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Shame the +3 command points is a Red Corsair only buff, It would have been incredible as a special rule that chaos space marines and tactical marines had to make them worth taking over cheap horde infantry. (In any space marine/chaos space marine force)

 vaklor4 wrote:
What is the opinion on Crimson Slaughter trait? I really wanna play it, and will probably play it regardless of outside opinion, but do other people think it could work pretty well in a World Eaters-esque rushdown list? Berzerkers (and potentially cultists) getting auto-morale is pretty nice, and CP farming is handy as heck, all be it no where NEAR red corsairs good.

If the units that are killing things are units that get legion traits then it's pretty good; essentially if you can make a good list that doesn't run vehicles and doesn't make any serious investment into cultists then it's about as good as any of the relic/warlord trait stratagem regens. I think it'd depend on what other benefits Crimson Slaughter gets. People are really excited about the Red Corsairs trait, and for good reason, but the trait isn't the only thing you get; people are sleeping on the Scourged getting access to Auspex Scan in a meta where Genestealer Cults are on the rise.

 vaklor4 wrote:
What is the opinion on Crimson Slaughter trait? I really wanna play it, and will probably play it regardless of outside opinion, but do other people think it could work pretty well in a World Eaters-esque rushdown list? Berzerkers (and potentially cultists) getting auto-morale is pretty nice, and CP farming is handy as heck, all be it no where NEAR red corsairs good.

The morale immunity means they're doing what you would want Word Bearers outside summoning to do, but way better.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
What is the opinion on Crimson Slaughter trait? I really wanna play it, and will probably play it regardless of outside opinion, but do other people think it could work pretty well in a World Eaters-esque rushdown list? Berzerkers (and potentially cultists) getting auto-morale is pretty nice, and CP farming is handy as heck, all be it no where NEAR red corsairs good.

The morale immunity means they're doing what you would want Word Bearers outside summoning to do, but way better.

It's morale only after they kill a unit though, meaning 9 times out of 10, its in your own turn. So its only SUPER useful for melee units IMO.

It's actually much better than auspex - there's no minus to hit.

 vaklor4 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
What is the opinion on Crimson Slaughter trait? I really wanna play it, and will probably play it regardless of outside opinion, but do other people think it could work pretty well in a World Eaters-esque rushdown list? Berzerkers (and potentially cultists) getting auto-morale is pretty nice, and CP farming is handy as heck, all be it no where NEAR red corsairs good.

The morale immunity means they're doing what you would want Word Bearers outside summoning to do, but way better.

It's morale only after they kill a unit though, meaning 9 times out of 10, its in your own turn. So its only SUPER useful for melee units IMO.

Wow I completely misread it.

I'm no longer as enthusiastic about it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
What is the opinion on Crimson Slaughter trait? I really wanna play it, and will probably play it regardless of outside opinion, but do other people think it could work pretty well in a World Eaters-esque rushdown list? Berzerkers (and potentially cultists) getting auto-morale is pretty nice, and CP farming is handy as heck, all be it no where NEAR red corsairs good.

The morale immunity means they're doing what you would want Word Bearers outside summoning to do, but way better.

It's morale only after they kill a unit though, meaning 9 times out of 10, its in your own turn. So its only SUPER useful for melee units IMO.

Wow I completely misread it.

I'm no longer as enthusiastic about it.

To be fair, this is just a legion trait. The 5+ command points are where the beef of the trait is, the morale passing is just a bit of extra spice to add to your chosen, berzerekrs and CSM...And lord willing, cultists, if rumors are to be false.

Who is ready for our new Corsair overlords?

 SHUPPET wrote:
Who is ready for our new Corsair overlords?

Honestly I don't even think we will need the Chaos Marine CP. We now already get a bonus one from the basic Battalion, but think about the specialist detachments! Do I just want Huron and advancing Dreads/Helbrutes? Bam, extra reward still.

At some point you can rake in all the CP you want, but how many places is it going to be spent? At least for sure the relic Combi-Melta is gold, so I'm just awaiting the Warlord Trait and Strategem.

To be fair, Chaos armies can spam CP HARD. Demonforged every turn, deepstriking demons, surge demon saves to +1, CP rerolls, it adds up fast if you be liberal with it.

If you have key Slanaash unit that you want to use cacophony on every turn, and other legion detachments you want to use veterans of the long war on every turn... yeah, those CP can be easily used up super quickly. And that's not even counting anything interesting from the new viligus Ablaze that we might want to use too. (There has to be some strategems in there we would want to use). Melee CSM get to use more fury of Khorne ... amazing.

So, yup, that additional CP from the renegade 17 is amazing and just what CSM needed. In almost every game I played I was out of CP by turn 2. If I could be using CPs as I wanted up to turn 4 or 5...

 SHUPPET wrote:
Who is ready for our new Corsair overlords?

I feel like I automatically have to say yes here

Kidding aside, I feel this really does make CSM more appealing. Like I posted in the new and rumors section 5 guys with a rotor canon and combi bolter on sarge is very solid if the rumors on the rotor canon prove true. 87pts for a unit that pumps 18 shots out at the 24" mark is solid, especially when you can get that unit in cover. Of course the relic combi melta doesn't hurt either, making a support lord an MSU squad killer himself.

For reference the rumored rotor canon profile was 24" heavy 8 S5 ap -1

 Red Corsair wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Who is ready for our new Corsair overlords?

I feel like I automatically have to say yes here

*Looks at user name* Everything checks out for me.













I am Alpharius

Baseless rumor is baseless though.

Corsair batteries would be nice, but they will probably be far more shining in actual corsair lists with CSM pumping CP and other assault units rush forward to make use of the second part of the trait.

Use the 3 units of marines to objective hold, in the right situation marines can take quite a beating.

Feels a tiny bit off, Corsairs being the ones bringing the Heretacs up to scratch. Always seen them as the bike raider lot. Though +1CP for a minimal Outriders means they’re still pretty good for it.


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The 17 Corsairs completely throws off any aspiration of building a viable Bridage, of course:
RC Battalion + Battalion + Vanguard + Outriders + Spearhead = 22CP
RC Brigade = 14CP
That’s for more HQ bringing in 2CP each

In smaller games, it’s also notable that RC Patrols with five Heretacs, an HQ, and some Oblits or whatever yield 1CP. That’s VOTLW, EC, and a re-roll on Prescience.

Wow there is some exciting stuff in the Renegades preview! Both Legion traits shown so far are really cool, with the Crimson Slaughter one being particularly flavourful if not quite as powerful. The WTs and stratagems are also pretty awesome and give us access to stuff we didn't have access to before.

The Brazen Beasts WT is a scary option on a MoK DP w Talisman of Burning Blood. I like the idea of a jump lord with a power fist as well. Definitely not as strong but another fun option to bring along.

Is Fallen Angels even worth 1CP?

In light of our improved bolters, I’m looking again at MSU Fallen. Six of them can take five combi-bolters and a HB. Put them on a rooftop and stay put, and they get rerolls without having to assign a CL.

Sorcerer, I dunno about. Unless they’re gaining an actual Legion trait, he seems redundant? Having Rhinos opens up more mobility, but without access to gun plus sword, they’re not the close range unit Chosen are?

Agent of Discord is... well, it’s very dependent on the opponent, and requires a hell of a lot of buy-in to have a useful range? Without a Trace... was anyone using the similar Night Lords strat?

If they could bring us a PlasCan - like their illustrations depicted in their Cadia relaunch - they’d have a nice niche.

Well, you lot have to remember, any detachment or legion revealed is only partly so. There is more unknown.

 lindsay40k wrote:


In smaller games, it’s also notable that RC Patrols with five Heretacs, an HQ, and some Oblits or whatever yield 1CP. That’s VOTLW, EC, and a re-roll on Prescience.

Red Corsairs can't use VOTLW

 Latro_ wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:


In smaller games, it’s also notable that RC Patrols with five Heretacs, an HQ, and some Oblits or whatever yield 1CP. That’s VOTLW, EC, and a re-roll on Prescience.

Red Corsairs can't use VOTLW

You keep saying this. I don't have my book with me at work , but doesn't it just say "heretic astartes infantery or bikes unit"?

I don't keep saying it, its the first time i said it .

the exact wording is:

'Use this Stratagem when a HERETIC ASTARTES
INFANTRY or BIKER unit is selected to attack in a
Shooting or Fight phase (excluding units from Renegade
Chapters). You can add 1 to all wound rolls made for the
unit until the end of the phase.'

you can attempt ro argue that red corsairs are not a 'renegade chapter' as laid out in the legion traits section but its fair to say
1. thats sketychy RAW
2. the actual vigilus book will likely bring them inline with renegade chapters'
3. if it does not then GW will FAQ it within a month

NVM

 Latro_ wrote:
I don't keep saying it, its the first time i said it .

the exact wording is:

'Use this Stratagem when a HERETIC ASTARTES
INFANTRY or BIKER unit is selected to attack in a
Shooting or Fight phase (excluding units from Renegade
Chapters). You can add 1 to all wound rolls made for the
unit until the end of the phase.'

you can attempt ro argue that red corsairs are not a 'renegade chapter' as laid out in the legion traits section but its fair to say
1. thats sketychy RAW
2. the actual vigilus book will likely bring them inline with renegade chapters'
3. if it does not then GW will FAQ it within a month

Oh, my bad . someone kept mentioning it, I thought that that was you.

You are completely right then! Which is good because it would make no sense fluff-wise.

Maybe we will get an identical stratagem for 2 CP called "Veterans of the short skirmish"?

 vaklor4 wrote:
Maybe we will get an identical stratagem for 2 CP called "Veterans of the short skirmish"?

Or one which is better, but only usable on renegades

Waaaghbert wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
Maybe we will get an identical stratagem for 2 CP called "Veterans of the short skirmish"?

Or one which is better, but only usable on renegades

you know, beyond the name, which would need to be more Edgy, i think the chances of that happening aren't all that small....

Not Online!!! wrote:

Waaaghbert wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
Maybe we will get an identical stratagem for 2 CP called "Veterans of the short skirmish"?

Or one which is better, but only usable on renegades

you know, beyond the name, which would need to be more Edgy, i think the chances of that happening aren't all that small....

The Scourged got a better Auspex so...

Was listening to the long war podcast the BL BoD trait is actually nasty its re-roll hits not misses.

so even misses vs eldar etc modifier stuff

So the DA is getting another nerf-in-disguise. Seems to be the theme of this dex.

Really not all that happy about this as a World Eaters player. Loyalist chaplains get that combat reroll for free without a roll and now we only have 66% chance to have our rerolls.

Also expecting the DA to get a higher price tag, now that he has some new and advanced options.