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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'm going to put forward a ridiculous but would be awesome if true theory. A Daemon cannon. And I mean Daemon cannon in the vain of that titan that that could shoot daemons. You would be able to choose what lesser daemon/ammo you fire, with the different gods resembling a different effect. Tzeentch is tesla, nurgle posion etc etc.

As part of that, there's a slim chance that the fired daemon can survive the impact and be immediately in combat with the target, with no need to keep points in reserve.

So a shokk attack gun for a new age? Needs a D66 table to work properly though.

No preorder next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/24/pre-order-next-week-ambots-titanic-weaponry-and-speed-freeks/

 Flinty wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'm going to put forward a ridiculous but would be awesome if true theory. A Daemon cannon. And I mean Daemon cannon in the vain of that titan that that could shoot daemons. You would be able to choose what lesser daemon/ammo you fire, with the different gods resembling a different effect. Tzeentch is tesla, nurgle posion etc etc.

As part of that, there's a slim chance that the fired daemon can survive the impact and be immediately in combat with the target, with no need to keep points in reserve.

So a shokk attack gun for a new age? Needs a D66 table to work properly though.

Totally forgot the shokk attack gun did this. Put rather than trying to teleport snotlings inside your armor, more throwing a daemon at your head. Maybe with it's sword pointing at you.

zamerion wrote:
No preorder next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/24/pre-order-next-week-ambots-titanic-weaponry-and-speed-freeks/

Filler week. It happens.

The new image looks very portal-easy to me, I can picture a warp portal with a small pedestal or something

At this point they're risking just getting spoiled on the internet prior to the actual release.

Mandragola wrote:
Poor old Abaddon. He broke the imperium in half causing loads of planets to fall to chaos. It’s arguably more than Horus ever managed. What else do you guys want from he guy?

Erm, no. Horus legitimately conquered from 1/3 to 1/2 of the Galaxy in just a decade. Had Terra fallen, he would have had Dark Imperium ready to rule. Failbaddon, in comparison, took 10.000 years to accomplish exactly nothing, and when he finally did, he just shat all over the map making it virtually useless for both sides. Sure, Imperium lost tens of thousands of worlds, but seeing these turned into dead, unproductive daemon worlds that will never be of any use again and massively feeding the gods, something that supposedly goes against both goals the 'armless has (namely, making gods insignificant and ruling everything himself). From where I sit, that doesn't exactly look like a great success.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Symbio Joe wrote:

The word about Failbaddon the most unsuccessful Warmaster should've landed at their doorstep by now. If they are going to do something about it we will know soon.

Abaddon's primary goals are so immense in scale that they cannot succeed, or the whole setting goes up in flames. If blowing up Cadia wasn't enough to satisfy the Failbaddon crowd, what would be?

How about, you know, him having even one of 1/10000 of success that Horus had? To make him look less like incompetent sock puppet?

I mean, we went from 12 failed Black Crusades into dumb retcon #1, stating it was all totally meant to lose because he totes was accomplishing other things (namely expending billions of soldiers and tens of thousands of astartes plus hundreds of warships to accomplish such lofty goals as pissing on one grave, killing three digit number of people on that one ship or grabbing a fancy cutlery piece) all of which hilariously enough made the 12 failed Crusades look like epitome of competence in comparison as at least there is no shame in losing honest fight, but throwing away truck full of gold to grab a handful of peanuts intentionally makes you look like headless loser...

Then came dumb retcon #2, the crimson path, stating Failbaddon wants to rule the imperium and deny the gods by sinking most of it into the warp, making it impossible to be ruled by mortal and giving various daemons, daemon princes, and greater daemons he surrounds himself with limitless power - genius! It's like wanting to stop communist revolution by delivering codes to the entire US and Russian nuclear arsenals on a silver platter to the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Gee, I wonder what he intends to do when he wins and finds out no one needs him around anymore, with all of the above guys now playing dice who will claim his suddenly worthless hide now that gods no longer have to pretend they like him?

Of course, we're now on ADBs dumb retcon #3, which somehow manages to mix the above two into even greater ball of fail (combined with Imperium, Eldar and Necrons being blind, deaf, and stupid pretending the thing all of which hate the most wasn't happening last ten millenia and not utilizing their precognitive abilities or even common sense even once to thwart Abby) as he had thrown colossal amounts of material and lives away only to have his ass handed to him and his last irreplaceable super battleship lost uselessly (given he could have just chucked big piece of rock at Cadia in BC nr 1 and called it a day if that really was his goal).

Oh, and then he took a century long nap, apparently, and to add insult to injury, just after he blown up Cadia BC nr 13 splintered into pieces instantly leaving him with tiny amount of forces left as everyone else frakked off to do their own thing. So, he not only had zero say over his demonic followers, apparently his mortal ones didn't gave two grots about him either. Does any of that not sound like a hopeless failure to any of you?

Cool fanfic.

zamerion wrote:
No preorder next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/24/pre-order-next-week-ambots-titanic-weaponry-and-speed-freeks/

At the risk of sounding whiney and entitled...…..

WHERE ARE MY SHINEY NEW TOY SOLDIERS GW? I WANTS THEM NOW!!
*cough*

So another "breather" week? The longer this goes on, the more I'm thinking there is going to be a real tsunami of releases and not just the Shadow Spear box. My wallet is currently shivering in anticipation like a sub at there first dominatrix

 Irbis wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Poor old Abaddon. He broke the imperium in half causing loads of planets to fall to chaos. It’s arguably more than Horus ever managed. What else do you guys want from he guy?

Erm, no. Horus legitimately conquered from 1/3 to 1/2 of the Galaxy in just a decade. Had Terra fallen, he would have had Dark Imperium ready to rule.

Since when?

Genuinely curious, because I didn't get that impression, well, anywhere. As far as I've been able to tell, Horus did the complete opposite, conquered the barest amount of worlds when he turned traitor, and focused more on taking other Legions out of the picture (Drop Site Massacre, Prospero, Calth, Signus) and making a beeline for Terra, securing only the minimum safe amount of worlds for his supply chain as possible. He certainly didn't take and hold even a quarter of the galaxy, but, rather fittingly for his Legion philosophy, went straight for the throat. I'm pretty sure he makes a point of this in Galaxy in Flames, that he can waste no time in getting to Terra before his father can mobilise enough troops to defend it.

Again, feel free to show me where Horus conquered that amount when he rebelled, but I don't think I've ever seen it.

And as JSG said, "cool fanfic". Disagree with most of what you wrote, but that's fine, but also off topic, I suppose.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Poor old Abaddon. He broke the imperium in half causing loads of planets to fall to chaos. It’s arguably more than Horus ever managed. What else do you guys want from he guy?

Erm, no. Horus legitimately conquered from 1/3 to 1/2 of the Galaxy in just a decade. Had Terra fallen, he would have had Dark Imperium ready to rule.

Since when?

Genuinely curious, because I didn't get that impression, well, anywhere. As far as I've been able to tell, Horus did the complete opposite, conquered the barest amount of worlds when he turned traitor, and focused more on taking other Legions out of the picture (Drop Site Massacre, Prospero, Calth, Signus) and making a beeline for Terra, securing only the minimum safe amount of worlds for his supply chain as possible. He certainly didn't take and hold even a quarter of the galaxy, but, rather fittingly for his Legion philosophy, went straight for the throat. I'm pretty sure he makes a point of this in Galaxy in Flames, that he can waste no time in getting to Terra before his father can mobilise enough troops to defend it.

Again, feel free to show me where Horus conquered that amount when he rebelled, but I don't think I've ever seen it.

And as JSG said, "cool fanfic". Disagree with most of what you wrote, but that's fine, but also off topic, I suppose.

Horus didn't have the ships though did he? I'm right in thinking that the legions, plus the separate battlegroups would have been able to crowd out Horus in space if he didn't act quick to cut the head of the snake, he would not have won a protracted war, so taking and holding all worlds along the route would have worked against him, unless he systematically destroyed loyal legions along the way, which would have took longer and been difficult.

The Big E was no joke either who's to say what he could have had built and waiting for Horus at Terra if Horus took 100 years to get there.

 Irbis wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Poor old Abaddon. He broke the imperium in half causing loads of planets to fall to chaos. It’s arguably more than Horus ever managed. What else do you guys want from he guy?

Erm, no. Horus legitimately conquered from 1/3 to 1/2 of the Galaxy in just a decade. Had Terra fallen, he would have had Dark Imperium ready to rule. Failbaddon, in comparison, took 10.000 years to accomplish exactly nothing, and when he finally did, he just shat all over the map making it virtually useless for both sides. Sure, Imperium lost tens of thousands of worlds, but seeing these turned into dead, unproductive daemon worlds that will never be of any use again and massively feeding the gods, something that supposedly goes against both goals the 'armless has (namely, making gods insignificant and ruling everything himself). From where I sit, that doesn't exactly look like a great success.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Symbio Joe wrote:

The word about Failbaddon the most unsuccessful Warmaster should've landed at their doorstep by now. If they are going to do something about it we will know soon.

Abaddon's primary goals are so immense in scale that they cannot succeed, or the whole setting goes up in flames. If blowing up Cadia wasn't enough to satisfy the Failbaddon crowd, what would be?

How about, you know, him having even one of 1/10000 of success that Horus had? To make him look less like incompetent sock puppet?

I mean, we went from 12 failed Black Crusades into dumb retcon #1, stating it was all totally meant to lose because he totes was accomplishing other things (namely expending billions of soldiers and tens of thousands of astartes plus hundreds of warships to accomplish such lofty goals as pissing on one grave, killing three digit number of people on that one ship or grabbing a fancy cutlery piece) all of which hilariously enough made the 12 failed Crusades look like epitome of competence in comparison as at least there is no shame in losing honest fight, but throwing away truck full of gold to grab a handful of peanuts intentionally makes you look like headless loser...

Then came dumb retcon #2, the crimson path, stating Failbaddon wants to rule the imperium and deny the gods by sinking most of it into the warp, making it impossible to be ruled by mortal and giving various daemons, daemon princes, and greater daemons he surrounds himself with limitless power - genius! It's like wanting to stop communist revolution by delivering codes to the entire US and Russian nuclear arsenals on a silver platter to the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Gee, I wonder what he intends to do when he wins and finds out no one needs him around anymore, with all of the above guys now playing dice who will claim his suddenly worthless hide now that gods no longer have to pretend they like him?

Of course, we're now on ADBs dumb retcon #3, which somehow manages to mix the above two into even greater ball of fail (combined with Imperium, Eldar and Necrons being blind, deaf, and stupid pretending the thing all of which hate the most wasn't happening last ten millenia and not utilizing their precognitive abilities or even common sense even once to thwart Abby) as he had thrown colossal amounts of material and lives away only to have his ass handed to him and his last irreplaceable super battleship lost uselessly (given he could have just chucked big piece of rock at Cadia in BC nr 1 and called it a day if that really was his goal).

Oh, and then he took a century long nap, apparently, and to add insult to injury, just after he blown up Cadia BC nr 13 splintered into pieces instantly leaving him with tiny amount of forces left as everyone else frakked off to do their own thing. So, he not only had zero say over his demonic followers, apparently his mortal ones didn't gave two grots about him either. Does any of that not sound like a hopeless failure to any of you?

But you are completely wrong. There was no Retcon #1. The 12 crusades were always from the moment they were written meant to all have ulterior motives. The earliest mention is from 3rd edition which explicitly stated this (as I said before in 2nd black crusade was just the term for any big chaos invasion). There never was a retcon to make them not losses. I don't know where you got your information but I will tell you it's not factually correct and the 12 crusades ere never failures.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Horus didn't have the ships though did he? I'm right in thinking that the legions, plus the separate battlegroups would have been able to crowd out Horus in space if he didn't act quick to cut the head of the snake, he would not have won a protracted war, so taking and holding all worlds along the route would have worked against him, unless he systematically destroyed loyal legions along the way, which would have took longer and been difficult.

The Big E was no joke either who's to say what he could have had built and waiting for Horus at Terra if Horus took 100 years to get there.

That's what I thought. But all the same, I may start this discussion in 40k Background, as it seems fun.

Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

John D Law wrote:
Did the newest one get posted yet? Might as well put up the actual pic I suppose

Seems very terrain-like.

We we find a lot of repeating motifs among the buildings in the artwork there's a good chance it'll be something we can buy.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

It'll be gutting if they preview all this stuff, shadow spear drops then the rest of it is trickled out over a month

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

well let's examine what we KNOW we're getting

1st: new CSMs.
2nd Obliterators (one can assume a duel mutilator kit, if it doesn't happen we can expect the unit to slowly dissapper)
3rd: New posessed
4th: a new deamon engine



I'd assume we're not going to see new raptors as those are relativly new. we can't be sure on havoks yet but I'd hope so. especially if GW is indeed phasing out, long term, the old school kits, then CSM players would eventuallyy, no longer be able to just buy a devesatator kit and use their spare chaos bits to chaosify them.

Probably uniquely, I’m relieved we don’t get preorders next week. I’m going to a tournament two weeks after that. The new primaris guys would have made my army better, so I’d have had to buy and paint up a bunch of them in a week. Now I can’t, so no problem.

I guess it probably means my army will be out of date the actual day of the event, and worse than it could have been, but oh well.

Dudeface wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

It'll be gutting if they preview all this stuff, shadow spear drops then the rest of it is trickled out over a month

my guess is thats gonna be the plan. drop shadowspear then release an entire new CSM line over the month

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

It'll be gutting if they preview all this stuff, shadow spear drops then the rest of it is trickled out over a month

my guess is thats gonna be the plan. drop shadowspear then release an entire new CSM line over the month

I'm ok with a month long release, I just don't want a situation where each unit is revealed each week and a full week of fluffy articles.

It seems very entitled reading my own words, I guess just as time goes on these overly protracted marketing schemes actually give time for the hype to wear off for me.

Dudeface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

It'll be gutting if they preview all this stuff, shadow spear drops then the rest of it is trickled out over a month

my guess is thats gonna be the plan. drop shadowspear then release an entire new CSM line over the month

I'm ok with a month long release, I just don't want a situation where each unit is revealed each week and a full week of fluffy articles.

It seems very entitled reading my own words, I guess just as time goes on these overly protracted marketing schemes actually give time for the hype to wear off for me.

no you're absolutely right, hype fatigue is a thing. if they spend all month hyping us for a 5 item release towards the middle or end of march... that'll backfire

At least we'll get a chunk of new units in Shadowspear, which they can't drag out. MoP, Possessed, Venomcrawler, CSM.
That just leaves:
Abaddon
Terminators
Terrain(?)
Sorcerer
Dark Apostle
Plus whatever else they might have (Havoc, maybe?)
At least 2 or 3 weeks worth of models, excluding Shadowspear (wonder if they'll release the contents at around the same team, since CSM are sort of an essential part of the release)

It seems counter productive to release the Ambot right before a huge box you've been teasing for a month. I thought for sure there was gonna be a huge reveal today but I guess not

 fraser1191 wrote:
It seems counter productive to release the Ambot right before a huge box you've been teasing for a month. I thought for sure there was gonna be a huge reveal today but I guess not

Why? It’s a niche product for a niche game. Theoretically the market for it is small, stable, and largely separate to the one for the campaign box. Better to get a short run out now and use the extra time to build up stock for the big thing before you have to ship it.

Although I think they may have underestimated the number of people wanting to use them as ersatz Ogryns, especially for genecult armies.

I guess there’s a chance (risk?) that rather than this being a new CSM codex it’s some other kind of thing. Maybe the daemonkin will become their own sub-faction.

The wheel thing does look like a portal of some kind. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was compatible with the admech terrain, to create part of the daemonforge thing that the smurfs attack.

 fraser1191 wrote:
It seems counter productive to release the Ambot right before a huge box you've been teasing for a month. I thought for sure there was gonna be a huge reveal today but I guess not

It's a specialist game week- ambots, AT weapons, made to order Skaven. Gives a bit of breather room in the production schedule and peoples budgets.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
It seems counter productive to release the Ambot right before a huge box you've been teasing for a month. I thought for sure there was gonna be a huge reveal today but I guess not

It's a specialist game week- ambots, AT weapons, made to order Skaven. Gives a bit of breather room in the production schedule and peoples budgets.

I don't think that's what they mean. The Ambot is a big release for Necromunda, however with the big swirling rumour mill around new chaos, firstly the ambot is overshadowed in part, but secondly, people may not purchase it as they are unsure how much cash they will need to buy the new chaos and/or primaris goodies in the next few weeks.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
It seems counter productive to release the Ambot right before a huge box you've been teasing for a month. I thought for sure there was gonna be a huge reveal today but I guess not

It's a specialist game week- ambots, AT weapons, made to order Skaven. Gives a bit of breather room in the production schedule and peoples budgets.

I don't think that's what they mean. The Ambot is a big release for Necromunda, however with the big swirling rumour mill around new chaos, firstly the ambot is overshadowed in part, but secondly, people may not purchase it as they are unsure how much cash they will need to buy the new chaos and/or primaris goodies in the next few weeks.

.

Yes this is what I was getting at, personally I want an ambull for like a random board threat but never got it because Shadow spear is coming

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

Are you serious?

Do you remember "Orktober"?

6 buggies and a codex.

You should be happy to be getting any infantry models at all, let alone a new centrepiece (as if CSM need any more) in Abby.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

Are you serious?

Do you remember "Orktober"?

6 buggies and a codex.

You should be happy to be getting any infantry models at all, let alone a new centrepiece (as if CSM need any more) in Abby.

I know it was like 5 years ago now, but Orks are one of the armies with Tau, marines and tyranids that have had a huge update and modernisation of their base models in recent times. Yeah you still have a fair few resin squad kits, but they don't look dated at least, other armies cannot say the same. Chaos are absolutely awful model wise, it's an embarrassment to the hobby really.