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What sort of things would work for a pure Black Legion army? I really hate mixing legion detachments but not sure what sort of tricks to look at with Black Legion. Possessed? Lord Discos and daemon engines?

Wayniac wrote:
What sort of things would work for a pure Black Legion army? I really hate mixing legion detachments but not sure what sort of tricks to look at with Black Legion. Possessed? Lord Discos and daemon engines?

Lascannons. Lots of em. Make use of Abaddon's re-rolls and outrange your opponents with high value shots.

Abigail dropping with Obliterators works as well, simply because hitting with almost all your shots is a game changer on their already expensive price tag.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Abigail dropping with Obliterators works as well, simply because hitting with almost all your shots is a game changer on their already expensive price tag.

Iron Warriors do that better with a Termie Lord or JP Lord by simple virtue of the Rampant Technovirus strat. Increases your odds of getting that all-important D2+ from 66.67% to 88.89%. I feel Abby would be best in a Havoc/ FW Dread castle for full to hit rerolls (while Big Bad himself makes for a solid charge deterrent) or footslogging up surrounded by various Daemon Engines and a Discolord (make Discolord WL for the half damage taken WL trait).

Pandabeer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Abigail dropping with Obliterators works as well, simply because hitting with almost all your shots is a game changer on their already expensive price tag.

Iron Warriors do that better with a Termie Lord or JP Lord by simple virtue of the Rampant Technovirus strat. Increases your odds of getting that all-important D2+ from 66.67% to 88.89%. I feel Abby would be best in a Havoc/ FW Dread castle for full to hit rerolls (while Big Bad himself makes for a solid charge deterrent) or footslogging up surrounded by various Daemon Engines and a Discolord (make Discolord WL for the half damage taken WL trait).

Yeah Abby is wasted on one sqaud of oblits. He works well with big squads of csm, lots of daemon engines or a gunline full of havocks. I ise AL oblits because conceal means ypu can use them more often but IW works well also.

I'm not the one suggesting wasting him on a single squad of Obliterators. I'm talking going all out with 3×3

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm not the one suggesting wasting him on a single squad of Obliterators. I'm talking going all out with 3×3

285x3 + abigail outs you firmly in the questionable Part of Reserves no?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm not the one suggesting wasting him on a single squad of Obliterators. I'm talking going all out with 3×3

285x3 + abigail outs you firmly in the questionable Part of Reserves no?

Possibly. I thought they got cheaper than 95, which would be my mistake as I thought they were listed at 75 or 80 now.

Nope 95 down from 115 .
However that is ca19 and i don't trust it.

You mean you don't trust the document with a lot of various errors and ended up pricing Ogryns and Thunder Hammers obscenely more?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You mean you don't trust the document with a lot of various errors and ended up pricing Ogryns and Thunder Hammers obscenely more?

Yes, not to mention the whole disregard for many a FW subfaction list with issues since the start of 8th, or any various other mindboggling changes like dropping regular sorcerers AND MoP, (not to complain but i feel like there is a bit of a big enough difference between CSM psy and SM psy which seems to be the reason why the CSM sorcerer and MoP dropped to librarian standard. and whilest the MoP was imo necessary i just don't see it as good when we drop the regular CSM sorcerer aswell even though he HAS the superior Psy school. but maybee i am just too concerned.)

How about Abby with Nurgle Oblits and a Gnarlmaw? Can throw in a Defiler if you want to Warptime something into your opponent’s face, double advance and double heavy Flamer and a cheeky battlecannon hit

I had to go to one of the game stores today so I picked up a Maulerfiend since I wasn't sure what else to get. It would sit with 2 Venomcrawlers and a Lord Discordant as of right now.

Wayniac wrote:
I had to go to one of the game stores today so I picked up a Maulerfiend since I wasn't sure what else to get. It would sit with 2 Venomcrawlers and a Lord Discordant as of right now.

That’s actually a pretty decent BL contingent. The LD can take a WT that mitigates it’s vulnerability, and by taking a Warpsmith you can have a safe pair of hands for the +2M Soulforged aura.

The BL endurance WT is probably even better now. Recent buffs to Primaris mean the metagame’s medium-heavy firepower is attracted towards 2D attacks. Nerfing Autocannons and Bolt Sniper Rifles can go a long way.

If you’re up for Daemonkin, they’d all have great synergy with Slaaneshi Daemons or a Gnarlmaw. Advance plus charge plus +2M means one or two of them will start punching on T1.

I was thinking of getting some possessed because I had read something about a possessed bomb but couldn't find info on it and between the models being ugly as hell and possessed usually sucking I passed on them.

 lindsay40k wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I had to go to one of the game stores today so I picked up a Maulerfiend since I wasn't sure what else to get. It would sit with 2 Venomcrawlers and a Lord Discordant as of right now.

That’s actually a pretty decent BL contingent. The LD can take a WT that mitigates it’s vulnerability, and by taking a Warpsmith you can have a safe pair of hands for the +2M Soulforged aura.

The BL endurance WT is probably even better now. Recent buffs to Primaris mean the metagame’s medium-heavy firepower is attracted towards 2D attacks. Nerfing Autocannons and Bolt Sniper Rifles can go a long way.

If you’re up for Daemonkin, they’d all have great synergy with Slaaneshi Daemons or a Gnarlmaw. Advance plus charge plus +2M means one or two of them will start punching on T1.

However, outside that Warlord Trait and a couple of relics (Sightless Helm is actually neat), Black Legion doesn't offer anything. Alpha Legion is still king.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I had to go to one of the game stores today so I picked up a Maulerfiend since I wasn't sure what else to get. It would sit with 2 Venomcrawlers and a Lord Discordant as of right now.

That’s actually a pretty decent BL contingent. The LD can take a WT that mitigates it’s vulnerability, and by taking a Warpsmith you can have a safe pair of hands for the +2M Soulforged aura.

The BL endurance WT is probably even better now. Recent buffs to Primaris mean the metagame’s medium-heavy firepower is attracted towards 2D attacks. Nerfing Autocannons and Bolt Sniper Rifles can go a long way.

If you’re up for Daemonkin, they’d all have great synergy with Slaaneshi Daemons or a Gnarlmaw. Advance plus charge plus +2M means one or two of them will start punching on T1.

However, outside that Warlord Trait and a couple of relics (Sightless Helm is actually neat), Black Legion doesn't offer anything. Alpha Legion is still king.

Of course. I just like Black Legion and hate mixing legions in the same army.

Greater Possessed do interesting things with Venomcrawlers.


[EDIT]: Also, does anyone know why Battlescribe is yelling at me if I try to add more than 5 Havoc units into a Spearhead. It keeps saying that the Havoc limit is 5, and I cannot for the life of me work out why.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Greater Possessed do interesting things with Venomcrawlers.


[EDIT]: Also, does anyone know why Battlescribe is yelling at me if I try to add more than 5 Havoc units into a Spearhead. It keeps saying that the Havoc limit is 5, and I cannot for the life of me work out why.

...Huh! That's an odd bug. I think someone may have accidentally indicated the maximum number of units for Havocs is 5, although that's only the number of Havoc models in a single unit.

Might I suggest reporting this on the Warhammer 40,000 Battlescribe GitHub?

Wayniac wrote:
What sort of things would work for a pure Black Legion army? I really hate mixing legion detachments but not sure what sort of tricks to look at with Black Legion. Possessed? Lord Discos and daemon engines?

Abbadon with a gunline type of army. Because Abby is Black legion's best character. He is a monster in close combat, and he gives rerolls to all BL units within 6 inches. Yet, he can only move 6 inches. So, he is best in a gunline army to provide his aura buffs and be a massive counter attack melee threat. The only slight problem with this is that other armies can probably do gunline better than we can.

CSM's niche is its daemon engines. Something that loyalists armies don't have. But Daemon engines suffer from being jack of all traits, master of none. They can't shoot as well as dedicated shooting platforms, and they can't fight as well as dedicated fighting platforms. Plus they also have to be costed for being a daemon engines with a 5++, and most daemon engines have a 4+ BS only. You have to baby sit them with a Lord of discordant just to bring that to a BS 3+. And actually, I think Iron Warriors can do Daemon Engine theme better because a lot of their strategems benefit vehicles.

So, Abby gunline is probably more effective in this shooting edition. But Daemon engine army is more fluffy. And for possessed bomb, that works better with Alpha legion, not BL.

Wayniac wrote:
I was thinking of getting some possessed because I had read something about a possessed bomb but couldn't find info on it and between the models being ugly as hell and possessed usually sucking I passed on them.

Yes, its very hard to type possessed bomb into google

Good choice passing on them, they can kill only two knights in one turn, they suck really hard.

 p5freak wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I was thinking of getting some possessed because I had read something about a possessed bomb but couldn't find info on it and between the models being ugly as hell and possessed usually sucking I passed on them.

Yes, its very hard to type possessed bomb into google

Good choice passing on them, they can kill only two knights in one turn, they suck really hard.

Instead of snark you could've answered him.

@wayniac it's a Max blob of possesed with a Lord discordant infront with maximum AL -1 to hit stacked on it and conceal used on the possesed.

Eldenfirefly wrote:

CSM's niche is its daemon engines. Something that loyalists armies don't have. But Daemon engines suffer from being jack of all traits, master of none. They can't shoot as well as dedicated shooting platforms, and they can't fight as well as dedicated fighting platforms. Plus they also have to be costed for being a daemon engines with a 5++, and most daemon engines have a 4+ BS only. You have to baby sit them with a Lord of discordant just to bring that to a BS 3+. And actually, I think Iron Warriors can do Daemon Engine theme better because a lot of their strategems benefit vehicles.

Daemon engines require a lot of support. I lost three support characters when two of my venowcrawlers blew up, dealing more damage to me, than to the enemy It sucks that buff bubbles are 6", and crawlers explode 6"


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Not Online!!! wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I was thinking of getting some possessed because I had read something about a possessed bomb but couldn't find info on it and between the models being ugly as hell and possessed usually sucking I passed on them.

Yes, its very hard to type possessed bomb into google

Good choice passing on them, they can kill only two knights in one turn, they suck really hard.

Instead of snark you could've answered him.

I have answered him.

A venomcrawler at 115 pts with it's detonation rules can and should operate alone as a merry little suicide Bomber tick.
Atleast that is how i Run mine. Funnily enough it still get's shot surprisingly often and makes for a semi solid distraction carnifex. Semi solid because if you are not going first you might get it blown up on your side.

I'm running a WE venomcrawler and greater possessed in a battalion with Khorne daemons. Yes I know, loss of legion trait and everything, but it'll be fun to see if unstoppable ferocity and locus of rage will let me do interesting things. It will probably just end up (literally) blowing up in my face.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm running a WE venomcrawler and greater possessed in a battalion with Khorne daemons. Yes I know, loss of legion trait and everything, but it'll be fun to see if unstoppable ferocity and locus of rage will let me do interesting things. It will probably just end up (literally) blowing up in my face.

No matter if only blood was shed.
We also das some nurgle detachments a whole back. Not sure if as effective but certainly a interesting combination .

Please Tell us your results.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I was thinking of getting some possessed because I had read something about a possessed bomb but couldn't find info on it and between the models being ugly as hell and possessed usually sucking I passed on them.

Yes, its very hard to type possessed bomb into google

Good choice passing on them, they can kill only two knights in one turn, they suck really hard.

Instead of snark you could've answered him.

@wayniac it's a Max blob of possesed with a Lord discordant infront with maximum AL -1 to hit stacked on it and conceal used on the possesed.

Thanks for the non-snarky reply, unlike that other guy. So it seems like since I'm doing Black Legion and not Alpha I wouldn't get a lot of use out of them? Right now I think I'll focus on sort of a gunline with daemon engines and go from there. I just want to avoid mixing legions i hate that even being a thing but that means sticking 100% with Black Legion so I'm not really sure what the best use of that is.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm running a WE venomcrawler and greater possessed in a battalion with Khorne daemons. Yes I know, loss of legion trait and everything, but it'll be fun to see if unstoppable ferocity and locus of rage will let me do interesting things. It will probably just end up (literally) blowing up in my face.

I’m afraid taking CSM units in a Khorne detachment kills LoR. DAEMON has to be a *faction* keyword to unlock CD perks.

Also, for the sake of completion, UF isn’t going to apply to the CSM units

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm running a WE venomcrawler and greater possessed in a battalion with Khorne daemons. Yes I know, loss of legion trait and everything, but it'll be fun to see if unstoppable ferocity and locus of rage will let me do interesting things. It will probably just end up (literally) blowing up in my face.

No matter if only blood was shed.
We also das some nurgle detachments a whole back. Not sure if as effective but certainly a interesting combination .

Please Tell us your results.

I was thinking of having a feculent gnarlmaw in my Iron Warriors to both buff some Nurgle-marked obliterators and give them cover as well.

Wayniac wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I was thinking of getting some possessed because I had read something about a possessed bomb but couldn't find info on it and between the models being ugly as hell and possessed usually sucking I passed on them.

Yes, its very hard to type possessed bomb into google

Good choice passing on them, they can kill only two knights in one turn, they suck really hard.

Instead of snark you could've answered him.

@wayniac it's a Max blob of possesed with a Lord discordant infront with maximum AL -1 to hit stacked on it and conceal used on the possesed.

Thanks for the non-snarky reply, unlike that other guy. So it seems like since I'm doing Black Legion and not Alpha I wouldn't get a lot of use out of them? Right now I think I'll focus on sort of a gunline with daemon engines and go from there. I just want to avoid mixing legions i hate that even being a thing but that means sticking 100% with Black Legion so I'm not really sure what the best use of that is.

Legions and warbands often work together in fluff, so mixing Alpha and Black Legion would not be against the lore at all.

Oh I know that, just I like to keep themed armies especially at the normal scale of 40k. So I like to have an entire army with the same legion/chapter/craftworld etc whenever possible.