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Pacific wrote: Have to say have really been enjoying Ahsoka, really well put together show. I wouldn't say it's the force of nature that Andor was, but I would definitely put it up there with the Mandalorian. Although it's interesting to find that my suspension of disbelief is not broken by someone surviving a light-sabre through the torso, but was by someone giving themselves that haircut with a combat knife.
It's also made me go and watch the Clone Wars, which I completely missed when it was released. Did think it was a children's cartoon, as some of the plot lines are extremely two-dimensional (and the artwork style along with it) but then you have scenes like droids cutting through the hulls of immobile ships so the crew get sucked out into space! (Which felt a bit incongruous)
Clone Wars can be a bit all over the shop in terms of tone. But, for my money? The excellent outweighs the ropey. Arguably not necessarily in quantity (D-Squad for instance is overly long, and really not terribly good), but certainly in just how high quality it can be.
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Pacific wrote: Have to say have really been enjoying Ahsoka, really well put together show. I wouldn't say it's the force of nature that Andor was, but I would definitely put it up there with the Mandalorian. Although it's interesting to find that my suspension of disbelief is not broken by someone surviving a light-sabre through the torso, but was by someone giving themselves that haircut with a combat knife.
It's also made me go and watch the Clone Wars, which I completely missed when it was released. Did think it was a children's cartoon, as some of the plot lines are extremely two-dimensional (and the artwork style along with it) but then you have scenes like droids cutting through the hulls of immobile ships so the crew get sucked out into space! (Which felt a bit incongruous)
Clone Wars can be a bit all over the shop in terms of tone. But, for my money? The excellent outweighs the ropey. Arguably not necessarily in quantity (D-Squad for instance is overly long, and really not terribly good), but certainly in just how high quality it can be.
I consider it pretty similar to Dr. Who. You really do not need to watch the whole thing, but if you can find a list of the top 10 story arcs they are some of the best Star Wars content out there and absolutely worth watching without following the whole thing.
Pacific wrote: Have to say have really been enjoying Ahsoka, really well put together show. I wouldn't say it's the force of nature that Andor was, but I would definitely put it up there with the Mandalorian. Although it's interesting to find that my suspension of disbelief is not broken by someone surviving a light-sabre through the torso, but was by someone giving themselves that haircut with a combat knife.
That bugged me too. Not for the combat knife exactly, but the method. Hair doesn't cut well in a clump.
However, I mostly like the show. Well, the Sabine and Ahsoka show. Hera and the New Republic seems meandering and pointless beyond 'politicians bad,' and keeps interrupting the flow with no real payoff.
Baylon (Baylan? Baylin?) also feels like a side-story that's going nowhere. His cycle theory is pretty standard storytelling schlock but I don't think it fits well at all, as it implies somehow the Jedi create the Sith when they're on top rather than just being clueless. He's also just...
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gonna go camp out somewhere on this planet for reasons? And just abandoned his apprentice to do... whatever it is.
It feels like he's here to have the actor here, rather than a character with a meaningful role in the story. (Unless it was to set up a spin-off show)
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Unlike Shin, who's by far my favorite, for being half-feral and wearing a fantastic outfit. Needs more fleshing out beyond her Master claiming she's 'ambitious' however, because her reactions to everyone else on 'her side' hit me as deeply negative when they're doing shady stuff. There's an interesting story there for a random force sensitive from a hard life, partially trained by a bitter ex-Jedi.
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I like this Thrawn more than book Thrawn, because what's informing his decisions (who taught Ahsoka and how) seems more relevant than 'this species pre-space flight art magically lets me know that they turn right after exiting hyperspace.'
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My big bugbear? Ahsoka's out of body experience.
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Because 'fight, fight, fight, swordfighting, fight' seems like a weird approach for an enlightenment trip. Especially since it caps off with rising (as if from the dead) as Ahsoka the White. There were so many shades of Gandalf the White and (bizarrely) original Battlestar Galactica's devil/angel episodes in the back half of that little trip. And for a philosophy about being 'calm and at peace' for Force use, its really weird to use 'conflict all the time' as a framework and get holy enlightenment out of the deal.
Sabine is... fine. Her story arc puts her at too young for where she actually is in life (she's relearning teenage life lessons she already learned in Rebels), and it doesn't really seem like she's learning much, but in theory this isn't her show. But it feels like it is.
Ezra is happy and boring. Better than whiny brat Ezra, but still not a character I actually care about.
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Because 'fight, fight, fight, swordfighting, fight' seems like a weird approach for an enlightenment trip. Especially since it caps off with rising (as if from the dead) as Ahsoka the White. There were so many shades of Gandalf the White and (bizarrely) original Battlestar Galactica's devil/angel episodes in the back half of that little trip. And for a philosophy about being 'calm and at peace' for Force use, its really weird to use 'conflict all the time' as a framework and get holy enlightenment out of the deal.
So, this sequence is very much an Ahsoka deep cut with very little explicit definition, but its really not about learning a lesson of calm and peace or anything holy as much as it is about accepting the darkness within as a part of the whole.
Ahsoka has a running theme of seeing herself as tainted and that her actions can only spread her corruption further. In her childhood the Jedi were counselors and mediators, but the order she joined was caught up exclusively in violence and death. She learned of the Force mostly as a weapon from a man who would go on to crush the galaxy with an iron fist and effectively wipe the Jedi order from existence. This is the legacy she feels she has to offer the galaxy and as a result largely tries not to interfere. Most of what she taught Sabine isn't really what she learned, but what she thought she should have been taught based on what she believed the Jedi were before the Clone Wars.
Anakin shows her the past that cannot be changed and then his own darkness not as the monster he became but as the man she knew. He then gives her a simple choice; live and act with the darkness or continue to do nothing until death. That darkness is a part of Ahsoka but it doesn't have to define her. She accepts it, her past and herself and opens herself up to the idea that she has good to offer, just as Anakin was able to mostly offer her the Light he carried. It's about her learning to stop fearing herself and being willing to open up to others again.
At least, that's my take on it. Admittedly, its very much not an explicitly defined episode and very open to interpretation, but that's what I think they're going for.
Ahsoka has a running theme of seeing herself as tainted and that her actions can only spread her corruption further.
Can you give examples of this 'running theme' outside this specific episode?
I'm not trying to be funny, I just don't see that as relevant to her character anywhere. Including 5 minutes later.
Most of what she taught Sabine isn't really what she learned, but what she thought she should have been taught based on what she believed the Jedi were before the Clone Wars.
Most of what she taught Sabine seemed to be sword forms and that she (Sabine) couldn't be trusted.
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Jadenim wrote: There seems to be less misogyny in this version, so go us?
Amen for that. Personally, I think a lot of people who took the misogyny line in their complaints because they aren't deep/introspective enough to analyze the film with a critical eye and figure out the thing that actually bothered them. They looked for surface-level (non-)issues and latched on to them as a proxy for deep-rooted problems. Basically, "huh, I didn't enjoy that, but I can't put my finger on it.... must be the woke feminist agenda ruining am otherwise perfect movie!"
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Ahsoka has a running theme of seeing herself as tainted and that her actions can only spread her corruption further.
Can you give examples of this 'running theme' outside this specific episode?
I'm not trying to be funny, I just don't see that as relevant to her character anywhere. Including 5 minutes later.
It's present in a lot of the post Clone Wars stuff. Generally pretty understated, but they like to have moments where she "doesn't want to get involved". A lot of this is an excuse as to why she's not in the OT and didn't train Luke, but the writers have weaved it into a lot of her appearances, particularly after the duel with Vader. Probably most notably when she's very unwilling to help train Grogu. It's also what shakes her resolve in the duel with Baylan when he talks about her legacy of unorthodox masters (2 of which became Sith lords within her lifetime). That's the real meat of the "few lived to see what he would become" speech.
chaos0xomega wrote: Amen for that. Personally, I think a lot of people who took the misogyny line in their complaints because they aren't deep/introspective enough to analyze the film with a critical eye and figure out the thing that actually bothered them. They looked for surface-level (non-)issues and latched on to them as a proxy for deep-rooted problems. Basically, "huh, I didn't enjoy that, but I can't put my finger on it.... must be the woke feminist agenda ruining am otherwise perfect movie!"
Nah, you're over-thinking this one. The "WOKE FEMINAZIS RUINED STAR WARS" nonsense wasn't people trying their best to understand why they didn't like the movies, it was politically motivated propaganda outlets starting from the premise the everything is "woke" and then looking for examples to complain about. They do the same thing with every piece of media no matter how much the critics and/or fans like it and none of it is worth taking seriously, it's just empty noise. Attempting to come up with any kind of rational thought process behind it is an exercise in futility.
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Voss wrote: Hera and the New Republic seems meandering and pointless beyond 'politicians bad,' and keeps interrupting the flow with no real payoff.
I think this is really where Disney's reluctance to just trash the sequels entirely is hurting the show. None of the Hera storyline matters much except in the context of trying to bridge the gap between the end of ROTJ and the incoherent mess of the sequels. I get why they're doing it but it's annoying that every post-ROTJ show has to spend at least some time trying to make up for bad writing elsewhere instead of focusing on its own story.
It feels like he's here to have the actor here, rather than a character with a meaningful role in the story. (Unless it was to set up a spin-off show)
My guess would be that he was originally there for a more significant story but because the actor died we're going to end up disappointed and his whole "my destiny is elsewhere" bit will end up being nothing more than a reference to fighting Ahsoka a few minutes later. It's really unfortunate because all the hints could have turned into something good but it's hard to judge the writers over something they had no control over.
Sabine is... fine. Her story arc puts her at too young for where she actually is in life (she's relearning teenage life lessons she already learned in Rebels), and it doesn't really seem like she's learning much, but in theory this isn't her show. But it feels like it is.
TBH it fits. Maybe it's less satisfying if you watched Rebels and you're tired of repeating the same arc but as a stand-alone show it makes sense. She lived through a lot at a young age and it's not surprising that a traumatic background would lead to not really growing up like a normal person.
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TBH it fits. Maybe it's less satisfying if you watched Rebels and you're tired of repeating the same arc but as a stand-alone show it makes sense. She lived through a lot at a young age and it's not surprising that a traumatic background would lead to not really growing up like a normal person.
Actually my problem is more that she DOES feel like a normal person. But... a disaffected late 20s/early 30s American person, not a Star Wars person who's seen the war. (Or all the stuff that happened in Rebels, so yeah, that definitely played into it. She grew into her responsibilities there, but starts this show as more of a brat than when she was introduced)
Its not as apparent in the later episodes as it was in episode 1, but fething off from her responsibilities to take a joy ride and hang out with her cat was a huge debt to overcome, as well refusing to deal with Ahsoka and actually listen (though Ahsoka was just as bad).
Ahsoka has a running theme of seeing herself as tainted and that her actions can only spread her corruption further.
Can you give examples of this 'running theme' outside this specific episode?
I'm not trying to be funny, I just don't see that as relevant to her character anywhere. Including 5 minutes later.
It's present in a lot of the post Clone Wars stuff. Generally pretty understated, but they like to have moments where she "doesn't want to get involved". A lot of this is an excuse as to why she's not in the OT and didn't train Luke, but the writers have weaved it into a lot of her appearances, particularly after the duel with Vader. Probably most notably when she's very unwilling to help train Grogu. It's also what shakes her resolve in the duel with Baylan when he talks about her legacy of unorthodox masters (2 of which became Sith lords within her lifetime). That's the real meat of the "few lived to see what he would become" speech.
She's not in the OT because she didn't exist (both in a meta sense at the time of the OT and she also time traveled) and also she and Sabine went to look for Ezra. She was also Fulcrum, which is the opposite of not being involved.
Grogu... I don't see it- she has stuff to do that doesn't involve raising a feral baby. I don't think there was much self-doubt or soul searching there.
The Baylan thing hit me weird, because as neither fish nor fowl, he's got no room to talk. Unorthodoxy was also one of the few positive traits of Obi and Ani, given how the Jedi order was consistently portrayed as lunkheads.
She's also basically the Chosen of the Incarnation of the Light Side, so... yeah. As stupid as that was, it doesn't leave much room for doubt as to which side she's on.
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Voss wrote: Actually my problem is more that she DOES feel like a normal person. But... a disaffected late 20s/early 30s American person, not a Star Wars person who's seen the war. (Or all the stuff that happened in Rebels, so yeah, that definitely played into it. She grew into her responsibilities there, but starts this show as more of a brat than when she was introduced)
Its not as apparent in the later episodes as it was in episode 1, but fething off from her responsibilities to take a joy ride and hang out with her cat was a huge debt to overcome, as well refusing to deal with Ahsoka and actually listen (though Ahsoka was just as bad).
I think it fits. She accepted some responsibility during the war but that was with the pressure to be a good soldier and do her job, with severe consequences for failing. At the start of Ahsoka the war has been over for a while and she's free to say " all this, I've done my part and now I'm going to go have fun". And why not? What's the worst that can happen if she blows off a ceremony? Some annoying politicians whine about it? Once Ahsoka shows up and gives her something serious to worry about she clashes with Ahsoka and wants to do things he way but doesn't just blatantly blow off her responsibilities. Each thinks they're right and the other is hopelessly wrong but she's still doing what she thinks is the best thing for the goal of finding Ezra, not blowing it all off and telling someone else to worry about it.
Another thing to consider is Sabine's likely suffering from an EXTREME case of "survivor's guilt" I mean first Ezra then her entire culture?
That should mess someone up
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BrianDavion wrote: Another thing to consider is Sabine's likely suffering from an EXTREME case of "survivor's guilt" I mean first Ezra then her entire culture?
That should mess someone up
Sure. But again, that's not the kind of 'messed up' that comes across from the character. She's a young person that doesn't want the bother of being an adult, not someone dealing with guilt or psychological issues.
She wants her friend back for herself, not for him or what they sacrificed, or anything like that.
She doesn't want to ruin the joy of the moment with all the problems she absolutely should tell him about. She just wants that moment. And the next morning. And the casual 'relocate the camp' trip. She wants to put off her responsibilities until the universe kicks them both in the face.
It's also worth keeping in mind that liberation day on Lothal marks the day Ezra was lost. That makes it a day everyone else wants to celebrate, but Sabine decidedly does not. I would expect that sentiment to get worse with each year Ezra remains MIA, so I had no issues with how Sabine was portrayed in the first episode.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Star Wars related, and some pretty telling quotes in there about the success(Mando) or lack thereof (everything else) regarding newer stuff.
RIP Galactic Star Cruiser, this weekend is the "final voyage". I didn't even know you existed until I heard you were going out of business!
Looking at the price, holy feth. No wonder it closed.
Also (for context, floaters and swimmers are terms for certain types of guests, as explained in article)
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According to Lanzisero, Disney could have made the hotel more attractive for the floaters and swimmers by bringing in more of the original cast of characters, rather than just characters from newer movies.
“So many people have that idea of the Star Wars universe that was formed by those earlier films. And I think we’ve had kind of an oversight on Disney’s part not to let people spend more time in those worlds, choosing those worlds from the earlier films and those characters from the earlier films,” he told News 6.
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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. – Disney announced earlier this year that the company would be closing its Star Wars-themed “Galactic Starcruiser” hotel, with its final voyage scheduled from Sept. 28-30.
The announcement came as returning CEO Robert Iger implements his plan to cut back on an estimated $5.5 billion in costs for the company, including thousands of job cuts and the cancellation of its Lake Nona project.
While the hotel wasn’t spared in the company’s cost-saving measures, former Disney Imagineer Ryan Harmon told News 6 that there were steps Disney could have taken to make it work better.
Harmon worked as a show writer and concept designer for several Disney projects before taking on the role of president at Zeitgeist, a California-based production company that helps design attractions for entertainment brands.
He discussed the Galactic Starcruiser hotel with News 6 and pointed out that the project wasn’t exactly budget-friendly.
“They created an experience that only can host up to (about) 400 guests... When you have that few guests, you cannot operate with a large staff because those people cost a lot of money,” Harmon said. “And the concept they developed is very heavy on employees — employees who wear costumes and are part of the story.”
The hotel features an immersive experience that allows guests to role-play as characters in a unique story within the fictional Star Wars universe. However, that acts as a double-edged sword, Harmon explained.
“The hotel did not have a pool, not sure it had a gym. It was kind of Star Wars all the time, 24/7,” he said. “And for somebody who is a floater and probably even a swimmer, it’s too much!”
A standard cabin rate for two guests in 2022 would cost $1,209 per guest per night — or $4,809 total.
Harmon’s colleague, Joe Lanzisero — another former Imagineer who worked with Disney for nearly 40 years — explained that “floaters” are those who know about a certain franchise and might even like it, even though they haven’t seen many of the movies. Meanwhile, “swimmers” are bigger fans of the franchise who are more invested than the floaters — but they still aren’t the biggest.
That title goes to the “divers,” but there just aren’t enough of those sorts of fans to sustain the hotel, Lanzisero argued.
“I think where Disney kind of lost their way with the whole Star Wars book — with the Galaxy’s Edge and with the hotel — is that they went in with this assumption that everyone was an Uber fan, everybody was a diver,” Lanzisero said. “That everybody coming into the experience would have a deep, deep, deep understanding and connection with the brand.”
Harmon added that the cost of the hotel was too much for those who aren’t huge fans of the original source material.
Harmon and Lanzisero argued that not enough classic characters appeared at Galactic Starcruiser to appeal to a wider variety of fans.
“It’s really hard nowadays to justify spending anywhere near $1,000 to $2,000 a night to stay in what’s not even a very nice hotel to be part of the story,” Harmon said. “It’s just, it’s beyond people’s reach, I think, especially during the pandemic.”
According to Lanzisero, Disney could have made the hotel more attractive for the floaters and swimmers by bringing in more of the original cast of characters, rather than just characters from newer movies.
“So many people have that idea of the Star Wars universe that was formed by those earlier films. And I think we’ve had kind of an oversight on Disney’s part not to let people spend more time in those worlds, choosing those worlds from the earlier films and those characters from the earlier films,” he told News 6.
As an example, Harmon noted that he visited Galaxy’s Edge in California years ago around when “The Mandalorian” TV series had initially been released. At that time, he couldn’t find any Baby Yoda dolls for his young daughter.
“The employees literally told us that Grogu — or Baby Yoda — does not exist in that world,” Harmon explained. “That land or place exists between this story in this film this year, and that character doesn’t exist at that time.”
Harmon argues that because the resort tried to emphasize the franchise’s canon by removing characters that didn’t belong — much like how Galactic Starcruiser omits characters to let guests explore the modern films — they were leaving money on the table.
“Let’s fast forward to about a year or two ago. And guess what? Everywhere in Galaxy’s Edge — Baby Yoda dolls,” Harmon said.
Lanzisero mirrored Harmon’s thoughts, discussing a Winnie the Pooh attraction he helped work on in Tokyo.
“When we first sat down to do that attraction, we kind of made a list of what were all the things that people remember from the Winnie the Pooh films. And this is not about telling a story of the film,” Lanzisero said. “It was those moments and those places that we knew people expect to see. ‘I want to go to the 100 Acre Wood. I want to bounce with Tigger. I want to hear that Heffalumps and Woozles song.’”
Between the steep prices, the lack of typical hotel amenities, and the reliance on modern characters in the franchise, the hotel was a tough sell for many guests.
Despite the shortcomings, however, Harmon said he had to give credit where credit is due.
He explained that while the hotel wasn’t necessarily the success that Disney wanted, it did give fans something to be excited about.
“I would definitely applaud Disney and the management and the team for taking the risk to create an overnight immersive experience because until then, it really didn’t exist,” Harmon said. “And it’s definitely what people want and where things are going. If you look at the success of Comic Con, for example, people want to roleplay, they like to dress up, they want to be immersed in the story, and they want to have agency.”
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chaos0xomega wrote: I dunno, as a kid watching ANH, Luke being able to pilot an X-Wing wasn't something that required explaining to me, and it still isn't. He drove a flying car and was referred to as being a pilot at least once in the movie. He lives in a galaxy where people fly around from planet to planet in mere moments and down-on-their-luck low-lives are able to afford their own personal spaceships. Thats all the exposition I needed. In this world, flying a starship is like driving a car in our world. Anyone can do it. Boom. Done. No need to think about it further.
That and we are directly told by Obi-Wan that Luke is actually the son of a powerful Jedi Knight & like his father the Force is strong in him.
●Luke is the main hero in ANH.
●Its mentioned how he's allready a good (T-16 - whatever that mught be) pilot & good at targeting.
●And he's inherited his father's Force powers.
So yeah, of course he's going to be able to fly that X-Wing in the 3rd act. Its how movies & stories work. It wasn't hard for 7 year old me to figure out or accept....
Though here in 2023, after having watched 3 prequels, SW: Clone Wars, Rebles (having watched Chopper pilot & gun the Ghost), etc? One has to wonder how much of what we ascribe to Luke as a rookie X-Wing pilot should really be credited to R2-D2.....
R2 is afterall a 20 year combat veteran, has participated in ground combat, fought/flown in 2 Wars & multiple side adventures by the time he serves with Luke in that X-Wing.
And that's what we've seen on screen.
Luke's got quite the advantage in the battle of Yavin.
Natural talent + combat veteran riding shotgun + magic + storytelling trope = Success!
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The internet tends to amplify negativity. When you were a kid no one was posting a constant feed of “Top 10 Plot Holes in Star Wars” and jumping into every excited conversation with a dissenting opinion.
“You may be the hottest bush pilot this side of mos eisley, but those little skyhoppers are dangerous. Keep it up and one day whammo, you could end up a dark spot on the downside of a cavern wall”
ccs wrote: ●Its mentioned how he's allready a good (T-16 - whatever that mught be) pilot & good at targeting.
The T-16 skyhopper was a personal repulsorlift airspeeder manufactured by the Incom Corporation (who also manufactured the T-65B X-wing).
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Hopefully they’ll find a way to develop the intended Baylan story line, in a book or something.
Sabine refusing to disclose critical, need-to-know information to Ezra just so she can pretend to be happy for a few more hours… is so incredibly off-putting I find it hard to believe Sabine isn’t supposed to be turning heel. We’re supposed to like this character?
ccs wrote: ●Its mentioned how he's already a good (T-16 - whatever that might be) pilot & good at targeting.
The T-16 skyhopper was a personal repulsorlift airspeeder manufactured by the Incom Corporation (who also manufactured the T-65B X-wing).
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Lol. Seriously, what makes you think that by now here in 2023 I don't know what a T-16 is?
(that mystery was solved a few weeks after I 1st saw the movie in '77. I opened a pack of SW trading cards from Topps. One of the cards showed Luke playing with the model & named it as the T-16 Skyhopper)
You also completely missed the point though.
What exactly a T-16 was wasn't important to 7 year old me. At least not as far as understanding how Luke could easily pilot that X-wing. He was said to be good at piloting T-16s. And that X-wing controls weren't much different than them. So....
That no toy of the T-16 was available? THAT was the important part.
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ccs wrote: Lol. Seriously, what makes you think that by now here in 2023 I don't know what a T-16 is?
Maybe because of what you wrote and I quoted?
ccs wrote: ●Its mentioned how he's already a good (T-16 - whatever that might be) pilot & good at targeting.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
His meaning was clear: that’s the information the movie itself gives you. Watching the film, he might not know what a T-16 is but he does hear Luke say he’s not a bad pilot himself and the X-Wings are not too different from T-16s, and he bulls-eyes wamprats.
Ahhh, but! X-Wings and T-16’s being made by the same manufacturer, with near identical controls is 100% expanded universe info.
And it’s like suggesting that someone who’s not bad at flying a Cessna can therefore pilot an F16 with identical aplomb. Which is silly.
But to get back to the true core of this spin off topic?
Folk on the Internet were apparently upset that Rey could do things without us knowing a detailed history of Rey. Whilst not appreciating that many of Luke’s exploits were clarified in external media. And yes, that does include the novelisation of the film.
Likewise in Empire Strikes Back? We see Luke use The Force to summon his lightsaber to his hand in the Wampa cave. A feat first shown in that scene.
Yet…..when Rey uses The Force to resist Kylo Ren’s mind probe, the same weirdos at least pretended to be upset that she couldn’t possibly have done that without someone training her, because how else could she possibly just sort of…..figure it out,
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Don't forget Luke doesn't just know how to fly T-16s. Remember in the bar when they are hiring Han, Luke notes that the amount of money that Han wants is enough to get close to buying a starship; and shows no qualms about being able to fly it.
This suggests that Luke is potentially skilled at flying more than just a T-16 and has at least trained to fly space capable craft. Most likely considering his intention to join the fleets, he's been involved in youth training programs and other schemes that the Empire runs so that they can have a ready body of able recruits by the time they mature.
The T-16 is simply famous as its the only specific craft he mentions flying and whilst also using it to shoot with.
Honestly a lot of what Rey does is kind of shown in the early part of the first film she's in and a lot of what she does is fine. My issue is the state of everyone else. All the character who's back history we know from the first 3 films have changed, sometimes drastically. Plus the state of the Galaxy itself has changed. Rey is fine, she's new, she's fresh and we don't know her past and that's fine. It's all the loose ends of everyone else that's the problem.
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all this, I've done my part and now I'm going to go have fun". And why not? What's the worst that can happen if she blows off a ceremony? Some annoying politicians whine about it? Once Ahsoka shows up and gives her something serious to worry about she clashes with Ahsoka and wants to do things he way but doesn't just blatantly blow off her responsibilities. Each thinks they're right and the other is hopelessly wrong but she's still doing what she thinks is the best thing for the goal of finding Ezra, not blowing it all off and telling someone else to worry about it.
