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2019/02/26 04:47:15
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Well if we base it off of Stormcast chambers for the lolz, their first proper chamber release was also called the Vanguard Chamber. So possibly a Librarian force of Primaris next year?
#confirmed
2019/02/26 06:28:25
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I could see the Gravis armored troops being the equivalent of a 1st company in a non-Primaris marine chapter. Basically imagine the Deathwing, but as Primaris in Gravis armor variants.
2019/02/26 06:30:42
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Tiberius501 wrote: Well if we base it off of Stormcast chambers for the lolz, their first proper chamber release was also called the Vanguard Chamber. So possibly a Librarian force of Primaris next year?
#confirmed
It’s also the name of a type of detachment in the core book so maybe any future Primaris releases will be under the heading of “ outrider” or “spearhead”?
2019/02/26 07:23:35
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
JohnnyHell wrote: I mean, they told you exactly how long you’d have to wait and are releasing more than expected, with more regular updates. Not sure how that compares to Orktober other than similar wishes to “skip to the end” and get the releases!
The issue here (for me) is simply letting us know the release date, so I know when to have how much $ put aside (and how much I can safely spend in my fortnightly pay periods before then)
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bullyboy wrote: It was specifically stated at LVO that these guys all use the Reiver armour, including the Librarian. They are supposed to be an infiltration unit so I expect all new units, rules, and psychic powers.
Does this mean there's gonna be a wave of marines in all gravis armour at some point?
Eh, maybe. I don't know how you would do Gravis Troops (these added Chambers of Primaris seam to be covering all of the FO slots).
I don't think GW are going to themselves to just the three existing MK-X types. So far the majority of the Vanguard do seem to use a version of the Phobos armour. But we have already seen one exception to this. The drop devastators look to have a new varient that has elements from both the Tacticus and Inceptor Gravis styles.
If there is a wave heavily based around the Gravis, then we could again see something new that fits the "theme" to go alongside them.
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2019/02/26 07:33:34
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates
It will likely have formations for Primaris Vanguard as well. There will be bitching about MOAR MUHREENS! like usual too.
Twice the bitching, because Marines and Spiky Marines and not enough Xenos.
One thing to point out, the first Vigilus book focuses on the first half of the war, namely the War of the Beasts as the Imperium tries to deal with the invading Orks and Genestealer Cultists who had been prematurely triggered into an uprising by the arrival of said Orks. Chaos didn't show up in force until the end of that one, setting the stage for the second book.
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2019/02/26 08:08:24
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: my money is on a viglius 2 book, heavy on chaos 8th ed formations and a couple of data slates
It will likely have formations for Primaris Vanguard as well. There will be bitching about MOAR MUHREENS! like usual too.
Twice the bitching, because Marines and Spiky Marines and not enough Xenos.
One thing to point out, the first Vigilus book focuses on the first half of the war, namely the War of the Beasts as the Imperium tries to deal with the invading Orks and Genestealer Cultists who had been prematurely triggered into an uprising by the arrival of said Orks. Chaos didn't show up in force until the end of that one, setting the stage for the second book.
yeah Book 2 will likely involve the chaos invasion and feature rules for vanguard forces. my guess is we'll get a Vanguard speciality detachment, a detachment for a few specal chapters, A raven guard one based around a mix of vanguard and standard primaris for example. a CSM detachment, a Black legion specific one (likely based around Abaddon) a CSM one, one for 1k sons, one for death guard, etc. and maybe one for some other forces on world, such as custodes or something.
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2019/02/26 09:16:54
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I expect the primaris sniper dudes will literally be revier stats with a 36" s4 -1 rapid fire 1 with the sniper rule and MW on 6 gun which will likely have the word bolter in it like 'assassin bolt rifle' so you'll rapid fire it if you dont move quite far
camo cloaks like scouts and infiltrate like scouts.
expect the libby will be a normal libby with one special rule that will let himself and one unit redeploy at the start of the game, maybe a -1 to hit aura... something like that
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2019/02/26 09:30:18
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I like how people speculate termie trophy rack is Abby when I put picture that matches it nearly 100% here 50 pages ago...
Note also far left guy, owner of the chainaxe possibly?
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2019/02/26 13:18:01
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
JohnnyHell wrote: I mean, they told you exactly how long you’d have to wait and are releasing more than expected, with more regular updates. Not sure how that compares to Orktober other than similar wishes to “skip to the end” and get the releases!
The issue here (for me) is simply letting us know the release date, so I know when to have how much $ put aside (and how much I can safely spend in my fortnightly pay periods before then)
They gave us 80 days notice. They revealed several units from the box set and said the rest would be shown at the end of the countdown. They are giving teasers of kits daily to give an idea of how big this release is, and that extends beyond a starter set.
I'm not sure what else they could do to inform us of when it's coming. We don't know the release date, but we can infer with the countdown coming on a Tuesday, preorders will go up that Saturday or the following Saturday at the latest.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
2019/02/26 13:23:34
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
streetsamurai wrote: Have the bad feeling that the new terminators will turned out to only be a single character in termi armour
People expecting things like a whole new terminator kit are setting themselves up for disappointment.
I'm not saying it won't happen, but what I am saying is we know that these teasers revolve around a boxed set, and we have no reason to believe rather than hope that Chaos will be receiving entirely new or revamped, stand-alone kits alongside this release. We don't even know that Abaddon will be available separately (right away, that is; no doubt he would receive the Eldrad treatment if he's part of the boxed game).
All this talk of brand-new terminators and everything else has been people hyping themselves up with wishlist items. It will be really cool if Chaos gets a proper revamp to some outdated kits but we have no reason to expect this.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/02/26 14:04:29
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
streetsamurai wrote: Have the bad feeling that the new terminators will turned out to only be a single character in termi armour
People expecting things like a whole new terminator kit are setting themselves up for disappointment.
I'm not saying it won't happen, but what I am saying is we know that these teasers revolve around a boxed set, and we have no reason to believe rather than hope that Chaos will be receiving entirely new or revamped, stand-alone kits alongside this release. We don't even know that Abaddon will be available separately (right away, that is; no doubt he would receive the Eldrad treatment if he's part of the boxed game).
If Abaddon were part of Shadowspear, they would have shown him in the cover art/poster that will be included in the box. That we have seen already.
Because that's what they frigging do with these boxed sets.
All this talk of brand-new terminators and everything else has been people hyping themselves up with wishlist items. It will be really cool if Chaos gets a proper revamp to some outdated kits but we have no reason to expect this.
Actually at this point, for us to be seeing things still associated with Shadowspear? It would have to be something akin to a new Dark Imperium set NOT a battlebox like they've said it is. Or the box will have to be around $250 a pop instead of the normal $160.
2019/02/26 14:08:09
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
The last two CSM release (TS, DG) have had three new terminator units between them. DG also had an ETB set and two lords. We're getting a new terminator unit and maybe a bodyguard kit for Abaddon similar to Deathshroud.
2019/02/26 14:27:19
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Why wouldn't there be a new terminator kit? We've seen one terminator model with a two handed mace in the artwork (who very well could be a character), as well as back spikes, power fist, and possible gun from the daemon rumor engine. That makes it seem like more than one terminator is coming. If it was just a single character, he wouldn't have all these options. Unless they release a new version of the multi part Terminator lord (which would be nice, tbh)
Its like people theorizing the possessed may just be a single character instead of a unit.
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2019/02/26 14:29:20
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Its like people theorizing the possessed may just be a single character instead of a unit.
yea! read the above story
There are two possessed pictured behind the MoP in the first video.
Yeah, I agree. It lends more credence to them being Characters/Retinue for the Master of Possesion, rather than a new Possessed kit.
I kind wonder even more now if all the rumour engine photos are of his Retinue and not actually replacement kits for Termies/possessed, etc
Tiberius501 wrote: Well if we base it off of Stormcast chambers for the lolz, their first proper chamber release was also called the Vanguard Chamber. So possibly a Librarian force of Primaris next year?
#confirmed
The Librarian Chamber of Space Marines is called "Grey Knights". I'm sure they'll get Primaris-scale models eventually, but probably not for a few years.
2019/02/26 16:11:50
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: I expect the primaris sniper dudes will literally be revier stats with a 36" s4 -1 rapid fire 1 with the sniper rule and MW on 6 gun which will likely have the word bolter in it like 'assassin bolt rifle' so you'll rapid fire it if you dont move quite far
camo cloaks like scouts and infiltrate like scouts.
expect the libby will be a normal libby with one special rule that will let himself and one unit redeploy at the start of the game, maybe a -1 to hit aura... something like that
I can tell you right now that the snipers will have special ammo (was mentioned at LVO) including the ability to shoot round corners (as the one GW staffer stated). Unless he was trolling, these won't be your stock sniper rifle dudes.
2019/02/26 16:18:59
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: I expect the primaris sniper dudes will literally be revier stats with a 36" s4 -1 rapid fire 1 with the sniper rule and MW on 6 gun which will likely have the word bolter in it like 'assassin bolt rifle' so you'll rapid fire it if you dont move quite far
camo cloaks like scouts and infiltrate like scouts.
expect the libby will be a normal libby with one special rule that will let himself and one unit redeploy at the start of the game, maybe a -1 to hit aura... something like that
I can tell you right now that the snipers will have special ammo (was mentioned at LVO) including the ability to shoot round corners (as the one GW staffer stated). Unless he was trolling, these won't be your stock sniper rifle dudes.
Which certainly jives with them not being Troops (just my speculation) as GW has been clever enough so far to not completely replace/make redudant any OldMarine units. If Elimiators are Troops, Sniper Scouts are 100% redundant, which GW has not yet done with any Primaris unit.
Even Tactical Marines offer special/combi-weapon options over Intercessors.
Sniper scouts will be an awful lot cheaper than eliminators, I'd assume. Eliminators are going to be tougher and have better guns.
That said, I'd be amazed if they were troops. The guys in not-reiver armour might be troops but I'd assume the snipers and autocannon guys would be something else. I'm just not sure what, and I hope they aren't yet more elites.
2019/02/26 16:29:32
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I expect the snipers to be elites, but there to be a heavy support unit too. I can't imagine there being a Troop unit with access to a heavy weapon as this would practically eliminate Intercessors as a choice. And as we've seen from the artwork there is at least 2 hvy weapon options, the autocannon type and gatling weapon.
