Chaos Marines Tactica [8th Edition]

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**Gidun**

Has anyone bothered to try a bikerlord with the headhunter trait, vipers bite and a combi plasma? Provided its legal to switch the bikes combi bolter for the relic? On paper it sounds pretty nutty. Relatively safe to overcharge, semi long range and good mobility.

**Yoyoyo**

I’m sure it would work fine but just so you know, bike HQs were moved to Legends.

**weaver9**

p5freak wrote:
What can be done to protect an IW KLOS when you dont get first turn ? There is dour duty to reduce AP by 1, and the 6+ FNP from another strat. Then the DA with benediction of darkness for -1 to hit. Prepared positions for 2CP. Anything else ?

50% obscured and park it in cover. Means you're taking battle canons on 3+ and lascannons on 4+ after dour duty.

But no that's it defensively.

**godardc**

What book(s) would be needed to run pure World Eaters ? Does PA give them anything valuable ? Or just the 2.0 Chaos codex ?

**Gidun**

Yoyoyo wrote:
I’m sure it would work fine but just so you know, bike HQs were moved to Legends.

Well sure, but I haven't seen anybody banning legends other than GW so far

**cole1114**

Gidun wrote:
Yoyoyo wrote:
I’m sure it would work fine but just so you know, bike HQs were moved to Legends.

Well sure, but I haven't seen anybody banning legends other than GW so far

I've seen a couple actually.

**Gidun**

Any big ones or just local ones?

**H.B.M.C.**

Lord Discordant.

Autocannon or Baleflamer?

I kinda like the idea of this speedy flamer, as it's got a decent range and he's quite fast, but wanted to check what the general consensus might be.

**tneva82**

Gidun wrote:
Yoyoyo wrote:
I’m sure it would work fine but just so you know, bike HQs were moved to Legends.

Well sure, but I haven't seen anybody banning legends other than GW so far

Well here it's gone same way as index(no surprise since it's basically index renamed). Banned. ETC has commonly banned index for even before ork codex was released

**small_gods**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Lord Discordant.

Autocannon or Baleflamer?

I kinda like the idea of this speedy flamer, as it's got a decent range and he's quite fast, but wanted to check what the general consensus might be.

Think either is good, I have two with autocannon because of cheapness. But you won't hamper yourself too much eother way.

**brugner8**

VenomCrawler Vs Maulerfiend:
I would like to insert 3 daemon engines in a list, they have slightly different roles as one is cabable of shooting while the other one has a big punch in combat.
Since they have similar point cost I would like to have some feddeback to crawlers users. I own three Maulerfieds and I am quite satisfied frome their performanceso far.

**Pandabeer**

godardc wrote:
What book(s) would be needed to run pure World Eaters ? Does PA give them anything valuable ? Or just the 2.0 Chaos codex ?

You definitely need PA, it gives the remaining Codex Legions the same treatment Black Legion received in Vigilus Ablaze.

**godardc**

Pandabeer wrote:
godardc wrote:
What book(s) would be needed to run pure World Eaters ? Does PA give them anything valuable ? Or just the 2.0 Chaos codex ?

You definitely need PA, it gives the remaining Codex Legions the same treatment Black Legion received in Vigilus Ablaze.

So chaos 2.0 and PA, got it

**ArcaneHorror**

I've read that exalted champions are best when in melee, but what about just camping them besides some marines with ranged weapons alongside a Chaos lord? Combining the buffs would pretty much guarantee that they would wound something. I was thinking of doing that for a unit of ranged marines, a unit of havocs, and a unit of berzerkers.

**JNAProductions**

Exalted Champs have NO effect on ranged ~~units~~ attacks.

**Eldarain**

In the event they are charged by the enemy?

**JNAProductions**

Edited my post-I meant to say Attacks, not units.

**eternalxfl**

godardc wrote:
Pandabeer wrote:
godardc wrote:
What book(s) would be needed to run pure World Eaters ? Does PA give them anything valuable ? Or just the 2.0 Chaos codex ?

You definitely need PA, it gives the remaining Codex Legions the same treatment Black Legion received in Vigilus Ablaze.

So chaos 2.0 and PA, got it

The Vigilus Ablaze book will get you access to the specialist detachments as well. With World Eaters, you will be particularly interested in the Soulforged Pack (for daemonforge heavy rosters) and Host Raptorial (jump pack heavy) detachments. There are others as well that may pique you're interest, these 2 are the most common though.

**godardc**

eternalxfl wrote:
godardc wrote:
Pandabeer wrote:
godardc wrote:
What book(s) would be needed to run pure World Eaters ? Does PA give them anything valuable ? Or just the 2.0 Chaos codex ?

You definitely need PA, it gives the remaining Codex Legions the same treatment Black Legion received in Vigilus Ablaze.

So chaos 2.0 and PA, got it

The Vigilus Ablaze book will get you access to the specialist detachments as well. With World Eaters, you will be particularly interested in the Soulforged Pack (for daemonforge heavy rosters) and Host Raptorial (jump pack heavy) detachments. There are others as well that may pique you're interest, these 2 are the most common though.

Well, there is no way I buy 3 books just to play one 1250/1500pts army

WP, GW...

**Yoyoyo**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
I've read that exalted champions are best when in melee

Melee support basically. Daemon Princes + Smash Lords have better mobility, MoEs are cheaper pure combat characters. But CSM is capable of getting full re-rolls in the fight phase from an Apostle and Exalted Champ, which is pretty solid if you can get a respectable unit into combat.

**lindsay40k**

p5freak wrote:
What can be done to protect an IW KLOS when you dont get first turn ? There is dour duty to reduce AP by 1, and the 6+ FNP from another strat. Then the DA with benediction of darkness for -1 to hit. Prepared positions for 2CP. Anything else ?

If a ruin is very flat, you might be able to sit in it and have a Heldrake provide the 50% obscurantism you need

Ultra swingy, but keep it in mind

**weaver9**

lindsay40k wrote:
p5freak wrote:
What can be done to protect an IW KLOS when you dont get first turn ? There is dour duty to reduce AP by 1, and the 6+ FNP from another strat. Then the DA with benediction of darkness for -1 to hit. Prepared positions for 2CP. Anything else ?

If a ruin is very flat, you might be able to sit in it and have a Heldrake provide the 50% obscurantism you need

Ultra swingy, but keep it in mind

Pretty sure you don't have to keep it's base perfectly flat. Be reasonable of course, but I don't think any movement rules prevent it from being tilted a bit due to terrain.

**Dr.Duck**

Yoyoyo wrote:
Dr.Duck wrote:
Working on a list to build towards as I get back into 40k, Ive taken alot of what ive read in this thread and others and combined what Ive really liked. List currently sits at 1783 minus 2 AL HQs.

Probably the best way to reorg your list would be IW Bat (Discos, MoP, Cultists, Crawlers), NL Patrol (DP, Cult, Talons + Termies), AL Bat (2x Sorcerers, 3x CSM). Throw a few Autocannons onto the CSM, an Icon onto the Termies, done.

IW Oblits might be a stronger choice though, since they benefit from the MoP’s abilities. 2x IW Bat (2x Discos, Prince, MoP, 3x Cult, 3x CSM, 3x Crawlers, 3x Oblits) and a NL Outrider (Smash Lord, 10x WT, 2x Spawn) would give you 14CP total and leave enough RP to summon an Epitome. And as nice as AL stratagems are, in your list, the Epitome is probably more useful alongside the Daemon Engines.

Thats an interesting thought. Im not sure if its worth missing out on Conceal though. absolutely preventing my opponents from shooting at said unit seem to me to be worth the drop in damage but I might be wrong.

**Eihnlazer**

Just curious, has anyone tried running the heavy plasma Hellblasters in Ironhands competitively yet?

Ignoring the penalty to move and shoot and +1 damage seem pretty nice on that squad.

**Yoyoyo**

Eihnlazer wrote:
Just curious, has anyone tried running the heavy plasma Hellblasters in Ironhands competitively yet?

Ignoring the penalty to move and shoot and +1 damage seem pretty nice on that squad.

We specialize more in chopping Hellblasters into little pieces with Warp Talons here.

**Eihnlazer**

Probably so

**Continuity**

Eihnlazer wrote:
Just curious, has anyone tried running the heavy plasma Hellblasters in Ironhands competitively yet?

Ignoring the penalty to move and shoot and +1 damage seem pretty nice on that squad.

Uh, yes fellow Iron Hands player, hellblasters are perfect in your iron hands, please take as many as possible. You can trust me, a trustworthy loyalist marine user.

Btw don't take leviathans, repulsors, or thunderfire cannons. Those are bad

**Not Online!!!**

Hahaha loyalist scum went arround the wrong corner

Jk of course

**Gidun**

Eihnlazer wrote:
Just curious, has anyone tried running the heavy plasma Hellblasters in Ironhands competitively yet?

Ignoring the penalty to move and shoot and +1 damage seem pretty nice on that squad.

**Not Online!!!**

boy, this seems like a IH raid. Not enough that they beat us in literally every tournament, now they also lay claim to this very thread.

I say no more.

Spoiler:

On another sidenote, it seems like the Renegade traits have fallen even more behind now. Infact i dare say that WB are now better then the 4 mark locked ones for renegades in vigilus ablaze.