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Star Wars street being Star Wars street, and Qimir is the one part of the show that seems to have been universally (or near) appreciated even by critics of the show.
LordofHats wrote: Qimir is the one part of the show that seems to have been universally (or near) appreciated even by critics of the show.
And the news of the show being gak canned dropped on the birthday of Manny Jacinto, (Qimir/The Stranger) Aug 19.
Show business is harsh!
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Thargrim wrote: I'm not surprised it was cancelled, same way I wasn't surprised about Willow beng cancelled. Willow was almost like a grounded swords and sorcery type movie, with most of it's fans being a bit older now. Yet they made a show that felt more fantastical and aimed at a young audience, a baffling decision.
Yeah, but Willow season one was actually good.
This. Willow was actually fun and well done. I'm still mad about it being cancelled. Also in what way was the movie much more grounded than the show? Honest question because the Willow I grew up loving had animated furniture, entire armies being morphed into other species, talking animal wizards, entire kingdoms frozen in ice/time, giant two headed moat monsters. The grounding for a pretty fantastical world was there. I'm actually mad they pulled it from the damn platform cause I wanted to watch it all together again and didn't get to before they nabbed it.
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And that's why I loath this modern age of streaming - not only can shows jump around but they can outright be pulled and you will never find them again. With the great risk that if they are pulled and tax-written-off then the originals might even be destroyed/lost to time and you are never ever getting them back
Don't get me wrong I freaking love that we are even getting a chance at shows like Willow and Dark Crystal even being made, even if they die early. But when things just VANISH or are never accessible off-stream that makes me sad
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Thargrim wrote: I'm not surprised it was cancelled, same way I wasn't surprised about Willow beng cancelled. Willow was almost like a grounded swords and sorcery type movie, with most of it's fans being a bit older now. Yet they made a show that felt more fantastical and aimed at a young audience, a baffling decision.
Yeah, but Willow season one was actually good.
This. Willow was actually fun and well done. I'm still mad about it being cancelled. Also in what way was the movie much more grounded than the show? Honest question because the Willow I grew up loving had animated furniture, entire armies being morphed into other species, talking animal wizards, entire kingdoms frozen in ice/time, giant two headed moat monsters. The grounding for a pretty fantastical world was there. I'm actually mad they pulled it from the damn platform cause I wanted to watch it all together again and didn't get to before they nabbed it.
I think it has to do with the aesthetic, much more environmental cgi and fantasy environments. The monsters in the movie are very fantasy but environmentally it wasn't as over the top. The show's cost to produce ballooned over 150 million which is kinda staggering. Viewership and ratings were apparently bad enough that they removed it from streaming entirely to cut costs. It wasn't the worst thing i've ever seen but it felt 'off' to me, something about it just didn't feel like the movie. Also the characterization of Willow in the show kinda reminded me of Luke from The Last Jedi, and that is not a good thing as far as i'm concerned. Actually now that I just googled it, I see headlines that seem to indicate that the influence from TLJ was intentional. Just more deconstruction of peoples childhood heroes is what I see.
I absolutely didn't get the Luke vibe from Willow. But it's been over a year since I watched it and because it got pulled from streaming I'm not able to watch it at all :(
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Good to have a date for season two. I'm going to watch season one again closer to the time. Haven't gotten around to it yet, even though it's perpetually on my to do list...
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Overread wrote: Dark Crystal even being made, even if they die early. But when things just VANISH or are never accessible off-stream that makes me sad
What was Dark Crystal like? We loved the film as kids.
I heard it was good but sadly I don't have netflix
It was very good. A real nice lead up to what would set the stage for the beginning of the movie. It dose have a plot problem in that we know how it has to end. The Gelflings of the movie are the last of the Gelflings. So.... a whole cast of characters that have to die eventually in the Skesis genocide of them. The show doesn't get that far. It follows a pretty typical heroes journey before it got canceled. It would have been interesting seeing how they attempted to walk that line of heroes we care about but have to fail.
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I liked the show but didn’t like the mix of CG and puppets. The CG was obviously CG and the puppets were obviously puppets and either alone would have been totally fine but it felt too jarring to me when they suddenly switched from one to the other or had both on the screen at the same time.
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The early unjustified cancellation of shows, and a complete lack of editorial standards when it comes to “documentaries”, are why I don’t want anything to do with Netflix.
Awful, awful platform.
It won’t cough up for more quality shows, but will happily pay Graham Hancock to spout absolute, entirely unsubstantiated, rooted in racism but I’m not convinced the man himself is therefore racist, guff.
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In theory that might have improved with further seasons as they'd have done the bulk of ground work for puppets for season 1 and then could improve the cgi with the budget in further ones. That's the big crime to me with this cancellation. SO much of it was entirely unique puppet creation and work.
The amount that must have gone into getting it all ready to run was likely huge and then they just abandoned it after one season.
It won’t cough up for more quality shows, but will happily pay Graham Hancock to spout absolute, entirely unsubstantiated, rooted in racism but I’m not convinced the man himself is therefore racist, guff.
I don't think he's racist.
I do think he knows a lot of the stuff he postulates is rooted in old racist thinking (and is popular still in racist circles) and just doesn't care. Graham Hancock is like a modern Heinrich Schliemann. And by that I mean he's a self-aggrandizer who stalks actual academia and steals the bits of it he finds usual for building up his own image. Which is ironic, because he'll insinuate archeologists are dogmatic and unwilling to change, and then he'll steal their work to promote his own brand despite contributing nothing to it. The biggest problem with Hancock isn't even his ideas. It's the way he blows smoke up people's asses, fabricates a fanciful representation of what scholars do, think, and say, and twists all of it to make himself seem the visionary at the expense of the people really doing the work. This is notably everything the Schliemann did in building his public reputation; misrepresent the field, steal actual science from others, repackage it into his own bs, and falsely claim that he was 'right all along.'
I don't think Hancock is racist. I think he just doesn't care and he's only better than Schliemann by the virtue that he hasn't gone to any irreplaceable archeological sites and blown them up with dynamite. Yet.
EDIT: Then again, Schliemann has a leg up on Hancock, since he actually went out and tried to get gak done but I don't want to give Hancock any ideas. He does enough damage as it is.
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It’s just disappointing that it’s given airtime with absolutely no in-show criticism.
At the end of the day it doesn’t take long at all to find out just how much testicles he’s talking. And at least two YouTubers I enjoy (Miniminuteman and History with Kayleigh) did substantial takedowns of the entire show, episode by episode.
But that Netflix doesn’t seem to host such a counter argument, to me, speaks volumes.
The damnedest things? Quite often, the scientific consensus on the sites is way more interesting than “Atlantis doneded it”
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Just finished rewatching Andor... It's a slow burn, but oy! that last episode.
Something that I did notice this time through - there's been some discussion online about the intro starting with a simple instrument and building each episode until it's a full orchestra for the final ep. But I also spotted this time through that when you click 'skip intro' on D+, it skips the opening Star Wars helmet intro, but leaves that musical Andor intro.
Had also missed the first time through that they sidestep some of the ickyness of Mon Mothma trading her daughter's betrothal for favours by having the daughter actually more keen on the traditional Chandrilan customs than her mother... Dumping hubby in the deep end to cover up the financial stuff is still cold, though
I have yet to watch Andor again. I picked up on Mini Mothma being the one who was leaning hard into tradition the first time around. I thought that was a) her giving Mom Mothma a hard time because teenager, and b) because Mon is already plenty busy with her criminal activities and doesn't need private problems on top of that, so for the sake of drama that is of course what she gets.
Never occurred to me to think of it as real life appeasement.
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Rewatching Ahsoka and it really hits hard how the theme here (and the sequel trilogy) is how the good guys won but didn't close the deal and had to face the bad guys again.
This is one of those times where it's fun to remind ourselves that the "good guys" in the original trilogy are a cultist, a smuggler, a politician and a sore loser. That's usually the bad guy cast in other movies.
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Something that I did notice this time through - there's been some discussion online about the intro starting with a simple instrument and building each episode until it's a full orchestra for the final ep. But I also spotted this time through that when you click 'skip intro' on D+, it skips the opening Star Wars helmet intro, but leaves that musical Andor intro.
Yep, you can also layer all of the intros over another and they form one cohesive piece. The attention to detail in all elements of Andor's production was really good. Everything is working towards the story and themes, building on them, tying them together via musical motifs and visual language.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Gert wrote: Alternatively, they're an elderly knight, a rogue, a princess, and a farmboy with dreams. So the good guy cast in other movies.
Everything is all about perspective.
Sure. To a degree. At least as far back as the prequel trilogy we got to see what the leadership of the Alliance to Restore the Plutocracy Formally Known as the Galactic Republic means to bring back, and following material only fleshed out that the political leadership is basically pining for the good old days. They just want the thing they lost back, preferably the way it was. In other words, they want to bring the thing that already failed once back and not even make the necessary changes to solve the problems of a galaxy.that has changed dramatically in the meantime.
That doesn't necessarily reflect back on every single character, but it does encourage the question if the simple good versus evil struggle Star Wars presents on the surfaces is actually that simple. If it's just good versus evil, the good guys have to win and live happily ever after (with an option for sequels, because money). The Empire is cast down and the New Republic is the utopia it was promised to be (at least for a while, because sequels, because money). If it's only "good" versus evil and the New Republic is a bust from the start, there's a lot of fun in looking at the failings of the "good" characters and see how those failings translate into unfortunate conditions even in victory. And ideally coming to the realization that one might have seen it coming,
So yeah, maybe the charming rogue tips well, but he's still a smuggler and murderer. Great hire if you want to do some smuggling and murdering. Wouldn't be my first choice for statesman, though.
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Also you got the cast wrong by bringing the compulsive liar into it. You should have your arm ripped out for that insult.
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Geifer wrote: I have yet to watch Andor again. I picked up on Mini Mothma being the one who was leaning hard into tradition the first time around. I thought that was a) her giving Mom Mothma a hard time because teenager, and b) because Mon is already plenty busy with her criminal activities and doesn't need private problems on top of that, so for the sake of drama that is of course what she gets.
Never occurred to me to think of it as real life appeasement.
I think that's a part of what makes it really clever writing... Selling the daughter for favours against her will would have made Mon too unlikeable a character, I think. But having the daughter liking the idea more than she does escapes that trap, and that happening because she's embracing tradition to push back against the elder generation absolutely works.
While the show overall is a bit slow for my tastes, it's undeniably well crafted.
