going to be another one, right?).
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I did feel like the "we must fight" bit was both interesting in contrast to events from Rebels, and simultaneously contrived. I'm not clear why they can't just have a scuffle and be done with it, though the potential for conflict between two nominally heroic characters is something we don't see often enough. I'm also taking the big moment at the end (ooooooooh) to be our answer to who Grogu was talking to a few episodes back. Dark Troopers were suitable terrifying and I loved the subtle look of confused terror on Gideon's face right there when the big moment happens, as if he knows exactly who is coming way before anyone else, including the audience.
Did anyone else notice how the final fight with the Troopers was very similar to Vader's appearance in Rogue One, but reversed?
all women assault team. Didn't feel fan-servicey, didn't feel contrived at all. We knew not to expect the male Mandalorian from the expositional scene of the two Mandos at the bar, Boba as the pilot makes total sense, and there's no-one who really felt *absent*.
Anyone who feels "offended" because "womenz" or thinks it was fanservicey is probably reading far too deep into it. It made sense within the context of the show, and that's what matters.
It's an interesting contrast to Avengers End Game, where the moment was completely called out and contrived in context. Someone learned a lesson, or wanted to show someone else up XD
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I like that his style of fighting was perfectly in line with his chronological last appearance. No CGI flips. No weird super speed powers. Just chopping wood.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Lance845 wrote: I like that his style of fighting was perfectly in line with his chronological last appearance. No CGI flips. No weird super speed powers. Just chopping wood.
I think I saw a couple of one-handed tricks in there.
Spoiler:
Also, there was definitely a shot where they forgot to add the lightsaber effect and he's blocking blaster bolts with a green light-up toy.
Lack of male mandalorians - there were two, Boba and Din. They might not be actual mando's, from a certain point of view, but I think its pretty well established that they are mando-ish enough to be considered as such by some, if not by others. Anyway, point is there was plenty of testosterone in the episode, the decision to have a quartet of female mando's was likely done to counterbalance all the other male characters from a diversity quota standpoint. Doesn't really seem like something worth getting angry over or trying to push any sort of agenda other than the fact that females exist. If you "noticed" this then it says a lot more about you then it does about KK, Favreau, or Filoni.
Bo-Katan accepting the Darksaber from Sabine Wren is also probably the reason why she won't accept it from Din - She accepted the darksaber, took leadership of mandalore, and basically fethed it up. Mandalore is implied/stated to have been destroyed and virtually wiped from existence by the Empire under Bo-Katan's watch. She didn't "earn" her right to rule Mandalore the first time around, and failed in the process of leading. Now she has a chip on her shoulder, she wants to reclaim her planet, and prove that she has the right to lead it. This no doubt means that she intends to earn leadership of Mandalore the proper way - by fighting and killing Din in order to claim the Darksaber as being rightfully hers. Also remember that even with the darksaber Mandalore was still in the midst of a civil war and she clearly did not have the support of all the people, which might have lead to her perception that she must "earn" the right in order to win the respect of those who opposed her. Or whatever.
Baby Grogu + Luke Skywalker power hour - This has me reaaaaal nervous. We know what happened to Luke's students. I'm reeeeeeeally hoping that Grogu wasn't amongst them, or I will *never* forgive Favloni.
Boba's status - Not sure why everyone is so confused by this, nor why people consider this a retcon. He never said he was a Mando, he rather made it a point to not say that he was. As far as Jango is concerned - hes a foundling, some might not consider them to be true Mando's (as was the case with Almec in The Clone Wars), and perhaps the child of a Foundling isn't automatically considered to be a mando by some/only a Mando by blood can give birth to other mando's, etc. If nothing else, the Republics clone army were certainly not considered to be mandalorians despite being made of Jango's DNA, so its logical to assume that Boba wouldn't be considered as such either - especially when you remember that Bo-Katan and others probably aren't aware that Boba was a "special" clone.
Gideon not being ruler of Mandalore - Theres nothing left for him to rule, it'd be a meaningless title given that the Mandalorians are established to be all but extinct as both a people and a culture at this point.
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It could be that the simple handing over is why she previously failed to unite the Mandalorians, so this time she has to do it right?
Just speculation though.
Well to discuss the crux of the issue: the Darksaber.
Spoiler:
Bo-Katan already accepted the Darksaber from Sabine in Rebels and was accepted by the Mandalorians as their leader. She then lost the planet and it was turned to a lifeless ball of glass. My theory as to why shee insists to take it "from the cold dead hands of her enemies" is that she now believes that her failure to hold Mandalore was that she failed to kill Maul herself and reclaim the sword. Now, she has convinced herself that the only way to restore Mandalore is to "do it right" and win it in combat. If Din was a radical Mandalorian at the start of the show, he turned slowly into a more moderate one. Bo-Katan, of camera, seem to journey in the opposite direction from a fairly moderate Mandalorian to a more radical one.
I was pretty darn surprised that when Gideon shot her that they didn't simply kill her character there and then, thus easily solving the issue if only by killing slightly unceremoniously her character. Note that the fight doesn't need to be to the death for it to be valid it seems. Bo-Katan considers that Din has won it and Gideon is still alive. They could easily solve the issue in a non-lethal way. If death is the only acceptable outcome, then Gideon is also still alive and could simply be forced to fight it off, again with nothing to win in it for him.
On the issuee of the Jedi rescue
Spoiler:
Swear to god if it turns out Kylo Ren killed Grogu, I'll be really pissed.
On the issue of the ending:
Spoiler:
Is it me or was it the last show of the Mandalorian? They are already putting up new stuff and the end credit were not the traditionnal concept art, but just a blank screen with the names of the people. The main plot has also been resolved with Grogu being gone. The loose end like who will become Mandalore could be solved in other shows if at all.
