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 Imateria wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm pretty sure I remember that as well from one of the shows near the beginning of the year (maybe the one where they revealed sisters was going to happen?)

but clearly things have not quite worked out but they've come close

Well then start of year and release schedule already failed to follow GW's word. Orks didn't get release even CLOSE within year whether you count start as 8th ed or 1st codex. So even if statement is correct it would not be gospel as something threw off GW's schedule already. That or GW flat out lied in the first place regarding "within year" statement.

I never did understand where the "all codecies in a year" rubbish came from, I watched that initial livestream when they announced 8th ed and they quite clearly said all codecies by the end of next year, that 6 month difference is quite significant.

Can you link me the livestream (and perhaps the timestamp) where they said "all codecies by the end of next year"? I've not seen a single thing from GW that has ever said this. It's like "year of the Xenos". Not a thing.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

zamerion wrote:

> Sabotaged! (1CP) - When an enemy unit is destroyed and has an explosion effect, do not roll any dice - that effect automatically triggers.

> Confusion in the Ranks (3CP) - Choose an enemy unit in your opponent's army. Select one of its aura abilities - that ability cannot be used until the start of your next turn.

These two are amazing if true.

Auto detonating a knight in the enemy lines could auto win you the game. Also shutting off someone like Abbadons fearless bubble is just as game changing. I also thought the tide of traitors like stratagem looked nice, nothing there stopping you from recycling purestrains or abbberants.

I'll agree that these rumored strats look VERY good. A friend of mine wanted to sell his Tyranid army, but after these rumors I told him not to, as GC could be great for allies.

These all look very cool. If I pick up the codex instead of selling off my GSC, I'll feel even worse if I keep getting tabled like I do now with all these benefits.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Somehow you seem to have missed what I wrote-- I didn't say they do it now, at all.

They did and are likely going to get some form of similar rule or ability. How it works, time will tell.

I was actually thinking about it last night, and Cult Ambush could change into a rule that deploys units like Space Marine Scouts do, which could be awesome as an army gimmick.

Yep. Giving them "Infiltrate" as a rule for turn 1 could be super cool, or just straight up allowing Cult Ambush to ignore the rules for reserves, which they could do, so that they could continue to exit/enter past turn 3 as well, etc.

Who knows, I am but a humble dice roller at the mercy of their decisions, but they have tons of options.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Yep. Giving them "Infiltrate" as a rule for turn 1 could be super cool, or just straight up allowing Cult Ambush to ignore the rules for reserves, which they could do, so that they could continue to exit/enter past turn 3 as well, etc.

Who knows, I am but a humble dice roller at the mercy of their decisions, but they have tons of options.

Seeing as they didn't even allow Drop Pods, the poster child for ignoring reserve limitations, to come in turn 1, I doubt we're going to be the exception. No, I think the mechanic will be something different that will likely be less reserve based.

Well, considering we have CA upcoming and no one are using drop pods, who knows what they'll change in CA. As GSC will be a "post CA" army, they may come with changes already taken into account. Who knows!

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Well, considering we have CA upcoming and no one are using drop pods, who knows what they'll change in CA. As GSC will be a "post CA" army, they may come with changes already taken into account. Who knows!

While your optimism is refreshing (especially on Dakka where optimism goes to die), I prefer to keep my expectations low as to prevent disappointment.

I definitely recall GW mentioning that all Codex would be out by the end of 2018.

Do I remember when they said this? Only that it was around the release of 8th edition when they were speaking to what the planned roll-out of rules for 8th would be.

Do I remember where I saw it? Definitely on the warhammer community channel. But I don't recall it being in a video, just written in one of their daily articles.

Do I think they're actually going to make that date? No. I could see Genestealers 'maybe', but the Ynari, and whatever else might be needing a codex, makes me think probably not.

I think GW got a little too concerned with putting out other things like Necromunda, Titanicus, Kill Team, AoS 2nd ed. So, I get it. I think having a variety of stuff, and not going too hard on finishing 8th is important. And my big hope it that part of the reason for that, is they want to add more models to the GSC, and Ynari, to make them bigger, and more interesting armies. They've also done a pretty good job of continuing to support Bloodbowl, Kill team, Necromunda, Titanicus, and Shadespire over the last year, which is great! If I have to wait a bit longer for my GSC, I'm fine with that...

THOUGH THEY BETTER ADD THE FRIGGIN LIMO!!!1!!!!!!!!

 CaptainBetts wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm pretty sure I remember that as well from one of the shows near the beginning of the year (maybe the one where they revealed sisters was going to happen?)

but clearly things have not quite worked out but they've come close

Well then start of year and release schedule already failed to follow GW's word. Orks didn't get release even CLOSE within year whether you count start as 8th ed or 1st codex. So even if statement is correct it would not be gospel as something threw off GW's schedule already. That or GW flat out lied in the first place regarding "within year" statement.

I never did understand where the "all codecies in a year" rubbish came from, I watched that initial livestream when they announced 8th ed and they quite clearly said all codecies by the end of next year, that 6 month difference is quite significant.

Can you link me the livestream (and perhaps the timestamp) where they said "all codecies by the end of next year"? I've not seen a single thing from GW that has ever said this. It's like "year of the Xenos". Not a thing.

Hell no, it's a 2 hour video from 18 months ago, if you want confirmation look for it yourself, it's literally the very first livestream they did just after announcing 8th ed April last year.

 skullking wrote:
I definitely recall GW mentioning that all Codex would be out by the end of 2018.

Do I remember when they said this? Only that it was around the release of 8th edition when they were speaking to what the planned roll-out of rules for 8th would be.

Do I remember where I saw it? Definitely on the warhammer community channel. But I don't recall it being in a video, just written in one of their daily articles.

Do I think they're actually going to make that date? No. I could see Genestealers 'maybe', but the Ynari, and whatever else might be needing a codex, makes me think probably not.

I think GW got a little too concerned with putting out other things like Necromunda, Titanicus, Kill Team, AoS 2nd ed. So, I get it. I think having a variety of stuff, and not going too hard on finishing 8th is important. And my big hope it that part of the reason for that, is they want to add more models to the GSC, and Ynari, to make them bigger, and more interesting armies. They've also done a pretty good job of continuing to support Bloodbowl, Kill team, Necromunda, Titanicus, and Shadespire over the last year, which is great! If I have to wait a bit longer for my GSC, I'm fine with that...

THOUGH THEY BETTER ADD THE FRIGGIN LIMO!!!1!!!!!!!!

I would assume they meant existing codexes anyway, so Ynnari wouldn’t have counted as part of it as they’ve never had a codex.

"All codexes" was pretty well defined by the armies that got stopgap rules in last year's Chapter Approved. You'll note that Ynnari and Inquisition were not featured there.

They've already broken this promise with Sisters in 2019 of course, but given that the reason is that they decided to rush a full reboot of the army up the production line rather than the original plan of putting out a standard book with no new models... I don't think it's reasonable to complain about that.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
"All codexes" was pretty well defined by the armies that got stopgap rules in last year's Chapter Approved. You'll note that Ynnari and Inquisition were not featured there.

They've already broken this promise with Sisters in 2019 of course, but given that the reason is that they decided to rush a full reboot of the army up the production line rather than the original plan of putting out a standard book with no new models... I don't think it's reasonable to complain about that.

Also, it looks like GSC won't be coming out in 2018 either. The release schedule for the next two months. There are 9 Saturdays left of this year, including the Saturday coming and the ones around Christmas and New Year. They've got Blackstone Fortress, Chapter Approved, Slaanesh (apparently), Battleforces, Christmas things, AoS things and so on to release before the end of the year.

There just isn't time left in 2018 for GSC to squeeze in a codex - especially not when we've got 1-2 new models at least to be released (the triple pistol Neophyte and the Primus-sword model from the Rumour Engine).

It's a shame, but it's the harsh reality.

They could easily drop GSC in the next couple weeks. I'd guess they would need to drop sometime early next month. Don't forget GW loves doing those event calendars. Half the crap you mentioned could be a day by day news drop in December. 9 Saturdays is a lot.

 Red Corsair wrote:
They could easily drop GSC in the next couple weeks. I'd guess they would need to drop sometime early next month. Don't forget GW loves doing those event calendars. Half the crap you mentioned could be a day by day news drop in December. 9 Saturdays is a lot.

Unfortunately they've not yet announced the GSC codex.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/01/codexes-kings-cawdors-and-more/

You might point to this link, and say "they announced GSC here". Sadly this article only announced Orks and Space Wolves - it only mentions really that GSC are "in the pipeline" at best. The Space Wolves codex and the Orks codex are directly mentioned and referenced, there's nothing of the sort for Genestealer Cults.

If they were to release GSC without an announcement 50-90 days beforehand it would be the first time GW does this in 8th edition ever.

I reckon they'll announce the codex this Sunday, and it'll come out in January or February.

I'm a GSC player myself, and have been hoping for the codex for 18 months too, so we're in the same boat. I just can't see it happening in 2018. :/

I don't remember Custodes or T-sons having a 50-90 day lead time before dropping.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I don't remember Custodes or T-sons having a 50-90 day lead time before dropping.

Oops, the 50-90 day waiting period I was referencing is between the last codex of each batch (traditionally when they announce the codex, but not always) and the first codex of the next batch. So the gap between Blood Angels (early December 2017 from what I recall) and Custodes (late January I believe) was about 50 days, though of course the Custodes Codex was announced on the 6th of January.

It depends whether they could Orks and Space Wolves as being in the same batch as GSC. The "same batch" has, for all other codexes to my knowledge, been defined by their codexes being announced at the same time on Warhammer Community.



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50 days from the 3rd of November (Ork release date) is Sunday 23 December 2018, so who knows, maybe we'll be seeing something around that time? I don't think GW does major releases in the weeks surrounding Christmas and New Years though.

There's plenty of stuff to fill the rest of this year:
Blackstone fortress
Chapter Approved
Scenery bundles
Battleforces
Blood Bowl team
Shadespire gang
Possibly Realm of Chaos, Delaques & AT stuff


I also think we'll see the announcement this weekend with a large Ork-like release in January.

Just to back my "50-90 day" claim up, here's a timeline of the 40k releases since the start of 8th. Ignore the Space Wolves, Orks and GSC dates, those were speculative dates (I made this timeline to theorise when they might be and to show how much of a gap there would be).

Edit: On a second look at this, there have previously been some 30-50 day gaps (or at least, it looks like it) early on in 8th's release cycle, but more recently they've been much further apart.

My hope is that Slaanesh gets the same treatment that Nurgle had end of last year, and beginning of this one, but we'll see. I do think GSC will be a 'next year' thing. And I hope they really go out and make them even more awesome. It feels like they've done well in making them feel like a blue-collar crime organization, but I think they really need to lean hard into the 1930's mobster edge that they were originally created as (well, as 'mobster-y' as a cult of aliens hybrids can get anyway. I'm not looking for fedoras, and pinstripe suits, but limos (ie fancy hive cars), and lavish hive attire would be cool). I would love if GSC were released with new vehicles which could be used by other armies, such as imperial agents, guard, and Chaos cultists. Plus, stuff that might have some place in Necromunda would be cool as well. Vehicles you could use in an 'Armored Convoy' type mission, or high traffic area scenario would add some interesting elements to the game (FYI, i don't own the new Necromunda, so they could already be there?).

 ImAGeek wrote:
I would assume they meant existing codexes anyway, so Ynnari wouldn’t have counted as part of it as they’ve never had a codex.

I assumed they just meant anything that was listed on the covers of the Indexes, but you could be right? For the record though, the Ynnari are not only listed as a separate army, but also have a separate section on the website (so does the officio Assasinorum, and I doubt they'll get their own army, but who knows?).

 CaptainBetts wrote:


Just to back my "50-90 day" claim up, here's a timeline of the 40k releases since the start of 8th. Ignore the Space Wolves, Orks and GSC dates, those were speculative dates (I made this timeline to theorise when they might be and to show how much of a gap there would be).

Edit: On a second look at this, there have previously been some 30-50 day gaps (or at least, it looks like it) early on in 8th's release cycle, but more recently they've been much further apart.

That calender refutes as much as it supports your original assertion. There were no such mentions prior for guard, eldar nids etc They would announce next weeks faction and then start previewing followed by the once week preorder. Your right the later factions had a group leaked but I think that was intentional since folks were getting annoyed by the slow down of releases as GW started adding other games into the pipe. They also used events like LVO then Adepticon to announce these things. Every other time on that calender was just a hint a couple weeks prior.

BTW I think your more then likely right, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the cult drop before Christmas, they dumped both blood angels and dark angels right before X-mas. Blackstone fortress was also hinted at being months away, so we will have to see.

 xttz wrote:
There's plenty of stuff to fill the rest of this year:
Blackstone fortress
Chapter Approved
Scenery bundles
Battleforces
Blood Bowl team
Shadespire gang
Possibly Realm of Chaos, Delaques & AT stuff


I also think we'll see the announcement this weekend with a large Ork-like release in January.

The thing to remember is stuff like Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Underworlds, AT, can easily just come out alongside something, and several times have. That it all the mini games together as it were.

But I’d strike ‘possibly’ from Realms of Chaos and Necromunda, as they had said they would both be out November and This Year respectively.


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But I agree, that doesn’t leave a lot of space with all you mentioned.
So most likely no release this year.
Though there is a chance..

IF stealers get a limo I'll steal it from them for da waaaagh.

I'd want a few more barely altered cultists, though, the Neophytes are such good human sculpts.

Cults also aren't a massive release, we're talking what, two clam packs, boxed abberants and a vehicle if my dreams come true. Unless they're packing a serious surprise I could easily see that being a week's release along side a boxed game or a few specalist releases. Heck, I half assume it's going to be one clam pack so they can support tooth and claw for a while yet.

If you're wondering why GW only announces things a month or so before it's available, look no further than the whole "they promised every codex within a year/by end of year" discussion. The nature of modeling and molding means that product releases sometimes need to get moved around. We'll be getting GSC soon, just maybe not within the original target window (notice the word is "target" not "promised".

 Binabik15 wrote:
IF stealers get a limo I'll steal it from them for da waaaagh.

I'd want a few more barely altered cultists, though, the Neophytes are such good human sculpts.

I'd like some female cultists because that'd be a nice way to add some more variety to the army, but more than anything I want Orkstealer Cultists.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
IF stealers get a limo I'll steal it from them for da waaaagh.

I'd want a few more barely altered cultists, though, the Neophytes are such good human sculpts.

I'd like some female cultists because that'd be a nice way to add some more variety to the army, but more than anything I want Orkstealer Cultists.

A female Magus would be amazing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
IF stealers get a limo I'll steal it from them for da waaaagh.

I'd want a few more barely altered cultists, though, the Neophytes are such good human sculpts.

I'd like some female cultists because that'd be a nice way to add some more variety to the army, but more than anything I want Orkstealer Cultists.

THIS!

I really would love some female cultists as well. I get that in the lore, they're just 'at home, pumpin out more lil hybrids', but I want to have some in the mix. I'm planning to convert a second female Primaris, and I'd love to have a female magus as well (yeah I know, lore is there's only one of each...). I think shaving the mohawks off some escher, and if the Delaque hopefully have some female members, we can get some decent stuff to convert them.

Ork Cultists would ROCK! I mean, they had them in the lore. It would be great to have kits to convert eldar, and tau as well. I think some GSC Ogryns, and Ratlings might be fun also. I also still feel that (other than the Limo) there needs to be a REALLY HUGE genestealer beast. Yeah, yeah, the patriarch is a big genestealer, and the abberents are big too, but I want something as big or 'bigger' than a Carnifex. Yes I can just ally with the nids, and use an 'actual' carnifex, or whatever but, but...

 skullking wrote:
I think some GSC Ogryns, and Ratlings might be fun also. I also still feel that (other than the Limo) there needs to be a REALLY HUGE genestealer beast. Yeah, yeah, the patriarch is a big genestealer, and the abberents are big too, but I want something as big or 'bigger' than a Carnifex. Yes I can just ally with the nids, and use an 'actual' carnifex, or whatever but, but...

True story: When I was conceptualizing my GCult all those years ago (see my sig, this was LONG before we had a codex), I worked out a concept for 'Abominations', which were Genestealer Hybrids gone wrong. I was going to use Ogre bits, Chaos Spawn bits, etc. to build muscular, Ogre-sized freaks that could work as Killa Kans if counting as Orks, or Ogres if counting as IG.

So it was interesting when we got Aberrants, and more recently the Abominant as official GW models. I know I told some people about the idea, but I've chalked it up as a case of spooky evolution. Anyway, yes, I think the gaming niche is there for larger models. I'm a little unsure if the conceptual space is there though, since Aberrants and Abominants have been established in the role of hulking hybrid types.