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Initially there were plenty of Stormtroopers left on the cruiser. They just proceeded to do what Stormtroopers do...
Given Gideon is ISB my take is that he keeps his assets spread out so as not to draw unnecessary attention. He might even emulate the Rebel Alliance in trying to build up strength and position his forces before even thinking about taking back the galaxy. But I don't think that cruiser was his only ship either, nor the biggest military asset at his disposal. It was just the most relevant at the time as the vessel assigned to the research around Grogu, so that's where he hung out.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Incidentally I’m still bummed Boba didn’t take part in the boarding of the cruiser, just because I’d like to have see the reactions when Luke showed up.
DaveC wrote: Star Wars Visions trailer - Disney+ from September 22nd. could be interesting to see what can be done when not tied to the whole Skywalker saga.
Episode 3 Tatooine Rhapsody features Jabba and Boba. Episode 9 is set post Rise of Skywalker.
EDIT: Also concept art for the Bad Batch confirms that Nala Se is in Mount Tantiss on Weyland (Thrawn Trilogy)
Huh, interesting that quite a few franchises are jumping on the anime bandwagon recently. I mean taco bell is using it for their commercials, why not Disney lol.
I'm surprised they got Studio Trigger to do one of them, but first impressions I'm feeling rather ambivalent from what they've shown so far. I feel like if they wanted flashy animations that they could have gotten Genndy Tartakovsky back to do stuff since his Clone Wars series in 2003-5 was badass as hell and I'd love to see his take on stuff after the Empire fell or even during the Galactic Civil War.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: This one I’m dubious about, as I’ve never developed a taste for Anime.
ditto
Ditto.
So... The animatrix but starwars and even less in canon because... light saber whips? This looks exhausting. I can't wait for the monologues that talk down to us to explain the plot and themes.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: This one I’m dubious about, as I’ve never developed a taste for Anime.
ditto
Ditto.
So... The animatrix but starwars and even less in canon because... light saber whips? This looks exhausting. I can't wait for the monologues that talk down to us to explain the plot and themes.
and I really look forward to weebos telling me it's the best thing for star wars ever and even the horriably bad gringe ones are better then "any of that trash in TCW!"
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Lance845 wrote: So... The animatrix but starwars and even less in canon because... light saber whips?
We've seen light saber whips before, haven't seen people having sword fights on the roof of a star destroyer flying through space sans helmets though. That said I think the debate over whether or not its canon was settled a few months ago when the initial previews were shown: not canon at all, but a fun creative exercise and an opportunity for various anime studios to play with the license - and maybe give some market feedback to the big mouse upstairs.
That said, I'm really curious about The Duel - clearly set in an alternate universe (or distant, distant past) where the Jedi served the Empire (or 'an' empire) and the Sith are a dangerous sect that split off of them in a civil war? Yes please.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: This one I’m dubious about, as I’ve never developed a taste for Anime.
ditto
To be fair, it's pretty clearly cattering to people who already like anime.
Calling some of these studios famous though is a serious stretch. I'm not sure Kamikaze Douga wants to be famous for making Batman Ninja (which is to my knowledge the only thing they've ever made). Out of the studios listed, only TRIGGER and Production I.G. are actually famous in any sense of the word (and one of them mostly for making Kill la Kill and every meme that comes from it). Twin Engine is new but they can at least put Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress and Vinland Saga under their name and both shows were well received. They did the remake of Dororo too. Kinema Citus did Rising of the Shield Hero but that's the only thing I know of theirs that could be called popular and it's animation wasn't that notable. Science Saru did Space Dandy and Devilman Crybaby, which had great animation work even if the studio isn't particularly famous.
Honestly, most of these animation houses would be better described as up and coming studios rather than famous A few of them are barely a decade old and only have 1-2 hits to their names and 1 can only claim a Batman movie most notable for how bad it was. I mean, I'll watch it if for no other reason than it looks like the animation budget is going to be solid so we'll get some good action scenes, maybe some nice set pieces, music, looks like a few of them try to bring out the 'Jedi' in Jedi if you know what I mean. That might be neat. I'll watch it and probably be amused. I doubt it's going to bring anyone new on board though.
It does make me wonder what a studio like Madhouse or Bones would do with a full series though. But then they're actually famous anime studios and they're not on this project.
EDIT: And I stand corrected. Kamikaze Douga are the guys making the Jojo Bizarre Adventure adaptations, so they do actually have something people like in their wheelhouse.
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Douga specifically did the openings animations for JoJo - and in general they're more known for commercials and cutscenes and the like. I'm pretty confident they can deliver, especially if they're not expected to fill a long runtime like they had to with Batman Ninja.
More importantly: the first entry in the set is going to make or break people's expectations of the series - I suspect The Duel is going to be one of the strongest entries.
Lance845 wrote: So... The animatrix but starwars and even less in canon because... light saber whips?
We've seen light saber whips before, ...
Indeed. Lumiya used one in the Star Wars comics from 1985, and more recently Kit Fisto made one in one of the Clone Wars novels. Fairly sure there was a Nightsister with one in the Star Wars Miniatures range as well. So definitely not a new idea.
Also, this looks very cool. Loving the music.
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Well thats dumb as hell and defies all the talk of how a lightsaber is supposed to work. Being what amounts to super heated plasma contained within a field does not leave room for flexibility like a whip. Not unless its a multitude of blades within a chain of emitters or some crap. Which you know... wouldn't hold up to another lightsaber at all.
Whatever.
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Lance845 wrote: Well thats dumb as hell and defies all the talk of how a lightsaber is supposed to work. Being what amounts to super heated plasma contained within a field does not leave room for flexibility like a whip. Not unless its a multitude of blades within a chain of emitters or some crap. Which you know... wouldn't hold up to another lightsaber at all.
Whatever.
There's a lot of ways you could rationalize it. The explanation for Lumiya's was, if I recall, that the cord of her whip had small lightsaber crystals woven throughout (and at the time of writing the crystals were strictly a focusing medium rather than the nebulously defined power source/converter it is today) and the idea that they were held in place by a field wasn't even a thing in 85.
The linked emitters idea isn't that out there, considering what we know about lightsaber resistant materials like beskar, but the easiest explanation of all is that the force field that captures the plasma doesn't necessarily need to be in the shape of straight rod to be effective - compare to the beam saber technology in Gundam, which used the same principles to create curved blades, shields, and even large banners to communicate across great distances.
Of course, the actual explanation is that the entire piece is going to be really impressionist and stylized - leaning as hard as it can into fantasy.
Of course, the actual explanation is that the entire piece is going to be really impressionist and stylized - leaning as hard as it can into fantasy.
Which, it should be remembered, Star Wars already leans heavily into. Visions as a whole seems to embrace the influence of the samurai genre, fantasy, and space opera facets of the original material, really. Star wars was never really sci-fi in the stricter sense of the genre. Though at that point we're quibbling and should probably just chill and enjoy the show.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: This one I’m dubious about, as I’ve never developed a taste for Anime.
ditto
To be fair, it's pretty clearly cattering to people who already like anime.
Calling some of these studios famous though is a serious stretch. I'm not sure Kamikaze Douga wants to be famous for making Batman Ninja (which is to my knowledge the only thing they've ever made). Out of the studios listed, only TRIGGER and Production I.G. are actually famous in any sense of the word (and one of them mostly for making Kill la Kill and every meme that comes from it). Twin Engine is new but they can at least put Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress and Vinland Saga under their name and both shows were well received. They did the remake of Dororo too. Kinema Citus did Rising of the Shield Hero but that's the only thing I know of theirs that could be called popular and it's animation wasn't that notable. Science Saru did Space Dandy and Devilman Crybaby, which had great animation work even if the studio isn't particularly famous.
Honestly, most of these animation houses would be better described as up and coming studios rather than famous A few of them are barely a decade old and only have 1-2 hits to their names and 1 can only claim a Batman movie most notable for how bad it was. I mean, I'll watch it if for no other reason than it looks like the animation budget is going to be solid so we'll get some good action scenes, maybe some nice set pieces, music, looks like a few of them try to bring out the 'Jedi' in Jedi if you know what I mean. That might be neat. I'll watch it and probably be amused. I doubt it's going to bring anyone new on board though.
It does make me wonder what a studio like Madhouse or Bones would do with a full series though. But then they're actually famous anime studios and they're not on this project.
EDIT: And I stand corrected. Kamikaze Douga are the guys making the Jojo Bizarre Adventure adaptations, so they do actually have something people like in their wheelhouse.
That’s entirely fair.
My general “meh” to “thanks, I hate it” reaction to anime by no means should inform anyone else. More just bummed I might miss out on cool stories.
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Easy E wrote: What took so long, considering Star Wars originated from the same sources as anime?
Anime's an art style dude, SOME animes may come from similer sources but trying to claim it all did is a stretch.
I think you misunderstood him, I think he means like how Japan influenced the creation of Star Wars since George Lucas credits The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa as a major inspiration and how Vader's helmet is based on the Samurai armour aesthetic. You could also argue that the Jedi are pretty much East Asian warrior monks in space.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: This one I’m dubious about, as I’ve never developed a taste for Anime.
I had some taste for it back in my college days, these days I don't have the time to watch dubs (can't stand most subs, because the voice actors are... poor choices, most of the time) Also got a little tired of the genres limited tropes, time wasting and fetishes.
These though... wow. If I wanted to do the work, I could just name the shows and studios they're trying to just flatly copy into Star Wars with no consideration for the setting or its themes, feel or tropes.
That was just grotesquely caricatured weeabo stereotypes all the way down.
That video felt kinda gross, in an 'exploitation flick' kind of way.
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Grimskul wrote: I think you misunderstood him, I think he means like how Japan influenced the creation of Star Wars since George Lucas credits The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa as a major inspiration and how Vader's helmet is based on the Samurai armour aesthetic. You could also argue that the Jedi are pretty much East Asian warrior monks in space.
The word Jedi literally comes from Jidaigeki, a Japanese film genre that's basically period pieces mostly focused on the Edo Period. The stances and sword fighting choreography for the original trilogy is straight out of classic Japanese cinema.
The be specific, the Jedi are basically Space Samurai and the philosophies about the Force are an overt pastiche of Zen Buddhism.
Grimskul wrote: I think you misunderstood him, I think he means like how Japan influenced the creation of Star Wars since George Lucas credits The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa as a major inspiration and how Vader's helmet is based on the Samurai armour aesthetic. You could also argue that the Jedi are pretty much East Asian warrior monks in space.
The word Jedi literally comes from Jidaigeki, a Japanese film genre that's basically period pieces mostly focused on the Edo Period. The stances and sword fighting choreography for the original trilogy is straight out of classic Japanese cinema.
The be specific, the Jedi are basically Space Samurai and the philosophies about the Force are an overt pastiche of Zen Buddhism.
And Wagner and Tolkein both borrowed from Norse mythology but would anyone say "ohh why haven't they made a LOTR opera yet, it borrows from the same sources as opera"?
as I said anime's a pretty wide boat, and trying to link all anime together is as silly as trying to say Batman TAS is the same as Loony Toons (in fact at least Batman TAS and Loony toons are owned by the same company)
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Lance845 wrote: Well thats dumb as hell and defies all the talk of how a lightsaber is supposed to work. Being what amounts to super heated plasma contained within a field does not leave room for flexibility like a whip. Not unless its a multitude of blades within a chain of emitters or some crap. Which you know... wouldn't hold up to another lightsaber at all.
As it happens, lightwhips were considerably weaker than regular lightsabers, as a result of their design.
Really, though, technology in Star Wars has always been a 'look cool first, explain how it works later' type of deal. The vast majority of the audience doesn't care how any of it actually works.
Nevelon wrote: Rule of Cool covers a LOT of sins in the SW universe.
Maybe for you. I find it exposes more sins in every universe, as it almost always comes out as Rule of Stupid.
Its like waving a flag and attracting attention specifically to the things that just don't work.
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