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Grimskul wrote: Ugh, the ending part with Reva was dumb as usual. Pretty much no explanation for how she survived the gut wound besides "sith hate stronk". With how little development she has, her subplot really seems rushed and unearned with her heelturn, I really would have preferred if Owen ended up shooting her in the head when she was talking with Obi-Wan. Seems like a really bad set up for her to have her own spin-off show, so hopefully the generally bad reception to the show makes them second guess or deter her from being a main lead.
I don't think they're setting her up for a show... a novel series, maybe. She's definitely more of a 'book' flavoured character. Frankly I was more interested in what happened to her because she's the only actor on this show that isn't spoken for in later movies.
Grimskul wrote: Also, I get that Obi-Wan got the absolution he was looking for from Anakin, but is there a specific reason why he lets him live....again? Besides for canon reasons? I thought at the very least Vader would end up getting back up that prevents Obi Wan from delivering the finishing blow.
I loved that little talk, but yeah, doesn't really make sense that Obi-Wan would leave him there (excepting of course, the qualities that make him a decent human being that also prevented him from killing his friend at the end of Revenge of the Sith). If anything I'd have done it in the opposite order, have Obi-Wan bang him up real good at the start of the fight, have them talk, then have Vader take the upper hand with Kenobi rattled. Then do the rocks in the pit gag, but at a larger scale, and require Obi-Wan to escape.
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Captain Joystick wrote: [I loved that little talk, but yeah, doesn't really make sense that Obi-Wan would leave him there (excepting of course, the qualities that make him a decent human being that also prevented him from killing his friend at the end of Revenge of the Sith).
Those qualities are exactly the point. He wins the fight, he knows he should kill the enemy for practical reasons, and he still can't bring himself to kill his old friend as he lies helpless on the ground.
If anything I'd have done it in the opposite order, have Obi-Wan bang him up real good at the start of the fight, have them talk, then have Vader take the upper hand with Kenobi rattled. Then do the rocks in the pit gag, but at a larger scale, and require Obi-Wan to escape.
That doesn't fit the "now I am the master" bit from ANH. Obi Wan had to win this fight if it was going to happen at all, otherwise Vader wouldn't be acknowledging that last time they met Obi Wan was the winner. It would be "lolWTF old man, I almost killed you last time what do you think is going to happen here?".
Voss wrote: Doesn't track. Vader wouldn't give a dead womp rat about 'recovering Ties,' especially while chasing Kenobi.
Maybe not, but in his situation if the ship hasn't jumped to light speed yet he's going to consider the reasons why: a technical fault is possible but he just got clowned on because he underestimated Kenobi last episode. The alternative, cautious consideration then, is that they're stalling for some reason, and if there's a chance Kenobi is trying to bait him into wasting some or all of his fighter compliment, Vader's going to want to deduce why rather than underestimate him a second time.
That seems entirely out of character, however. They've harped on and on about how goal focused and impatient he is, and (especially in Clone Wars) legit hypredrive failures are almost an everyday part of his lived experience.
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Grimskul wrote: Ugh, the ending part with Reva was dumb as usual. Pretty much no explanation for how she survived the gut wound besides "sith hate stronk". With how little development she has, her subplot really seems rushed and unearned with her heelturn, I really would have preferred if Owen ended up shooting her in the head when she was talking with Obi-Wan. Seems like a really bad set up for her to have her own spin-off show, so hopefully the generally bad reception to the show makes them second guess or deter her from being a main lead.
That seems 100% a writer issue, not an actress issue.
A Force character straddling the GrimDark and NobleBright (but philosophically stupid) would be a refreshing change. Especially without a pre-scripted fate.
Voss wrote: Doesn't track. Vader wouldn't give a dead womp rat about 'recovering Ties,' especially while chasing Kenobi.
Maybe not, but in his situation if the ship hasn't jumped to light speed yet he's going to consider the reasons why: a technical fault is possible but he just got clowned on because he underestimated Kenobi last episode. The alternative, cautious consideration then, is that they're stalling for some reason, and if there's a chance Kenobi is trying to bait him into wasting some or all of his fighter compliment, Vader's going to want to deduce why rather than underestimate him a second time.
That seems entirely out of character, however. They've harped on and on about how goal focused and impatient he is, and (especially in Clone Wars) legit hypredrive failures are almost an everyday part of his lived experience.
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Grimskul wrote: Ugh, the ending part with Reva was dumb as usual. Pretty much no explanation for how she survived the gut wound besides "sith hate stronk". With how little development she has, her subplot really seems rushed and unearned with her heelturn, I really would have preferred if Owen ended up shooting her in the head when she was talking with Obi-Wan. Seems like a really bad set up for her to have her own spin-off show, so hopefully the generally bad reception to the show makes them second guess or deter her from being a main lead.
That seems 100% a writer issue, not an actress issue.
A Force character straddling the GrimDark and NobleBright (but philosophically stupid) would be a refreshing change. Especially without a pre-scripted fate.
I'm pretty iffy on the actress herself personally, but it's definitely more on the writer's side of her depiction being handled so poorly. The dumb part is that whole "grey jedi" not Sith/not Jedi thing was already handled way better with people like Asajj Ventress and even Ahsokha to some extent.
Having been a Jedi, she won’t have really known her family, and now she’s walked away from a clearly traumatic 10 years.
She may fall back on Jedi instincts and get involved in The Rebellion. But she’s also relatively free to just…..sod off. Live her life for her for the first time. Vader and The Grand Inquisitor both believe she’s dead, so provided she doesn’t go drawing too much attention? As Obi-Wan said, she is free.
Nobody is looking for her. She may well simply Exit Stage Left and live out her days in peace and quiet.
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The upside is that maybe whoever handles the Reva character next will have a better shot at the character. Her problem throughout Obi-Wan was being an overwrought plot device with bad character development. Maybe another story/writer can use her for something better.
If anyone bothers to tune in if it ever happens. To be fair, she wouldn't be the first addition to the universe to be loathed at her introduction only to go on and become a huge and fan loved character in the hands of better writers and after getting a lot more development (Ahsoka says hi).
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I just finished the season finally and I think I can give a verdict to the show.
Overall, I would give it a solid 7.5/10. The first two episodes were probably the weakest and the last two were by far the best. The scenario was pretty basic, but fine enough. My biggest gripes were actually rather inconsequential choices like the two Leia chasse scenes which were rendered ridiculous by the slow running speed of the actress. The "hiding Leia in the trench coat" was also a stupid choice though also completely without consequences.
The greatest quality was the acting of both McGregor and the child actress playing Leia (seriously, it's really rare to see such good acting from kids). Whoever played Vader's body was also excellent and both Christensen and James Earl Johns did a great job for the rest. The dramatic scenes like Obi-Wan and Vader's two encounters, Reva's betrayal and the death of the rebel leader were pretty darn on point; even from a visual standpoint.
The biggest thing I get out of this series though is that it really shines a huge spotlight on the biggest weaknesses of the the OT, especially the Vader is Luke Skywalker's father and Obi-Wan Kenobi's former friend and apprentice plot point and the pretty terrible acting performance of Alec Guinness (amongst others). Considering the intensity of the last duel between Vader and Kenobi during the season finally and even more of their conversation afterward, every scene acted by Guinness look so underwhelming and emotionless.
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The show gets better as you watch. Ep 5-6 were great. Really bad episode 1.... not sure why. I just didnt like it. It was really clunky
Reva is a mary sue but.... I no longer hate her as a character. If they hire new writers I can see her being great in another setting. I don't think the across was the best choice. Actress is barely in anything. I think they could have casted Lesley Ann-Brandt and she would have had a lot more anger/sith/evil sort of vibe.
Overall: Far better than Boba Fett, and I'd say this is as good as Mando. However if you're not into SW I'd say Mando would be a better show.
Music was comfy
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Actually, this is where I would have a mild "comparison" critique. All live action Star Wars have an awesome soundtrack. Even the Book of Boba, which was very meh at best, had an excellent score. Obi-Wan Kenobi had an okay to good score which makes it comparatively weaker than the other shows in the franchise.
It's actually as present as in any other Star Wars movie of series, perhaps even a little bit more. the "Inquisitor Brass Chorus" is currently stuck in my head.
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AduroT wrote: Reva is in no way a Mary Sue. She’d have to actually be successful or overly competent for that. She only manages about a 50% track rate.
Honestly 50% is probably generous since most of everything she did in the series was 'according to plan' and the plan wasn't hers. She spent the entire show being played by someone.
And on top of that there's nothing wrong with the actress. She carries herself as someone seething with anger and drive quite well. The problem is that the writing completely left her out to dry for most of the series. The moments in episode 5 that should have been the biggest for her character were IMO, done badly on the part of direction and production. They completely undersold her reveal moment with Kenobi (putting a stupid amount of emotion and drama into another character who frankly, is a pointless extra) and then the whole thing with Vader just felt like they wanted everyone to see how awesome Vader is while Reva just gets stomped with no real showing. Even when someone loses you can make them seem cool.
Reva was the narrative equivalent of cannon fodder but somehow she's supposed to feel like her own character except for the whole point of cannon fodder being that they're utterly expendable.
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LordofHats wrote: the whole thing with Vader just felt like they wanted everyone to see how awesome Vader is while Reva just gets stomped with no real showing. Even when someone loses you can make them seem cool.
I do agree that the duel between Reva and Vader was basically a huge curb stomping that mostly served to show how unbeatable Vader can be to a normal Jedi/Sith. They could have given her a slightly better showing by letting her at least put up some resistance though I don't think it would have changed anything significant, but it does fit the Star Wars narrative when it comes to fights. If you go in angry with the aim to kill, you always lose. In a sense Vader feeds off her anger towards him to beat her up with it; he doesn't even intend to kill so much so as to make her suffer. Vader also beats down Obi-Wan when it seems the later goes into a fight either afraid or angry at him and its only when Obi-Wan focuses on the people he loves and desires to protect that he can defeat him. In the same vein, when Luke first fight Vader and gets his ass kicked, he is trying to kill him or at beat him to avenge Ben and his father. When they fight again, he wants to save him and his sister and that's when he wins. The only time a character wins a fight in which they wanted to kill the enemy for revenge is when Obi-Wan defeats Maul in the Phantom Menace.
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Star Wars continues to suffer from its preposterously bizarre relationship with time. Somehow in the first few minutes of ep 6 alone, we learn that Vader has apparently been chasing Kenobi's blockade runner so long, Reva has somehow managed to find her way off the lifeless rock she was left on.
To wit I point out Star Wars continues to suffer from its preposterously bizarre relationship with barren wastelands. Where on this barren wasteland did Reva find a ship to get off the planet and get all the way to Tatoinne? It almost feels like Reva was meant to die but then they added this bit on for the series to pad out the run time.
I call bs on Obi-wan leaving Vader to live. God what an anti-climatic clap trap. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's done solely because they both have to live but Obi-Wan also apparently isn't allowed to lose or whatever so he has to win the fight, be one step away from a huge victory, and then just let it go for zero reason. Completely ruins a potentially epic moment in Vader showing kindness to his old master, which maybe was meant to mean Obi-Wan spared Anakain cause there was still good in him? Seems to completely contradict what he said to Luke so that can't be it. What a waste of a scene.
They could have even just had him sense that Luke was in danger and run off. I would have bought that and it's especially eye rolling because they do that right after he spares Vader for no reason. You lazy gaks you could have done that in post!
fething dumb.
They never ever address why people wouldn't keep going after Leia for Obi-wan. They explain why Vader doesn't, but what about the inquisitors? I can think of reasons but it feels lazy on the writers part to leave this gapping hole here. In the end the entire plot seems to just ask us to forget all the reasons the plot started with and clap for the happy ending.
I guess we'll see Reva again but as for her role in this series, yeah. They left it really unclear why Reva went after Luke. The obvious reason is she figured out he was Anakin's kid, but the story doesn't do anything to support that and if Luke is just some kid Obi-Wan is protecting then why does she care? Then she just lets him live and... yeah.
Who gives a gak anymore? Stuff just happens with this character in this series and it's nothing but an overlong trailer to her own plotline or whatever. Another entry in the Chrome-Punk Biker gang club of characters who are introduced to sell a spinoff later but are pointless in the series they're actually introduced in. Shame for the character. Shame for me. Better luck next time I guess.
Things I liked;
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Lightsaber battles really are just better without all the jumping and flipping and completely absurdly overdone choreography. The final fight between Vader and Kenobi is really really a great return to the simpler choreography of the OT and it's really nice.
At least in like, the first third. Then we're back to the overdone spinning and force rocks stuff. Works better in video games than film. Oh well take what I can get.
I'd almost complain about the sudden reveal that Owen and Beru are badasses (this is how characters can 'lose' and still be cool) but it's honestly awesome so I'ma not complain about it. Owen and his wife are fething awesome.
Finally, they did actually do something with Vader's apparently cooler attitude in ANH. Kind of lazy the way they did it, but I guess it works. Who wants to bet we'll get a Vader series at some point about Vader getting better at the Dark Side? There's a range of popular comics that are basically all about that.
6/10 or whatever. I feel like the last 2 episodes really fell apart narratively, suffering from how the story started as a film plot and mismanaged one of the key characters for the story constantly hurt the show. McGregor and Blair as Obi-Wan and Leia are the highlights of the cast.
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LordofHats wrote: Where on this barren wasteland did Reva find a ship to get off the planet and get all the way to Tatoinne?
That's definitely not an issue IMO. Yeah, the planet is a wasteland but her fight with Vader takes place at the local spaceport facility and we'd already seen at least one extra ship available to use as a decoy. It's not really straining plausibility much to assume she was able to find another ship nearby.
I call bs on Obi-wan leaving Vader to live. God what an anti-climatic clap trap. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's done solely because they both have to live but Obi-Wan also apparently isn't allowed to lose or whatever so he has to win the fight, be one step away from a huge victory, and then just let it go for zero reason. Completely ruins a potentially epic moment in Vader showing kindness to his old master, which maybe was meant to mean Obi-Wan spared Anakain cause there was still good in him? Seems to completely contradict what he said to Luke so that can't be it. What a waste of a scene.
This I absolutely disagree with. Vader can't win because any confrontation between them has to fit Vader's "now I am the master" line in ANH. Obi Wan can evade the confrontation and have their ROTS duel be the last fight that Vader is referring to, or they can fight and Obi Wan wins. And I don't think sparing him has anything to do with seeing good in him. He just can't bring himself to kill his old friend as he sits helpless on the ground. You see in his expression that he knows he needs to do it for the greater good and that Anakin is gone, but he can't overcome his own feelings and has to leave. IMO it's as good a resolution as we're going to get given the assumption that they fight at all.
They could have even just had him sense that Luke was in danger and run off. I would have bought that and it's especially eye rolling because they do that right after he spares Vader for no reason. You lazy gaks you could have done that in post!
IMO that would make much less sense. You're determined to kill Vader but can't spare a few seconds to finish him off before running away to save Luke? When the biggest thing you could do to protect Luke is to kill the guy who would stop at nothing to get him if he ever found out Luke exists? That would have felt like such an awkward Because Plot Said So moment.
They explain why Vader doesn't, but what about the inquisitors?
This was explained. The boss inquisitor explicitly calls Reva an idiot for going after a senator's kid and only goes along with the plan because the damage is already done.
Mary Sue's are typically characters where everything comes super easy to them, have abilities that they shouldn't realistically have (ie. never earned/trained for), they suffer no setbacks, and win at everything forever without any adequate explanation. So, basically Rey in Episodes 8 and 9.
Reva did not experience such luxury.
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CadianSgtBob wrote: He just can't bring himself to kill his old friend as he sits helpless on the ground.
He seemed to have no problem trying to get Luke to kill him later and why did he even bother facing Vader if he wasn't going to finish it? Why pursue him after being given a get away card?
It's nonsense. Maybe they're just trying to canonize the Obi-Wan and Yoda are psychopaths meme.
IMO it's as good a resolution as we're going to get given the assumption that they fight at all.
Hogwash. There's a thousand ways to write a fight in such a way that both characters end up reading a draw as a win/getting what they wanted out of it. That just takes more effort than anyone bothered to put into this ending after writing themselves into a corner they were too lazy to write themselves out of. You could have easily ended the fight with the rock burying and Obi-Wan survive and go to save Luke right after cause disturbance in the force. Both characters would feel like they'd gotten what they wanted. Vader would feel like he won (becoming the master) and Obi-Wan would get away. Instead, Obi-Wan has Anakin on his knees, can end Vader forever, and just walks off with no explanation given except he obviously can't kill Vader. Hell they could have ended the fight in a draw with both Vader and Obi-Wan feeling defeated but neither able to keep fighting.
Lots of ways to do it. What we got makes zero sense.
That would have felt like such an awkward Because Plot Said So moment.
... Really? I don't even disagree with you. I agree it's 'because the plot said so' but at least there the plot actually says so. What we got was 'because the plot.' They didn't even bother with the says so, let alone a confrontation that ends in a way that makes sense.
The last time Obi-Wan left Anakin alive he had a good reason to think he'd die anyway. Here he just says kay bye and walks off and he has no reason to think Leia is safe. We the audience know what happens but he has zero reason to think that whatsoever.
This was explained. The boss inquisitor explicitly calls Reva an idiot for going after a senator's kid and only goes along with the plan because the damage is already done.
I'm the one who pointed that out earlier, except ep 5 reveals the GI wanted Reva to go after Obi-Wan all along cause it was the plan and ep 6 makes it look like he cares more about the rebels than Obi-Wan so why not pursue Leia from that angle? It would have taken all of 30 seconds to establish a reason why this didn't happen. Instead it's just 'shrugs' the senate I guess.
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I want an ickLeia show. Stat. In a show of objectively competent acting she seriously stands out as something special. Looking the part is easy. But effortlessly convincing everyone you are a younger version of a beloved, iconic character is phenomenal. Mannerisms? Got ‘em. Attitude? Yup. Motivations? Oh yes. She even convinced as a chip off her parent’s old block. All four of them, counting her adoptive parents.
My favourite moments are her “no, screw you, I am doing that”, folk knowing better than to get in her way (and not because she’s a spoiled brat), yet also her still being Just A Kiddo.
And hey. They’ve got nine years of “we know she got home safe, then turns up on Tantive IV” to drop a story in to.
Literally the only downside to this plan is Weird Creepy Men On The Internet going a bit Millie Bobby Brown for her. Because let’s face it that is going to happen because We Can’t Just Have Nice Tnings.
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Unlike the Falcon, this freighter clearly is an exceptionally well constructed piece of junk.
One thing I think would have worked a lot better in a film is recognizing that the whole traveling group exists to evade Imperial capture. I feel like that element gets lost in the 3 episodes where we hang out with this Path, but in a movie it would have had to be more focused.
He seemed to have no problem trying to get Luke to kill him later and why did he even bother facing Vader if he wasn't going to finish it? Why pursue him after being given a get away card?
It's nonsense. Maybe they're just trying to canonize the Obi-Wan and Yoda are psychopaths meme.
Yeah, there's basically zero defending this one. It doesn't make sense in any context. I was waiting for some neutral solution but they just had.... nothing.
Cool fight though. Enjoyed it on the whole.
The bit that bothered me most was honestly Luke being attacked by Reva. I went back and watched it though, and honestly I think it comes down to a moment of bad editing. The actual shots are framed in such a way that Luke never sees the Lightsaber. He's supposed to have escaped before he sees it in the house and she doesn't ignite it again until after he's knocked unconscious. He just sees a cloaked figure in the dark attacking, which is totally believable to be a Tusken.
The problem is there's ONE shot where they cut it too quick and it seems pretty impossible for him to have not seen the saber inside the hut. Just a little sloppy and wouldn't have taken much to edit correctly.
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I would have preferred something unexpected/hinted earlier might happen to interfere the fight before kenobi can finish it. Somebody intervene/scenery breaks up due to fight forcing separation/something so that kenobi clearly won(fitting anh) but overall enjoyable fight. When they first mentioned rematch was fearing worse.
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LordofHats wrote: . Vader would feel like he won (becoming the master) and Obi-Wan would get away.
Sure. If you want to break anh...
Vader couldn't feel like a master. Remember vader said last time they met obi wan was the master.
There were still ways to resolve but it needs to end so obi wan was the winner and vader knew it.
There was no need to introduce contradiction to what has been told just for sake of it nor was there need to have obi wan just...leave.
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LordofHats wrote: He seemed to have no problem trying to get Luke to kill him later and why did he even bother facing Vader if he wasn't going to finish it? Why pursue him after being given a get away card?
He tried to get Luke to do it after a decade of sitting alone in the desert thinking about his mistakes. Is it really that hard to understand how he could have an emotional crisis in the moment but get over it with time?
And I'm sure he intended to finish it. That lightsaber blow to Vader's head was probably intended to be lethal. But there's a huge difference between killing someone in a fight to the death and killing your old friend as he lies helpless on the ground. That's why you see him move to finish off Vader, hesitate, and fail to overcome his feelings. And it's just like how Reva arrives on Tatooine fully intending to kill Luke but can't finish it once the moment comes.
Vader would feel like he won (becoming the master)
Again, Vader can't win this fight. Vader says very clearly in ANH that Obi Wan was the master last time they met, meaning Obi Wan won their last encounter. Vader indisputably must lose this fight and know he lost, and that was determined the moment they decided to have an actual confrontation in the show instead of a futile chase.
I'm the one who pointed that out earlier, except ep 5 reveals the GI wanted Reva to go after Obi-Wan all along cause it was the plan
I don't think it was a specific plan involving Reva, just a general "let her be angry and give me an opening". If nothing else he certainly didn't come up with a plan that involved hoping the near-fatal lightsaber wound wouldn't be just a bit more lethal. "Go after Obi Wan" is still compatible with "don't be an idiot and kidnap a senator's kid", and it's reasonable to expect him to avoid repeating the plan without Reva around to take all the blame.
and ep 6 makes it look like he cares more about the rebels than Obi-Wan so why not pursue Leia from that angle?
Because Leia isn't a rebel. He wants the potential jedi and the people helping them escape, not the random kid who is just along for the ride. And if he wants them more than Obi Wan he certainly isn't going to be screwing around chasing a random kid whose sole relevance is possibly being bait for Obi Wan.
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I can see Obi not wanting to execute the wounded Darth as he sits on the ground due to emotional reasons, but I do object to saying he was helpless. Vader has been in similar states before and still killed people. When you’ve got emotion and willpower powered telekinesis it takes a lot more than that to be helpless and approaching him would still be quite dangerous.
Maybe. But obi wan isn't coward and he has beaten vader twlce. I doubt he would hold back because vader might be dangerous to appoach. Attacking intact vader was even more dangerous.
The "can't get himself kill vader in cold blood once he's on ground" i can live with. Not how i would have prefered it to end but beats "he might still be dangerous".
Throughout the series Kenobi is trying to get some sort of closure with Anakin, and refers to him as Anakin all the way up until their final moment. Closure in this case would be killing Anakin, if he must, but Vader's confession that Anakin is dead because he killed him, ends that for Kenobi.
Kenobi's fight was always with Anakin but, if Anakin is dead the fight is over - but actually Vader has won.
So Kenobi walks away, recognising Darth Vader for the first time, which is why from then on he refers to him as Darth.
CadianSgtBob wrote: Again, Vader can't win this fight. Vader says very clearly in ANH that Obi Wan was the master last time they met, meaning Obi Wan won their last encounter. Vader indisputably must lose this fight and know he lost, and that was determined the moment they decided to have an actual confrontation in the show instead of a futile chase.
Time for a good, old fashioned well actually:
"When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master."
Phrased as it is this fits neither this show nor the fight on Mustafar. Both times Obi Wan was the one that left, not Vader. It's a far better fit for leaving the Jedi (and Obi Wan as his master if you prefer to look at it as a personal thing) for apprenticeship with the Sith/Palpi.
There is no need for Obi Wan to win the last fight, much less curb stomp Vader. The way it's phrased Vader cannot possibly refer to their last fight (unless they have another one in the future) and therefore the master part could easily be understood as a reminder that he's no longer the Padawan in need of guidance, which would be more fittingly underlined by getting closer to beating Obi Wan the last time than getting his face wrecked.
Personally I think the writing for this fight misses the point completely. But that's par for the course for this show, I guess.
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Why is the rum always gone?
Throughout the series Kenobi is trying to get some sort of closure with Anakin, and refers to him as Anakin all the way up until their final moment. Closure in this case would be killing Anakin, if he must, but Vader's confession that Anakin is dead because he killed him, ends that for Kenobi.
Kenobi's fight was always with Anakin but, if Anakin is dead the fight is over - but actually Vader has won.
So Kenobi walks away, recognising Darth Vader for the first time, which is why from then on he refers to him as Darth.
It also plays nicely into “no. I must face him alone”. Kenobi knew it wouldn’t be enough to just knacker the tractor beam. He needed to keep Vader off balance and focussed on him and him alone. Not just so the Princess could get away with the plans, but to prevent Vader capturing our heroes, and potentially learning two of them are his kids.
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Throughout the series Kenobi is trying to get some sort of closure with Anakin, and refers to him as Anakin all the way up until their final moment. Closure in this case would be killing Anakin, if he must, but Vader's confession that Anakin is dead because he killed him, ends that for Kenobi.
Kenobi's fight was always with Anakin but, if Anakin is dead the fight is over - but actually Vader has won.
So Kenobi walks away, recognising Darth Vader for the first time, which is why from then on he refers to him as Darth.
Also worth noting that when Vader says Obi-Wan can't Anakin, because Vader already has, it feeds into the line in ANH when Obi-Wan tells Luke that Vader killed his father. That realisation seems to be the thing that finally persuades Obi-Wan he doesn't have to atone for anything any more. He's spent all this time first thinking he killed Anakin, then realising he isn't dead so he needs to finish the job, only to find out Anakin is dead after all.
Doesn't make the fact he leaves Vader alive any less frustrating, of course.
People have a bizarrely narrow fixation on a rather vague line that can be interpreted in a lot of ways, none of which actually address the core criticism that the ending of the fight makes no sense. There's zero reason for Obi-Wan to have walked off except that he can't kill Vader because Vader is alive later and the plot doesn't bother at all to explain why he walked off. He does it for no reason after all but dealing the finishing blow.
CadianSgtBob wrote:He tried to get Luke to do it after a decade of sitting alone in the desert thinking about his mistakes. Is it really that hard to understand how he could have an emotional crisis in the moment but get over it with time?
Nope, but they didn't give us that. We got 'bye' and he walks off.
And I'm sure he intended to finish it.
Clearly he did. After being buried in rock he could have just bided his time, let Vader leave, and then slip off. Instead he pursued, clearly intending to finish what started on Mustafar. Then he just doesn't. For no reason. It would have been easy enough to just make the fight end in a draw that forced Obi to retreat and Vader to do some "I must become the master' bit, but no.
I don't think it was a specific plan involving Reva, just a general "let her be angry and give me an opening".
Ep. 5 would seem to contradict this interpretation but then again who knows? The writers clearly stopped trying at a point or the collection of scenes intended for the movie were kept as is and no one bothered to reframe their context so they'd make more sense.
Because Leia isn't a rebel.
They might think that, but they'd also think she was with some rebels not that long ago and might want to find some revels and that Leia might have information on where they last were.
Nevermind that Obi-Wan and Bail have no reason to know Palpatine called Vader off. They have no reason to even think that. They spend most of the series terrified Vader will learn about Luke and Leia and they never deal with that. They literally just walk off like 'alls well that ends well.' This is what I mean when I say lazy writers don't bother trying to think like their characters. Obi-Wan is all about protecting Luke and Leia. Why, when the biggest threat to them is defeated and on his knees, would he not protect them? All the resolution the show gives us for why they remain safe after these events are completely out of context to Bail and Obi-Wan. They have no way of knowing that stuff would happen and they never bother to explain to themselves, each other, or the audience, how Leia is now safe.
It's just 'alls well that ends well roll credits.'
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