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kombatwombat wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

fe40k wrote:
Regarding allies, and people feeling they’re not playing the same army: it’s called modeling, and painting - there’s no reason your Guardsman allies couldn’t be painted and modeled to be in theme and army with whoever you’re playing as.

Also, Penintent Engines better be t3 - there a human stuck on a piece of metal, not a super human. They also better have 6+ save, since their entirely unarmored.

Not all shots hit the driver...

Yeah by that logic Leman Russes should be T4 6+, since they have fuel barrels and tracks.

Dreadknights will need to go to T4 too, since the marine is just hanging out in his baby carrier.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Custodes, like Knights, were designed for allies in mind. It sucks, but tough.

Apparently "designed for allies in mind" means "most of their units suck and we won't bother trying to fix it because they can just ally Guard in"?

More like just replace 90% of your army with Guard who'll do the same damage for less while having more chaff and CP. "Downsides this is the Astra Militarum in 8th edition you don't get downsides."

The downside of Astra Militarum is that a 4+ shooting army autoloses to -1/-2/-3 to hit eldar

Which on the topic of the thread are roumered to be going the way of the dodo with CA 2018 finally. Also stacked - to hit armies hurt more than Guard, so thank you, next excuse please.

Here come some leaks:
Knights had 0 points changes. There is no section for them at all.
Chaos knights got point drops They’re cheaper than imperial. Double Gatling Knight is about 100 pts cheaper. Avenger Gatling cannons dropped 20 pts each. There’s a chaos knights index inside CA
all the greater demons dropped by 100 pts or so
Demons in general went down “a ton”
No changes to tzaangors
Cultists are 5 points.
Dark Eldar: 0 changes
Shining Spears and reapers up a small amount, “everything else” is cheaper. there are no “new rules” that nerf soulburst or anything
Harlequin fusion pistols dropped to 7 pts
Tau got drops. Everything is dirt cheap.
"The 8" are laughably bad
It looks like grey knights and Tsons are still on baby’s first smite
GK terminators are cheap now
Death Guard players are gonna be happy
Blight haulers are down 30 pts, among other things.
Marines are cheaper, Primaris in particular
guardsmen are 5 pts

No update on Necrons because the guy didn't look at them since he doesn't care about them :(

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Ice_can wrote:

Which on the topic of tge tread are roumered to be going the way of the dodo with CA 2018 finally. Also stacked - to hit armies hurt more than Guard, so thank you, next excuse please.

I was the source of the rumor: Reece accidentally said Raven Guard, Alpha Legion and Stygies won't be benefitting from the cover stratagem. It was just that - a rumor.

The leak right now is that Alaitoc has NOT CHANGED. Trusted source.

Wait, are you telling us that they changed the -1 to hit trait for every faction except the one it's most abusive in?

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Wanna look at my signature there, friend?
I sure picked some winners for 8th ed (especially until the ork codex)

Eh, the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and sometimes you are on the bottom. I've played Guard since our first 3rd edition codex. We have been at times the worst and best. Necrons and Dark Eldar had times that they were laughably bad, not getting a codex for insane amounts of time. Then again, all three of these have been the best army at some points as well. It is just the way of things. At least iterations seem to be much faster these days.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:

What's the source?

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Wait, are you telling us that they changed the -1 to hit trait for every faction except the one it's most abusive in?

Like there's 1% chance that this will happen. Reece didn't mention Alaitoc and mentioned the other 3. Oh god no. GW can't be that out of touch.
If they do that... the paris riots will have nothing on this


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 Trickstick wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:

What's the source?

Friend of a friend that the friend trusts 100% /shrug
It's not random anonymous people. So the chance they're lying is low.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Wait, are you telling us that they changed the -1 to hit trait for every faction except the one it's most abusive in?

Like there's 1% chance that this will happen. Reece didn't mention Alaitoc and mentioned the other 3. Oh god no. GW can't be that out of touch.

I could see it working if they made a beta rule that -1 to hit can't stack.

Given that we'll know for certain within a day, I'm putting like zero stock in rumours that don't come with pics of the book.

With that said, boo that man for not caring about necrons.

guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:
Knights had 0 points changes. There is no section for them at all.
Chaos knights got point drops They’re cheaper than imperial. Double Gatling Knight is about 100 pts cheaper. Avenger Gatling cannons dropped 20 pts each. There’s a chaos knights index inside CA
all the greater demons dropped by 100 pts or so
Demons in general went down “a ton”
No changes to tzaangors
Cultists are 5 points.
Dark Eldar: 0 changes
Shining Spears and reapers up a small amount, “everything else” is cheaper. there are no “new rules” that nerf soulburst or anything
Harlequin fusion pistols dropped to 7 pts
Tau got drops. Everything is dirt cheap.
"The 8" are laughably bad
It looks like grey knights and Tsons are still on baby’s first smite
GK terminators are cheap now
Death Guard players are gonna be happy
Blight haulers are down 30 pts, among other things.
Marines are cheaper, Primaris in particular
guardsmen are 5 pts

No update on Necrons because the guy didn't look at them since he doesn't care about them :(

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Ice_can wrote:

Which on the topic of tge tread are roumered to be going the way of the dodo with CA 2018 finally. Also stacked - to hit armies hurt more than Guard, so thank you, next excuse please.

I was the source of the rumor: Reece accidentally said Raven Guard, Alpha Legion and Stygies won't be benefitting from the cover stratagem. It was just that - a rumor.

The leak right now is that Alaitoc has NOT CHANGED. Trusted source.

Good to see an update but damn do those changes not inspire confidence that GW understand why people complain about the cost of certain units etc and why they do use the units they do.


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 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Thats because they aren't undercosted, their just Eldar obviously

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

Dark Eldar: 0 changes

Damn, I really hoped several units in the codex got buffed. Hellions, wyches and cronos in particular deserved some love. Same for our HQs that are probably the worst ones in the entire 40k universe.


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 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Thats because they aren't undercosted, their just Eldar obviously

They are 1pt undercosted at most. But wyches are 2 points overcosted, maybe even 3.

IK zero changes and SM with significant points reductions? They're just GW's posterboys obviously

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Marines are cheaper, Primaris in particular

I wonder how primaris sales have been up to this point? I have seen a lot of people really like the models and pick them up for that reason. Not too many people are enthusiastic about the rules though. A significant point reduction could drastically increase sales. Same with the repulsor.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:

I take it there was nothing mentioned about Tyranids?

I'll get to read it and Vigilus Tuesday at the earliest, can't wait to verify all these leaks and rumours so far. There's been an underwhelming amount this year.

My buddy gets the copies for the shop on wednesday, but by then we will already have full leaks.

It's my favorite stage of Leaked Rules: Realization That Things Will Not be As Extensive As You'd Hoped.

Tune in tuesday/wednesday for stage 5: Rage And Taking Small Pieces of Information Out of Context!

sounds like more of the same compiled plus added wishlisting

 aracersss wrote:
sounds like more of the same compiled plus added fake bs

I mean we'll see in a few hours but I don't think that's fake.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
sounds like more of the same compiled plus added fake bs

I mean we'll see in a few hours but I don't think that's fake.

I do love that these pre-NDA leaks are always like bigfoot sightings. Nobody at the time of encountering a book thinks "I shall snap a picture of this for my own use later" or "let me grab a pencil and a piece of paper so i can remember some of these numbers here.

the_scotsman wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
sounds like more of the same compiled plus added fake bs

I mean we'll see in a few hours but I don't think that's fake.

I do love that these pre-NDA leaks are always like bigfoot sightings. Nobody at the time of encountering a book thinks "I shall snap a picture of this for my own use later" or "let me grab a pencil and a piece of paper so i can remember some of these numbers here.

Because that is a good way to not be allowed to see future books.

the_scotsman wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
sounds like more of the same compiled plus added fake bs

I mean we'll see in a few hours but I don't think that's fake.

I do love that these pre-NDA leaks are always like bigfoot sightings. Nobody at the time of encountering a book thinks "I shall snap a picture of this for my own use later" or "let me grab a pencil and a piece of paper so i can remember some of these numbers here.

Well they usually have a reason for that
In this case too apparently.

 Trickstick wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Marines are cheaper, Primaris in particular

I wonder how primaris sales have been up to this point? I have seen a lot of people really like the models and pick them up for that reason. Not too many people are enthusiastic about the rules though. A significant point reduction could drastically increase sales. Same with the repulsor.

Actually what does that have to do with anything? Primaris are obviously overcosted. Fixing that is the right thing to do, not a shady tactic to get people to buy more of them.

That said, if it's true that a chaos knight with two avengers is getting a points reduction then there won't be a lot of point putting Primaris on the battlefield. Avengers are already obviously the best gun and if GW doesn't see that then they are blind.

Mandragola wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Marines are cheaper, Primaris in particular

I wonder how primaris sales have been up to this point? I have seen a lot of people really like the models and pick them up for that reason. Not too many people are enthusiastic about the rules though. A significant point reduction could drastically increase sales. Same with the repulsor.

Actually what does that have to do with anything? Primaris are obviously overcosted. Fixing that is the right thing to do, not a shady tactic to get people to buy more of them.

That said, if it's true that a chaos knight with two avengers is getting a points reduction then there won't be a lot of point putting Primaris on the battlefield. Avengers are already obviously the best gun and if GW doesn't see that then they are blind.

I wonder if the pre-release copies of chapter approved have different factions' adjustments in them. One person sees the adjustments for custodes, space marines, and death guard, another person sees them for another few factions, etc, and that's the way they keep track of who's got what.

"oh, someone on the internet said Drukhari got no changes, we know that's jimmyjohn send out the culexus assassins."

Mandragola wrote:
Actually what does that have to do with anything? Primaris are obviously overcosted. Fixing that is the right thing to do, not a shady tactic to get people to buy more of them.

I wasn't implying it was a shady tactic to increase sales. I was wondering if they would see a significant increase in sales by balancing primaris, or if their sales have been high enough already that it doesn't really matter. I'm sure point reductions help sales, but whether or not the increase is significant is interesting.

 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Do you know what Guardsmen and Cultists have that Kabalites don't? Force multipliers, pretty much the best Kabalites can get is is the standard re-roll 1's to hit, and maybe wound if you're going for a very unusual set up. They do not have psychic powers (anyone that says Doom is an idiot, you are not wasting that on Kabalites), stratagems or orders, the only actual advantage they have is 3+ to hit and a gun that whilst better against T4+ is ridiculously inefficient against T3 hordes.

 Imateria wrote:

 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Do you know what Guardsmen and Cultists have that Kabalites don't? Force multipliers, pretty much the best Kabalites can get is is the standard re-roll 1's to hit, and maybe wound if you're going for a very unusual set up. They do not have psychic powers (anyone that says Doom is an idiot, you are not wasting that on Kabalites), stratagems or orders, the only actual advantage they have is 3+ to hit and a gun that whilst better against T4+ is ridiculously inefficient against T3 hordes.

Power from pain is good but yeah you are right

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:
Knights had 0 points changes. There is no section for them at all.
Chaos knights got point drops They’re cheaper than imperial. Double Gatling Knight is about 100 pts cheaper. Avenger Gatling cannons dropped 20 pts each. There’s a chaos knights index inside CA
all the greater demons dropped by 100 pts or so
Demons in general went down “a ton”

A Chaos Knights index? Not that I wouldn't like that but I think if it were the case GW should have already teased it. It's quite a big one. And because of that I don't find it very convincing.

Also, we've heard about the greater Daemons, but the rest of the daemons aside slaanesh seem to be in a good spot, no?

I wonder if there's Chaos marine changes, they sorely need it.

From those leaks though, didn't another leak (also supposedly from a reliable source) say that Tzaangor went up in points?

If the ones above are legit, then yeah I'm convinced GW does not really understand what the problem is, they're just throwing some minor changes in there and hoping the complaints go away. Isn't Reece and co supposed to be giving feedback/testing these? Wouldn't they be telling GW that they're missing the issue completely?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:
Knights had 0 points changes. There is no section for them at all.
Chaos knights got point drops They’re cheaper than imperial. Double Gatling Knight is about 100 pts cheaper. Avenger Gatling cannons dropped 20 pts each. There’s a chaos knights index inside CA
all the greater demons dropped by 100 pts or so
Demons in general went down “a ton”

A Chaos Knights index? Not that I wouldn't like that but I think if it were the case GW should have already teased it. It's quite a big one. And because of that I don't find it very convincing.

Also, we've heard about the greater Daemons, but the rest of the daemons aside slaanesh seem to be in a good spot, no?

Index released back in June. They're reprinting it for CA.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/22/22nd-june-you-asked-for-chaos-knights-you-got-emgw-homepage-post-1/

 Imateria wrote:

 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Do you know what Guardsmen and Cultists have that Kabalites don't? Force multipliers, pretty much the best Kabalites can get is is the standard re-roll 1's to hit, and maybe wound if you're going for a very unusual set up. They do not have psychic powers (anyone that says Doom is an idiot, you are not wasting that on Kabalites), stratagems or orders, the only actual advantage they have is 3+ to hit and a gun that whilst better against T4+ is ridiculously inefficient against T3 hordes.

You're not wasting Doom and Jinx on Kabalites because you don't cast it on them. If you've debuffed a non-vehicle target they get just as much benefit from those spells as the rest of your list.