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I much prefer weekly.

And here we go.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm hoping that season two doesn't fall into the traps of:

1. The good guys stunning/disarming/knocking out every bad guy them come across (or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths), rather than shooting them, something that plague the latter season of Rebels and bled into the final season of Clone Wars.

2. Not making every remaining clone them come across a reluctant participant in the Empire's actions.

Welp, your first hope is a bust already.

Second one had an inverse manifestation, I think?

 AduroT wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm hoping that season two doesn't fall into the traps of:

1. The good guys stunning/disarming/knocking out every bad guy them come across (or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths), rather than shooting them, something that plague the latter season of Rebels and bled into the final season of Clone Wars.

2. Not making every remaining clone them come across a reluctant participant in the Empire's actions.

Welp, your first hope is a bust already.

Called it.

Overall a solid start to the series. One thing kinda irked me though:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. The good guys stunning/disarming/knocking out every bad guy them come across (or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths), rather than shooting them, something that plague the latter season of Rebels and bled into the final season of Clone Wars.

I don't think I've ever heard the Star Wars "stun shot" sound effect as much as in these first two episodes.

Holy gak...

 Gert wrote:

Spoiler:

The weapons being on stun thing doesn't bother me. The Bad Batch are still Clones, free Clones at that. Killing their own kind, even if they were shunned by them is still something that clearly is a step too far for them. They aren't foot soldiers of a despotic regime, and nor are they freedom fighters looking to overthrow said regime, yet. Killing isn't neccesary for them.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Overall a solid start to the series. One thing kinda irked me though:

Spoiler:

In the second episode, how the hell is Tech somehow able to walk, albeit poorly, on a broken femur? Nobody is walking around on that unassisted, I don't care how much you can tough out the pain, it's not happening.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. The good guys stunning/disarming/knocking out every bad guy them come across (or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths), rather than shooting them, something that plague the latter season of Rebels and bled into the final season of Clone Wars.

I don't think I've ever heard the Star Wars "stun shot" sound effect as much as in these first two episodes.

Holy gak...

What’s odd, is as soon as it’s a crewed vehicle? Kill ‘em all!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. The good guys stunning/disarming/knocking out every bad guy them come across (or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths), rather than shooting them, something that plague the latter season of Rebels and bled into the final season of Clone Wars.

I don't think I've ever heard the Star Wars "stun shot" sound effect as much as in these first two episodes.

Holy gak...

What’s odd, is as soon as it’s a crewed vehicle? Kill ‘em all!

Bruh, that's off screen! Off screen don't count!

Wonder if Wrecker landed a shot on anyone with the tank cannon as well, cause that thing wasn’t on stun.

He caused a few deaths with the blast for certain, maybe crushed one or two with rock fall.

I don't think he actually did. I paid close attention to it (you know, for science) and I couldn't confirm a single infantry kill. Just lots of redecorated landscape with the possibility of some off screen casualties as a consequence. Direct hits on Clones? Can't say I saw any.

Well the V-Wing and Gunship crew definitely all got very dead.

Sounds more like... the A-Team!

I get why they're stunning Clones, but I felt it was amusing how I just said I want them to avoid stunning everyone and then for two episodes straight they kept stunning people.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What’s odd, is as soon as it’s a crewed vehicle? Kill ‘em all!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
...maybe crushed one or two with rock fall.

*ahem*

"... or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths..."

If they disable a ship, and the ship crashes, it's the crash that killed them, not the main characters.
If rocks fall, and everyone dies, it's the rock that killed them.

 Geifer wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Overall a solid start to the series. One thing kinda irked me though:

Spoiler:

In the second episode, how the hell is Tech somehow able to walk, albeit poorly, on a broken femur? Nobody is walking around on that unassisted, I don't care how much you can tough out the pain, it's not happening.

Spoiler:

As presented it's bogus, yes. But maybe it's only cracked or something. Painful but still load bearing. Wouldn't be the first time that Tick doesn't know what he's talking about. I think I commented on it during season 1, but Clone Force 99 is a bunch of morons. They're lucky to have Amiga as the brains of the operation.

Not sure this really warrants that much secrecy. It's barely a plot point. In any case, he says its fractured, which I took to mean a hairline fracture and not a full break.

Admittedly, I wasn't paying that close attention. This show is alright, but doesn't really hook me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I get why they're stunning Clones, but I felt it was amusing how I just said I want them to avoid stunning everyone and then for two episodes straight they kept stunning people.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What’s odd, is as soon as it’s a crewed vehicle? Kill ‘em all!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
...maybe crushed one or two with rock fall.

*ahem*

"... or indirectly causing them to fall to their deaths..."

If they disable a ship, and the ship crashes, it's the crash that killed them, not the main characters.
If rocks fall, and everyone dies, it's the rock that killed them.

It does make me think of the Collegehumor parody of Batman where he legitimately doesn't understand that he's actually killing people, that's how I feel the show treats the MC's in terms of being "non-lethal" to the enemies in the show.

"Wrecker, you just killed 30 men on that ship"

"Nah boss, they're just sleeping!"

I liked it.

I agree about the inconsistent stunning and I'd like if it was addressed in plot.

"We're gonna do our best not to kill our own kind, but you only do what you can do."

And done.

At its core the show has a problem that is could/should be a very dark show set during the Great Jedi Hunt and the Dark Times but it's also the most kid friendly and toyetic of the Star Wars shows.

It's even kid friendlier than Clone Wars since none of the core team are expendable. Heck I doubt they'd even do what they did in Mandalorian and blow up the hero ship. So if none of the main characters are at risk, nor their ship, nor any main characters from other shows... Why are you even making a show set in the darkest time of Star Wars? A Clone Wars set Bad Batch where they only fought robots would be the best way to do a kid friendly war show.

Ah well...

… robots that express fear. One of the worst failings of the Clone Wars tv series. Antagonists portrayed as not very intelligent and yet self aware enough to express fear played for comedic effect…. for kids. Ugh.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
… robots that express fear. One of the worst failings of the Clone Wars tv series. Antagonists portrayed as not very intelligent and yet self aware enough to express fear played for comedic effect…. for kids. Ugh.

That was one of the things that annoyed me that they introduced in the Clone Wars (2008) series, especially after seeing the faceless mass of death from the 2004 version that made the Separatists feel like a much bigger threat than the one that was shown in the 2008 version. You basically only really ever see the fear in regular B-1 battle droids too, which makes the least sense arguably since they're the most cannon-fodder droids in the setting so you'd expect them to have the least amount of upgrades or programming that would allow any modicum of individual thought.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
… robots that express fear. One of the worst failings of the Clone Wars tv series. Antagonists portrayed as not very intelligent and yet self aware enough to express fear played for comedic effect…. for kids. Ugh.

That was one of the things that annoyed me that they introduced in the Clone Wars (2008) series, especially after seeing the faceless mass of death from the 2004 version that made the Separatists feel like a much bigger threat than the one that was shown in the 2008 version. You basically only really ever see the fear in regular B-1 battle droids too, which makes the least sense arguably since they're the most cannon-fodder droids in the setting so you'd expect them to have the least amount of upgrades or programming that would allow any modicum of individual thought.

My take?

“Officially” they have self preservation protocols to encourage them to report threats. Kind of like evolution selecting those that assumed the big lumpy thing over there in the gloom was a hungry bear, against those who went to find out if the big lumpy thing over there in the gloom was or wasn’t a bear.

“Unofficially” Palpatine’s plan wasn’t about simply one side steamrollering the other, as he needed to cultivate the right political and social level of fear to allow him to fully seize power. Having slightly incompetent Droids that can be cowed by fear helps with that.

No idea if this is canon. It’s just my head canon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
… robots that express fear. One of the worst failings of the Clone Wars tv series. Antagonists portrayed as not very intelligent and yet self aware enough to express fear played for comedic effect…. for kids. Ugh.

That was one of the things that annoyed me that they introduced in the Clone Wars (2008) series, especially after seeing the faceless mass of death from the 2004 version that made the Separatists feel like a much bigger threat than the one that was shown in the 2008 version. You basically only really ever see the fear in regular B-1 battle droids too, which makes the least sense arguably since they're the most cannon-fodder droids in the setting so you'd expect them to have the least amount of upgrades or programming that would allow any modicum of individual thought.

My take?

“Officially” they have self preservation protocols to encourage them to report threats. Kind of like evolution selecting those that assumed the big lumpy thing over there in the gloom was a hungry bear, against those who went to find out if the big lumpy thing over there in the gloom was or wasn’t a bear.

“Unofficially” Palpatine’s plan wasn’t about simply one side steamrollering the other, as he needed to cultivate the right political and social level of fear to allow him to fully seize power. Having slightly incompetent Droids that can be cowed by fear helps with that.

No idea if this is canon. It’s just my head canon.

I think the problem with this idea is that the droids were already easily controlled remotely by shut-down codes or central servers that the Separatists learned to hide better after the Phantom Menace. You can see this being implemented in Revenge of the Sith after Anakin is sent to kill the remaining leaders of the Separatist council, so there's really no reason for droids feeling fear, especially if you're a puppeteer, where you don't want the margin of error created by having droids that suffer from fear being programmed into their subroutines. And I feel like preservation protocols at most would be just automatically uploaded to their command center to notify of potential threats, it would be as if though clones got programmed by Kaminoans to suddenly scream like a little girl everytime they saw something spooky as a way to warn their squad of potential threats.

Palpatine already engineered a status quo for the Clone Wars from having control of key players from both sides, he was only ever in danger of potentially being exposed rather than having issues of the fight going too far on one side or the other. If you're arguing from the perspective of the Republic that droids feeling fear works in Palpatine's favour, I would argue that it does the opposite, you WANT a dehumanized fearless fighting force as the enemy as it makes the Republic more desperate to give him emergency powers and military build up to keep this inhuman foe at bay.

Yeah but then the show is significantly less funny.

 Gert wrote:
Yeah but then the show is significantly less funny.

I guess? Humour is pretty subjective but even as a kid, I never laughed at the gags they put into the Phantom Menace, I doubt most kids or fans are raving about whacky battle droids and would bemoan its loss. It's not exactly Spongebob level material for the battle droid slapstick anyhow so whatever level of "funny" it is, given how unevenly interspersed it is in the show, I don't think it would be a net negative. There's plenty of kid shows where they don't overdo the humour and do a good job of comedic timing without having to rely on things that break the immersion of the show (e.g. Avatar the Last Airbender).

Unless you personally think it's funny as an adult? Kudos to you, you have much lower standards than me for what makes you laugh then!

 Grimskul wrote:
I guess? Humour is pretty subjective but even as a kid, I never laughed at the gags they put into the Phantom Menace, I doubt most kids or fans are raving about whacky battle droids and would bemoan its loss. It's not exactly Spongebob level material for the battle droid slapstick anyhow so whatever level of "funny" it is, given how unevenly interspersed it is in the show, I don't think it would be a net negative. There's plenty of kid shows where they don't overdo the humour and do a good job of comedic timing without having to rely on things that break the immersion of the show (e.g. Avatar the Last Airbender).

I mean I can't speak for every child who's ever watched Clone Wars but our group always found them funny. The bumbling goons trope is also a solid choice when it comes to basic funnies. Combine it with the fact that the Battledroids and their commanders know that they're poorly made and it makes for a pretty good running gag IMO.
Regardless of these points, you still get it very clearly shown in the show that the Separatist armies are still a threat. The Droids aren't smart and they do bumble about but there are thousands of them kicking around and the Republic is constantly on the back foot. They're a threat because they are the endless horde of mooks backed up with legions of tanks, artillery, walkers, aircraft, and starships.
It's brought up all the time in the show where some enthusiastic new person goes "Lol these Droids ain't hard", then a veteran goes "Ten Droids are easy, one hundred is not".

Unless you personally think it's funny as an adult? Kudos to you, you have much lower standards than me for what makes you laugh then!

That's just pretentious.

 Gert wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
I guess? Humour is pretty subjective but even as a kid, I never laughed at the gags they put into the Phantom Menace, I doubt most kids or fans are raving about whacky battle droids and would bemoan its loss. It's not exactly Spongebob level material for the battle droid slapstick anyhow so whatever level of "funny" it is, given how unevenly interspersed it is in the show, I don't think it would be a net negative. There's plenty of kid shows where they don't overdo the humour and do a good job of comedic timing without having to rely on things that break the immersion of the show (e.g. Avatar the Last Airbender).

I mean I can't speak for every child who's ever watched Clone Wars but our group always found them funny. The bumbling goons trope is also a solid choice when it comes to basic funnies. Combine it with the fact that the Battledroids and their commanders know that they're poorly made and it makes for a pretty good running gag IMO.
Regardless of these points, you still get it very clearly shown in the show that the Separatist armies are still a threat. The Droids aren't smart and they do bumble about but there are thousands of them kicking around and the Republic is constantly on the back foot. They're a threat because they are the endless horde of mooks backed up with legions of tanks, artillery, walkers, aircraft, and starships.
It's brought up all the time in the show where some enthusiastic new person goes "Lol these Droids ain't hard", then a veteran goes "Ten Droids are easy, one hundred is not".

Unless you personally think it's funny as an adult? Kudos to you, you have much lower standards than me for what makes you laugh then!

That's just pretentious.

I dunno, the bumbling goons trope usually only works for a bit since it gets pretty old for an entire series and definitely not when it comes to establishing one side as a threat if it's the mainstay of the enemy (which is why usually commando droids and other droid army variants get highlighted more towards the end of the Clone Wars series). Even Star Wars Rebels realized that when they killed off the two Imperias Aresko and Taskmaster Myles Grint by the Grand Inquisitor, it was a shift into the Empire becoming a more serious threat to the rebels on Lothal, though I guess you must have really hated seeing them die then.

B-1s were always overly comical. Roger, Roger is a Phantom Menace thing.

I pity the fool who doesn't find B1s funny.

 Grimskul wrote:
Palpatine already engineered a status quo for the Clone Wars from having control of key players from both sides, he was only ever in danger of potentially being exposed rather than having issues of the fight going too far on one side or the other. If you're arguing from the perspective of the Republic that droids feeling fear works in Palpatine's favour, I would argue that it does the opposite, you WANT a dehumanized fearless fighting force as the enemy as it makes the Republic more desperate to give him emergency powers and military build up to keep this inhuman foe at bay.

You could argue that an inhuman droid army is better as an adversary, but the troops that are exposed to them and see them in action are indoctrinated cultists with a hate boner for Sith and clone troops with genetically enhanced obedience. What filters back to the civilian populations is pretty much what Republic propaganda allows to be shown. It's pretty moot what the actual Separatist army looks like as long as it is a substantial military threat and has a Sith visibly in charge.

On the other hand the Separatists seceded due to the tyranny they suspected the Republic to slip into. From their perspective they're the good guys, and that is more easily reinforced if the people that interact with Separatist troops see droids with quirky personalities as is reasonably common in the setting instead of dour murderbots.

 Gert wrote:
Regardless of these points, you still get it very clearly shown in the show that the Separatist armies are still a threat. The Droids aren't smart and they do bumble about but there are thousands of them kicking around and the Republic is constantly on the back foot. They're a threat because they are the endless horde of mooks backed up with legions of tanks, artillery, walkers, aircraft, and starships.
It's brought up all the time in the show where some enthusiastic new person goes "Lol these Droids ain't hard", then a veteran goes "Ten Droids are easy, one hundred is not".

I think you're forgetting the key part here. In the show, Clones are allowed to die and the heroes are allowed to lose battles. The Droid army is actually shown to be a threat, at least occasionally. A few funny B1 lines do nothing to mitigate that, in my opinion.