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The copium and mental gymnastics of trying to justify the lack of forethought in the first episode's bad writing is really peak SW fandom right now. It's written there to move the plot forward, and done in a bad way, it's not a sin to admit that.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder if the SW stans in the thread would try and argue that the line "Somehow Palpatine returned" is a cinematic masterpiece and totally something that was foreshadowed because it was teased in a damn Fortnite collab.
Grimskul wrote: The copium and mental gymnastics of trying to justify the lack of forethought in the first episode's bad writing is really peak SW fandom right now. It's written there to move the plot forward, and done in a bad way, it's not a sin to admit that.
The copium and mental gymnastics of trying to find reasons to hate on the first episode writing is really peak SW anti-fandom right now.
The reality is that it's not the best by-the-book decision by the captain but it's also not some incomprehensible act of plot. If you're a cop IRL and someone keeps bugging you with "IM A JEDI YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME ALL THE AREA 51 ALIENS OR IM GOING TO FORCE CHOKE YOU" it might technically not be the by-the-book thing to do but I bet you're going to be tempted to slap some cuffs on the moron and drag them down to the station for a little reminder in how to properly respect your authority. And maybe you'll throw in some assault charges for their vicious attempts to cripple you by smashing their face into your boot. Worst case scenario he's a little stronger than you thought and you have to "fear for your life", unload your gun into him, and take a paid vacation as punishment. At no point are you going to be seriously considering the possibility that the guy is actually a real jedi who is going to slaughter an entire station full of cops with his magic powers.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Let’s not say things we can’t take back.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned” is comedy genius. I hadn’t laughed that hard in a theater since Dame Judy Den h looked me straight in the soul and informed me that a cat is not a dog.
Okay, I actually laughed harder at “The dead speak!”. But still, comedy gold!
Grimskul wrote: The copium and mental gymnastics of trying to justify the lack of forethought in the first episode's bad writing is really peak SW fandom right now. It's written there to move the plot forward, and done in a bad way, it's not a sin to admit that.
The copium and mental gymnastics of trying to find reasons to hate on the first episode writing is really peak SW anti-fandom right now.
The reality is that it's not the best by-the-book decision by the captain but it's also not some incomprehensible act of plot. If you're a cop IRL and someone keeps bugging you with "IM A JEDI YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME ALL THE AREA 51 ALIENS OR IM GOING TO FORCE CHOKE YOU" it might technically not be the by-the-book thing to do but I bet you're going to be tempted to slap some cuffs on the moron and drag them down to the station for a little reminder in how to properly respect your authority. And maybe you'll throw in some assault charges for their vicious attempts to cripple you by smashing their face into your boot. Worst case scenario he's a little stronger than you thought and you have to "fear for your life", unload your gun into him, and take a paid vacation as punishment. At no point are you going to be seriously considering the possibility that the guy is actually a real jedi who is going to slaughter an entire station full of cops with his magic powers.
Doing a "No U" take on my statement kinda proves my point that you guys have the SW stan blinders on. The fact you're getting this defensive over a scene that doesn't make much narrative or even in-world sense shows that you know it's really only there for the spectacle of seeing hapless New Republic guys get sliced up rather than any real substance of internal consistency of the actual scene.
Furthermore, your example is not even remotely similar because this is a high security prisoner transfer, not a random beat cop getting harassed by a drugged up vagrant. A closer equivalent would be doing a prisoner transfer to a Supermax prison, and letting a very suspicious unmarked truck come alongside with your security detail on your way to the prison because it has "I'm totes FBI" painted on the side of it. I noticed you didn't address the very real concern that there could be anything on that ship that isn't Jedi, you know bombs, assassin droids or any number of things that could be a threat to the lives of the crew on the ship that has nothing to do with being alleged Jedi? Calling someone's bluff by letting them onboard when your one job is to prevent anything happening to the prisoner on the ship is the complete opposite of anyone who would be trained to do that job should do. You don't just let random people visit the place where the prisoner is, go ahead and try going to a prison and see if saying you're the President of the United States gives you access to high level gangsters, I'm sure you'll be super successful.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned” is comedy genius. I hadn’t laughed that hard in a theater since Dame Judy Den h looked me straight in the soul and informed me that a cat is not a dog.
Okay, I actually laughed harder at “The dead speak!”. But still, comedy gold!
That's pretty much the only value I got out of the movie was the sheer absurdity of several dumb one liners like this.
"THEY FLY NOW?!? THEY FLY NOW" was another gob-smackingly dumb line given that dark troopers and jet troopers existed for years already.
It would be funnier if it wasn't actually canon.
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i'd interpret that remark by baylan has him just being elitist and dismissive of Erza and Ahsoka as "not real jedi", given he is, as i understand the current canon, the sole remaining person who was a fully ordained Jedi Knight.
I agree that's likely Baylan's intention, but he still gave the fans a category they slapped on a bunch of Wookiepedia articles moments after the episodes release.
Just saw that Enoch is played by “I am that guy” Amos from The Expanse. I’m rooting for him, whatever comes!
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chaos0xomega wrote: Then again, is Luke a jedi? He wasn't exactly trained by the order, but he was trained by a grand masterof the order who considered him a jedi?
Y'know, I had never actually thought about that... Yoda said Luke wouldn't actually be a Jedi until he killed Vader. And Luke didn't kill Vader... Palpatine did. Luke's attachment to his father was too strong, and he flat out refused to kill him. So by the standard set by Yoda, at least, Luke never actually became a Jedi.
chaos0xomega wrote: Then again, is Luke a jedi? He wasn't exactly trained by the order, but he was trained by a grand masterof the order who considered him a jedi?
Y'know, I had never actually thought about that... Yoda said Luke wouldn't actually be a Jedi until he killed Vader. And Luke didn't kill Vader... Palpatine did. Luke's attachment to his father was too strong, and he flat out refused to kill him. So by the standard set by Yoda, at least, Luke never actually became a Jedi.
Not quite. Yoda says he must confront Vader, not that he must kill him. It's implied because Yoda doesn't believe another outcome is possible but Luke does satisfy the requirement.
chaos0xomega wrote: Then again, is Luke a jedi? He wasn't exactly trained by the order, but he was trained by a grand masterof the order who considered him a jedi?
Y'know, I had never actually thought about that... Yoda said Luke wouldn't actually be a Jedi until he killed Vader. And Luke didn't kill Vader... Palpatine did. Luke's attachment to his father was too strong, and he flat out refused to kill him. So by the standard set by Yoda, at least, Luke never actually became a Jedi.
except Yoda never said "you must kill vader" his EXACT words where...
"Vader, you must confront Vader, only then, a jedi will you be"
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: Chopper could sound Mediterranean if you pronounce the Ch like in “Chanukah”. But then it would sound like Khapper, which…how old was Ezra when he joined the Rebellion? Oh dear.
Ezra was 14 or 15 or so in rebels season one, fun fact he's EXACTLY the same age as Luke, we know this because not only is his age the same, but thanks to the rebels episode "empire day" we know he shares a birthday with Luke and Leia
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Grimskul wrote: The fact you're getting this defensive over a scene that doesn't make much narrative or even in-world sense shows that you know it's really only there for the spectacle of seeing hapless New Republic guys get sliced up rather than any real substance of internal consistency of the actual scene.
Then what does it say about you that you're getting this aggressive over the same scene? You're pulling the classic black knight move of posting all of your objections to a thing and then insisting that any comments disagreeing with you are invalid because nobody should care about that thing.
Furthermore, your example is not even remotely similar because this is a high security prisoner transfer, not a random beat cop getting harassed by a drugged up vagrant.
And this is a mile-long space battleship not some cops hauling a guy in the back of a car. Even in the worst case scenario all they have to do is order the blast doors closed and send in troops to finish off the attackers. The only reason the bad guys succeeded is because they were invulnerable gods of combat wielding literal magic and a whole bunch of plot armor.
chaos0xomega wrote: Then again, is Luke a jedi? He wasn't exactly trained by the order, but he was trained by a grand masterof the order who considered him a jedi?
Y'know, I had never actually thought about that... Yoda said Luke wouldn't actually be a Jedi until he killed Vader. And Luke didn't kill Vader... Palpatine did. Luke's attachment to his father was too strong, and he flat out refused to kill him. So by the standard set by Yoda, at least, Luke never actually became a Jedi.
Not quite. Yoda says he must confront Vader, not that he must kill him. It's implied because Yoda doesn't believe another outcome is possible but Luke does satisfy the requirement.
It's also further implied by Luke telling Obi Wan a few minutes later that "I can't kill my father,' and Obi Wan replying "Then the Empire has already won." They both believed that killing Vader was the only way forward and doing so was Luke's final trial, which by the standards imposed on the Jedi in the Prequels, Luke clearly failed due to his attachment to his father.
insaniak wrote: It's also further implied by Luke telling Obi Wan a few minutes later that "I can't kill my father,' and Obi Wan replying "Then the Empire has already won." They both believed that killing Vader was the only way forward and doing so was Luke's final trial, which by the standards imposed on the Jedi in the Prequels, Luke clearly failed due to his attachment to his father.
Finding an alternate solution that accomplishes the same goal is not failing the trial. The task was to confront Vader, not get credit for the kill. Both of them believed a fight to the death was the only way to win but nothing they said establishes it as the only acceptable outcome.
ThePaintingOwl wrote: Finding an alternate solution that accomplishes the same goal is not failing the trial.
It should be when the solution is based on something that is expressly forbidden to Jedi...
Luke's solution was fine when RotJ was made. It's less fine with the strictures placed on Jedi by the prequels.
Ultimately, it's not a big deal... just something I thought was amusing. In the end, he's still a Jedi because the people in charge of the universe decided that he would go on to be a Jedi.
As a former cop and soldier, I found the actions of the New Republic Captain completely plausible. A mistake but a plausible mistake. The line between confidence and arrogance is a thin one and good cops/soldiers need strong confidence to be successful. You have to be willing to take calculated risks. You can not always just put things off and expect someone else to sort it out. The very nature of those in conflict management roles is to take action to resolve things. That is the essence of command.
As a sci-fi fan, I can see several other famous sci-fi commanding officers (Kirk, Picard, Sheridan, Adama) making similar decisions but being successful where the New Republic Captain failed.
I am very much enjoying Ashoka. It is not perfect but it is pretty good. I do not see poor writing at work, just some decisions I would not have made.
Sabine annoys me a bit but her actions seem consistent. I like the slow, deliberate mannerisms of Ashoka.
I am ok with the show being about more than Ashoka. I hope we see Zeb. Chopper is great. Huyang is outstanding. (Droid slavery increasingly annoys me even more every time we get another strong Droid character)
It is interesting to see how animated some folks posting on here are getting about the show and the franchise itself.
I must admit I cringe every time I see someone complain about the show being boring and too slow. I like the slower, more thoughtful approach to the story telling, like Andor. Folks that like faster action shows are constantly being given big blockbusters from Michael Bay. It seems rare to slow things down. If anything, with a streaming tv series platform I wish they would slow down more. I would like to see more things explored, explained and detailed. I want to be immersed in the universe.
It is incredibly frustrating to me to not find out what the deal was with the cybernetic creature on Mandalore (the one that captured Din). So much Beskar left there…. thinking about it, The Mandalorian was outstanding in the first season and went down hill after that. The whole IG-88 (Edit: IG-11) still confuses me.
I hope Ashoka does not let me down…
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Thrawn was more malicious than I was expecting but then I have only seen a couple episodes of Rebels and what I saw of Thrawn in them he seemed an interesting villain. There has been so much admiration expressed for Thrawn online I got the impression that he was “not that bad” but I did not get that from what we have seen so far in Ashoka. He seemed quite quick to betray Baylan.
Speaking of Baylan…. Outstanding character. I just wish we would get more of him. And his apprentice. I did not like her at first but she has been growing on me. The world is a lesser place without Ray Stevenson. It would have been great for him to have gotten more roles before his passing.
Sci-fi Crab people. Brilliantly Jim Henson-esque. Perfect Star Wars vibe in my opinion and I think I will be sad to see we will not get one as a named main character. I have no idea how they put clothes on with those shells and Mrs. GG pointed out even the baby had a shell.
I had a fun moment watching the episode with Mrs. GG when she saw Thrawn‘s ship and she said, “That looks like a zombie ship.” She has very little knowledge of the extended Star Wars lore behind the 9 Skaywalker Saga core movies. And I had read the spoilers on here before seeing the episode so suspected something was up with the Stormtroopers and Witches. So I thought that was a neat thing for her to think just from that visual cue. She also spotted the damage on Thrawn's uniform that I had missed.
The bandits in the Wasteland seemed a bit too uniform to just be random nomads but I may be reading the costuming cue incorrectly and they may have just tried to make them look cool without meaning anything more. Maybe I misheard it but they did sound a lot like Tuskens. An audible cue to help the audience?
And the speed of Ashoka has meant even though it may feel plodding to some, some things did feel unearned, like the relationship between Sabine and her mount. I could have watched a lot more of that relationship being built up.
As for Yoda… as a kid I thought he was infallible. As a much older man I take everything he said with a large pinch of salt. As for Obi-Wan, I start getting cognitive dissonance when I try to think about how the franchise has changed him from what Sir Alec Guiness gave us.
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I think the “is Luke a real Jedi?” question is answered by the simple response “who’s going to argue with him?” There are very, very few people left in the galaxy who actually know anything detailed about how the order worked, so for the vast majority, if the guy with the magic tricks and the buzzy laser sword says he’s a Jedi, he’s a Jedi.
One of the bits I really liked in the sequel trilogy was Yoda burning down the the Jedi texts, on the basis that it’s all a load of worthless dogma and what matters is whether you’re a good person. I thought it was good character development for Yoda and gave them a great out to stop all of these canon clashes.
(One of my least favourite bits is them immediately walking it back by Rey having already taken the books )
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Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
There’s an ongoing Yoda comic right now, stories of his glory days, interspersed with scenes in the swamp where he’s super depressed about what he views as his failure to stop Palpatine’s rise and he’s kind of trying to ignore Obi’s force ghost and reject getting involved.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: It is incredibly frustrating to me to not find out what the deal was with the cybernetic creature on Mandalore (the one that captured Din). So much Beskar left there…. thinking about it, The Mandalorian was outstanding in the first season and went down hill after that. The whole IG-88 plot still confuses me.
I think the IG-11 plot is meant to resolve the situation with Nevarro's marshal vacancy. I don't know if it's because Disney dropped Gina Carano or if Cara Dune was supposed meant to leave that job behind as part of her move to her own show, but either way Nevarro was left without their head of security.
The way I see it, the writers included the initial droid subplot so Din could get involved in IG-11's restoration, only for that to fail and not become a part of the main quest. Then in the end, when he's offered the job of marshal, he can decline yet still look good taking responsibility for Nevarro's safety by offering an alternate, equally capable candidate.
Thrawn was more malicious than I was expecting but then I have only seen a couple episodes of Rebels and what I saw of Thrawn in them he seemed an interesting villain. There has been so much admiration expressed for Thrawn online I got the impression that he was “not that bad” but I did not get that from what we have seen so far in Ashoka. He seemed quite quick to betray Baylan.
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Thrawn is ruthlessly calculating and a devoted Imperial officer. He's probably the opposite of "not that bad". What stands out about him is that he's actually competent. It's easy to come to like that when every other Imperial officer is some shade of incompetent. Thrawn in Rebels provides an adversary who requires the heroes to actually work for their victories, and who can and does strike a meaningful blow against the rebellion. In my opinion that's what makes him an enticing character. For all we're told about the almost impossible struggle of the rebels against the mighty Empire, it never shows when the Imperials in charge are almost universally pompous and arrogant fools who bring about their own defeat. Thrawn is very much the opposite of that. He's good for storytelling, because putting in the work to defeat him actually makes the heroes look good.
Baylan is introduced to Thrawn as a mercenary and former Jedi, which should make him an expendable asset and a possible liability with goals of his own and the power to make them happen. I'd view dealing with Baylan more as prudence than betrayal on Thrawn's part. Neither owes the other any loyalty, after all.
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Why is the rum always gone?
Importantly, Baylan is someone Thrawn can’t easily research and study in his preferred way.
Sure, he probably could find some kind of Jedi archive or similar. But the intervening….25 years? Total Mystery. That makes him less predictable. And a potentially serious spanner in Thrawn’s plans. Shin likewise is, to Thrawn, a total wildcard, even before you throw in force powers.
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Grumpy Gnome wrote: I must admit I cringe every time I see someone complain about the show being boring and too slow. I like the slower, more thoughtful approach to the story telling, like Andor. Folks that like faster action shows are constantly being given big blockbusters from Michael Bay. It seems rare to slow things down. If anything, with a streaming tv series platform I wish they would slow down more. I would like to see more things explored, explained and detailed. I want to be immersed in the universe.
As someone who's complained about the pacing, this is a complete misrepresentation of my problem. I also liked Andor. I don't require 3 lightsaber fights and a starship battle per episode to stay engaged. But if you're going to write an 8-episode season with at least a couple of 30-minute episodes, you need to use that time wisely. The pacing in Ahsoka has been weird in general and I disagree with the decision to dedicate and entire episode to the world-between-worlds just as the plot should be picking up the pace. Slowing things down is fine, but you need to have a reason for it. It also needs to fit in the overall tone.
Andor was quite a personal piece, about one man and his struggles to fit in and find his place. You need to do a lot of character exploration in that kind of series. Ahsoka is apparently about the return of Thrawn and some grand threat to the New Republic with galaxy-spanning implications. The gravity of the plot is at odds with the decisions taken about pacing, IMO.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: It is incredibly frustrating to me to not find out what the deal was with the cybernetic creature on Mandalore (the one that captured Din). So much Beskar left there…. thinking about it, The Mandalorian was outstanding in the first season and went down hill after that. The whole IG-88 plot still confuses me.
I think the IG-11 plot is meant to resolve the situation with Nevarro's marshal vacancy. I don't know if it's because Disney dropped Gina Carano or if Cara Dune was supposed meant to leave that job behind as part of her move to her own show, but either way Nevarro was left without their head of security.
The way I see it, the writers included the initial droid subplot so Din could get involved in IG-11's restoration, only for that to fail and not become a part of the main quest. Then in the end, when he's offered the job of marshal, he can decline yet still look good taking responsibility for Nevarro's safety by offering an alternate, equally capable candidate.
Thrawn was more malicious than I was expecting but then I have only seen a couple episodes of Rebels and what I saw of Thrawn in them he seemed an interesting villain. There has been so much admiration expressed for Thrawn online I got the impression that he was “not that bad” but I did not get that from what we have seen so far in Ashoka. He seemed quite quick to betray Baylan.
Spoiler:
Thrawn is ruthlessly calculating and a devoted Imperial officer. He's probably the opposite of "not that bad". What stands out about him is that he's actually competent. It's easy to come to like that when every other Imperial officer is some shade of incompetent. Thrawn in Rebels provides an adversary who requires the heroes to actually work for their victories, and who can and does strike a meaningful blow against the rebellion. In my opinion that's what makes him an enticing character. For all we're told about the almost impossible struggle of the rebels against the mighty Empire, it never shows when the Imperials in charge are almost universally pompous and arrogant fools who bring about their own defeat. Thrawn is very much the opposite of that. He's good for storytelling, because putting in the work to defeat him actually makes the heroes look good.
Baylan is introduced to Thrawn as a mercenary and former Jedi, which should make him an expendable asset and a possible liability with goals of his own and the power to make them happen. I'd view dealing with Baylan more as prudence than betrayal on Thrawn's part. Neither owes the other any loyalty, after all.
I get what you are saying but feel the IG-11 plot is all over the place. It is disjointed. But that makes some sense if it is a case of writers trying to react quickly to Gina Carano getting fired. But only some sense. It seems to me different writers had different opinions on IG-11 as a character.
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Geifer, you and MDG make some excellent points regarding Thrawn. I need to watch more of the Rebels series it would seem.
Edit: Slipspace, I think this season of Ashoka is designed precisely to build up character foundations for an upcoming film. I have not found it too slow for that. But your mileage may vary. That said considering how much of Andor was not about just Cassian Andor and the Mandalorian was not just about Din then it seems to me Ashoka bridges a gap between between those two shows in tone. And Ashoka needs to explore characters that some folks may know from the animated series but others do not… and how they may have changed over the years.
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Grumpy Gnome wrote: I get what you are saying but feel the IG-11 plot is all over the place. It is disjointed. But that makes some sense if it is a case of writers trying to react quickly to Gina Carano getting fired. But only some sense. It seems to me different writers had different opinions on IG-11 as a character.
Yeah, Mando season three has a lot of problems. IG-11 is just one more issue on the long list of things that could have been handled better, unfortunately.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
chaos0xomega wrote: Then again, is Luke a jedi? He wasn't exactly trained by the order, but he was trained by a grand masterof the order who considered him a jedi?
Y'know, I had never actually thought about that... Yoda said Luke wouldn't actually be a Jedi until he killed Vader. And Luke didn't kill Vader... Palpatine did. Luke's attachment to his father was too strong, and he flat out refused to kill him. So by the standard set by Yoda, at least, Luke never actually became a Jedi.
Not quite. Yoda says he must confront Vader, not that he must kill him. It's implied because Yoda doesn't believe another outcome is possible but Luke does satisfy the requirement.
It's also further implied by Luke telling Obi Wan a few minutes later that "I can't kill my father,' and Obi Wan replying "Then the Empire has already won." They both believed that killing Vader was the only way forward and doing so was Luke's final trial, which by the standards imposed on the Jedi in the Prequels, Luke clearly failed due to his attachment to his father.
I’d argue that Luke did kill Vader, from a certain point of view… he brought about Anakin’s return which was the end of Vader. As a result, Palpatine killed Anakin.
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Geifer describes it well, but Thrawn's appeal is definitely not that he is a likeable guy but that he's a villain worth fearing. He was solid in Rebels but his legend was really forged in the original Heir to the Empire novels that really revived interest in Star Wars. Since we're spoilering:
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Thrawn makes his mark by regularly subverting expectations, partiuclarly in the way he's presented back in '91. He's set up in pretty standard villain leader scenarios but then doesn't follow the playbook. He retreats when he can't win and focuses on completing his missions rather than beating the heroes.
In many ways what makes his original depiction so strong is that while his actions are generally cruel and he's clearly the villain, he makes the kind of decisions that normally are what let the heroes win. He's written something like an evil protagonist and that results in a threat that readers quickly come to respect.
Thrawn is kind of Wider Military Strategy incarnate.
He is the big picture. He himself is largely devoid of passion and emotions, remaining cool, calm and calculated.
He knows that glory today means nothing if it end in defeat tomorrow.
He understands that ensuring a tactical defeat at points A and D, will draw the overall enemy out of position, allowing points B, C, E and F to be completely overwhelmed when you launch your true attack.
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Thrawn was more malicious than I was expecting but then I have only seen a couple episodes of Rebels and what I saw of Thrawn in them he seemed an interesting villain. There has been so much admiration expressed for Thrawn online I got the impression that he was “not that bad” but I did not get that from what we have seen so far in Ashoka. He seemed quite quick to betray Baylan.
The book Thrawn was a highly effective authoritarian military commander/state. An Alexander the Great style character (as the empire he built fell on his death). So while he was authoritarian within a fascist empire, after that fell he proceeded to construct an authoritarian state out of the chaos left behind, so more freedom for people within a framework rather than the total control aimed for by the empire. This was I think best captured in the books when they remarked they don't require conscription anymore, as recruitment of volunteers is now high enough. I suppose they wouldn't do that now in SW because it would look a bit like a Chinese state.
Thrawn is ruthlessly calculating and a devoted Imperial officer. He's probably the opposite of "not that bad". What stands out about him is that he's actually competent. It's easy to come to like that when every other Imperial officer is some shade of incompetent.
He's also a credible commander in terms of having loyalty from his troops. Written as the commander you want to have in the Empire if you aren't personally ambitious as you have the best chance of coming out of the other end alive.
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