Shadow Spear / New Chaos Space Marines

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**Marshal Loss**

I think we'll see Abaddon when the countdown hits 0, which was specifically put in his trailer video after all.

**Marleymoo**

I don't think we'll see a box set release until after the April White Dwarf. From the preview of the March edition there was no mention of shadow spear.

I think on Tuesday we'll get to see Abaddon, that's it. Maybe the following Saturday Shadowspear will go on a two week pre-order. That would take us up to about the April White Dwarf preview time.

Remember the Malign Portents countdown only led to the world wide campaign thing, the soul wars box didn't appear for a while later.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ghaz wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
fraser1191 wrote:
"Shadowspear is a new battlebox. Like Forgebane, Tooth and Claw and Wake the Dead, you’ll find two armies, ready to fight. But there’s a twist – every single model in the box is a brand-new sculpt. Inside, you’ll find the Chaos miniatures you’ve always wanted, updated and adorned with dark and gothic detail, and pitted against them are the first of the Primaris Vanguard Space Marines."

Did they say that 80 days ago?

No, just twenty days ago.

Right, so the original point stands.

**Jadenim**

So I just quickly skimmed through the stories again; the first one doesn’t mention any units by name, but here’s the list of stuff from the other two. Not saying this is definitive, but given the current GW trend for everything that’s shown or named to be based on actual models, so that you can buy and recreate it, I’d say this is a good indication of what might be in the release.

Spoiler:

**Sgt. Cortez**

There is already a Warpsmith mini (and there always has been one since 3rd edition). Granted it's failcast, but it looks good and nothing in the rumor pics looks like it could belong to a Warpsmith.

I really wonder what Oblits will get ruleswize as GW stated they'd get stronger weapons. Going from the story and the pics I could see them going back to their old rules with actual weapons instead of the random ones they have currently. Probably a rule shooting two different ones every turn.

**BrianDavion**

Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
FunkyBoy wrote:

Speaking of Dark Vengeance Chosen, were they possessed? I can't remember... 'cos the current set of possessed to me, look so silly... so if there are new ones coming out I pray they are bloody good.

The Dark Vengeance Chosen weren't generic Chosen, even though pretty much everyone uses them that way. The models were specifically Crimson Slaughter where their armor, if I remember correctly, had become 'alive' constantly shifting and warping itself into agony screaming and moaning faces presumably from the innocents the Crimson Slaughter had murdered. The only way the armor quieted down was through more killing which after a while the screams and faces would return. At least that is what I remember about the literature that came with the Dark Vengeance boxed set. I only read through it the one time as a friend and I played through the scenarios. I have looked at it since and that was a couple years ago.

I would be very VERY surprised if the miniatures were designed around the Crimson Slaughter lore and not the other way around.

I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.

All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.

my impression is that the crimson slaughter where created in the old days of GW where the focus was more on renegade chapters. and the goal was to create a new posterr boy chaos faction, that wasn't a traitor legion. player response was tepid at best, and calls for legion rules kept coming, that alongside the m,ass intreast in the HH, forced GW to reconsider their plans and they returned to putting the traitor legions front and center with 8th edition

**Sotahullu**

Heck, they could finally release a proper cultist set for Chaos and they could go wild with it.

**Seneca**

Marleymoo wrote:
I don't think we'll see a box set release until after the April White Dwarf. From the preview of the March edition there was no mention of shadow spear.

I think on Tuesday we'll get to see Abaddon, that's it. Maybe the following Saturday Shadowspear will go on a two week pre-order. That would take us up to about the April White Dwarf preview time.

Remember the Malign Portents countdown only led to the world wide campaign thing, the soul wars box didn't appear for a while later.

White Dwarf does not do previews anymore. Only fluff and rules. GW clearly said that previews are now a thing of the community page.

**H.B.M.C.**

Wouldn't surprise me if we saw full Beastmen and Renegade Guard releases, or, rather Hornfaced Gorkillers and Traitoris Millitarum as they'll probably end up being called.

**aracersss**

I don't see either forming part of csm tbh ... maybe on a later release for a heretic ig
... that way they can just add meat by bringing the entire IG line with a new upgrade frame

**H.B.M.C.**

I'd be happy with an actual Cultist kit to be honest. And plastic Havocs.

**BrianDavion**

whose to say we won't get a release schedule of march being CSMs, the first half of april being vanguard space marines (remember that the shadowspear blurb says that shadowspear will give us "the first of the vanguard space marines" which to me implies we'll see more) and the second half of april being the return of the lost and the damned. Honestly lost and the damned coming out feels right, GW's been ressurecting an aweful lot of old school stuff (GSC's being the most obvious example) lost and the damned is a pretty obvious missing hole to fill

**Chikout**

The rumour from someone on tga who is usually correct, is that the box set will go up for preorder on the 9th but it will be a two week preorder. The individual chaos releases will come after that.

**Dudeface**

Chikout wrote:
The rumour from someone on tga who is usually correct, is that the box set will go up for preorder on the 9th but it will be a two week preorder. The individual chaos releases will come after that.

So at least 3 more weeks of the daemon rumour engine then? Or will it stop and just leave us with previews and no kits they match for 3 weeks, but no further previews?

The marketing process in this case is confusing lol

Someone on reddit apparently has a new chaos marine head:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/avojjl/instagram_user_cerxis_found_this_new_csm_head_in/?utm_source=reddit-android

Old news, ignore me!

**Casualty**

aracersss wrote:
Albino Squirrel wrote:
That's not the same head, though.

indeed that's a new one
btw here is some gw humor

Spoiler:

Genuinely laughed out loud.

**H.B.M.C.**

The 9th is a week (and day) away. I doubt there will be rumour engine stuff for things they reveal during the pre-order. It'd be redundant.

**Danny76**

BrianDavion wrote:
whose to say we won't get a release schedule of march being CSMs, the first half of april being vanguard space marines (remember that the shadowspear blurb says that shadowspear will give us "the first of the vanguard space marines" which to me implies we'll see more) and the second half of april being the return of the lost and the damned. Honestly lost and the damned coming out feels right, GW's been ressurecting an aweful lot of old school stuff (GSC's being the most obvious example) lost and the damned is a pretty obvious missing hole to fill

I mean.. that’s a bit out of left field isn’t it?
Love the optimism, but there’s nothing even hinting towards that right?

If anything the second half of April would be AoS related.

**Redemption**

Daemon engine shows a daemon engine:

**Sotahullu**

Redemption wrote:
Daemon engine shows a daemon engine:

Alternative bit for Venomcrawler perhaps? Or entirely new daemon engine.

**Tiberius501**

New defiler?

**Starfarer**

Very similar to the back legs of the Venomcrawler but not identical. I'm guessing like the Bloat Drone for Death Guard we'll see a starter set version of the Venomcrawler, and a full kit release separately with alternate weapon options, like the baleflamer that was teased in an earlier rumor engine post.

**Dudeface**

Starfarer wrote:
Very similar to the back legs of the Venomcrawler but not identical. I'm guessing like the Bloat Drone for Death Guard we'll see a starter set version of the Venomcrawler, and a full kit release separately with alternate weapon options, like the baleflamer that was teased in an earlier rumor engine post.

I'm fairly certain it had been confirmed everything was a full kit in this box set?

**Tiberius501**

Dudeface wrote:
Starfarer wrote:
Very similar to the back legs of the Venomcrawler but not identical. I'm guessing like the Bloat Drone for Death Guard we'll see a starter set version of the Venomcrawler, and a full kit release separately with alternate weapon options, like the baleflamer that was teased in an earlier rumor engine post.

I'm fairly certain it had been confirmed everything was a full kit in this box set?

On the Facebook page someone said it looked like the Venomcrawler legs, but GW posted back saying that they don't post pictures of stuff they've already revealed. So safe to say it most likely isn't the Venomcrawler.

**Latro_**

yea maybe something like this

**Duskweaver**

I think it's just the other back leg of the Venomcrawler (i.e. the right rear leg rather than the left rear leg that we've already seen). It's mechanically identical, just with slightly different spiky trim to make the Venomcrawler look all asymetrical and Chaosy. You can actually see the top blade/spike sticking up in the already-seen Venomcrawler image (behind the head crest).

Spoiler:

**ListenToMeWarriors**

I love how sneaky they are with those teasers, somewhere out there somebody is working themselves into a frenzy about the upcoming release of a Dark Mechanicus Dunecrawler as a result of that picture. Exciting times for Chaos players though, and about time too.

**Tiberius501**

Latro_ wrote:
yea maybe something like this

The autocannons are different. The leg does look incredibly similar but perhaps a new daemon engine with the same style of legs/ new defiler done in the same style. Or they just posted a rumour engine of a model we've already seen which would suck.

**Danarc**

From Regimental standard"our prognosticators inform us of a large warp disruption approaching the planet – we can only assume that it is Roboute Guilliman and his fleet, here to complete our liberation of the world."

My guess:

**GaroRobe**

I assume its the Venomcrawler as well.
But when someone mentioned that on their instagram page, they responded "but we've already shown that off. It's not the kind of thing we'd sneak peek in an image like this."

**Voss**

Probably a gotcha. 'Not the venom crawler, but actually from the alternate build, the gun toting 'poisoncrawler'' or some such thing. With the big gun from the other entry.

So a technically correct but meaningless distinction.