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I really like the Servo skull, and the bolt carbine is neat too.

Is there any functional difference between a bolt carbine and a boltgun?

 Kirasu wrote:
Space marine crop tops! I'll never understand the move away from functional military armor/uniforms for newer models.

Reivers are supposed to field a 'stripped down' version of the Mark X armor. It's like how Aggressors are wearing Mark X but with more plating or Inceptors have the helm and leg boosters.

Rather than a BAJILLION different new armor Marks, they just have the Mark X but with different loadouts it seems.

Not crazy about that dude honestly, absolutely hate the skinhead and beard combo.

 Haighus wrote:
I really like the Servo skull, and the bolt carbine is neat too.

Is there any functional difference between a bolt carbine and a boltgun?

Assault vs Rapid Fire and no AP vs the Bolt Rifle's -1 AP.

 Haighus wrote:
I really like the Servo skull, and the bolt carbine is neat too.

Is there any functional difference between a bolt carbine and a boltgun?

Ruleswise, I think the Carbine and the Auto Boltrifle are the same? Same stats as the boltgun too but they're both Assault instead of Rapid Fire.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Space marine crop tops! I'll never understand the move away from functional military armor/uniforms for newer models.

Reivers are supposed to field a 'stripped down' version of the Mark X armor. It's like how Aggressors are wearing Mark X but with more plating or Inceptors have the helm and leg boosters.

Rather than a BAJILLION different new armor Marks, they just have the Mark X but with different loadouts it seems.

But it's not stripped down to do anything functional. Strap some baby booties to Gravis armor and you can deep strike with Inceptors. What exactly does Reiver armor do besides look incredibly silly? Still 3+ save. Their weapons are also just worse versions of intercessors (if you understand how the game works anyway).

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I really like the Servo skull, and the bolt carbine is neat too.

Is there any functional difference between a bolt carbine and a boltgun?

Ruleswise, I think the Carbine and the Auto Boltrifle are the same? Same stats as the boltgun too but they're both Assault instead of Rapid Fire.

Ok, gotcha. Thanks! So more mobile than a traditional bolter, but otherwise the same. I was asking because they look almost indistinguishable from a normal boltgun. I suppose the increased mobility comes from being carried by beefier Primaris Marines fluffwise?

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Space marine crop tops! I'll never understand the move away from functional military armor/uniforms for newer models.

Reivers are supposed to field a 'stripped down' version of the Mark X armor. It's like how Aggressors are wearing Mark X but with more plating or Inceptors have the helm and leg boosters.

Rather than a BAJILLION different new armor Marks, they just have the Mark X but with different loadouts it seems.

But it's not stripped down to do anything functional. Strap some baby booties to Gravis armor and you can deep strike with Inceptors. What exactly does Reiver armor do besides look incredibly silly? Still 3+ save. Their weapons are also just worse versions of intercessors (if you understand how the game works anyway).

I don't understand why they still get the 3+ save either. I think the fluff is just there to make it so that there's a reason for people to understand why the units look different.

reivers already have bolt carbines they are 24" s4 assault 2 bolters

expect a master crafter one will be -1 2dmg like a master crafted bolter

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Space marine crop tops! I'll never understand the move away from functional military armor/uniforms for newer models.

Reivers are supposed to field a 'stripped down' version of the Mark X armor. It's like how Aggressors are wearing Mark X but with more plating or Inceptors have the helm and leg boosters.

Rather than a BAJILLION different new armor Marks, they just have the Mark X but with different loadouts it seems.

But it's not stripped down to do anything functional. Strap some baby booties to Gravis armor and you can deep strike with Inceptors. What exactly does Reiver armor do besides look incredibly silly? Still 3+ save. Their weapons are also just worse versions of intercessors (if you understand how the game works anyway).

I don't understand why they still get the 3+ save either. I think the fluff is just there to make it so that there's a reason for people to understand why the units look different.

Isn't just likely to be a difference that is small enough to not be reflected on a D6? But would exist in the actual background. There is precedent for this- MkIII armour is supposed to be reinforced from the front, but has only ever conferred extra protection in the rules when used to represent hardened armour (which you don't have to use MkIII for, but could use any Mk).

GaroRobe wrote:
Something feels off about him. He just looks kinda clunky. His legs look a bit too far away from his waist, and the reiver belly armor joints don't help.

Indeed, not sure what it is, but the whole just doesn’t quite come together.

His leg position makes him look a bit fat, and also like he's wearing a nappy.

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the Reiver design or concept as it is tbh, and this model makes the thin legs vs huge chest really stand out.

This suggests we're not getting anything like Primaris Tactical Squads either, which is a bit of a shame.

I really hope that the fancy knife is a power sword (but it probably isn't.) I hate how the Primaris have better CC stats than normal marines, but they're usually wasted as they can't get any good melee weapons... or in some cases even bad melee weapons.

Interestingly enough this specific armor is called out in the article as "Phobos Armour".

Acheran is represented by a Captain in Phobos Armour, which is usable by any Space Marines Chapter along with the other Vanguard units in the set. We’ll have more details on Phobos armour along with loads of other information about Warhammer 40,000: Shadowspear over the coming days and weeks, so be sure to keep your auto-lenses or daemonically enhanced vision focused right here.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough this specific armor is called out in the article as "Phobos Armour".

Acheran is represented by a Captain in Phobos Armour, which is usable by any Space Marines Chapter along with the other Vanguard units in the set. We’ll have more details on Phobos armour along with loads of other information about Warhammer 40,000: Shadowspear over the coming days and weeks, so be sure to keep your auto-lenses or daemonically enhanced vision focused right here.

I thought that was already the description used for Reiver armour, along with Tacticus used by Intercessors, and Gravis armour?

wondered if it was the white cloak and white bg that made him look off... hmm

So a Bolt Carbine is basically a Shoota?

Good to know.

The beard looks great IMO. Cool dude, let's hope he's useful rules-wise too.

 Haighus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough this specific armor is called out in the article as "Phobos Armour".

Acheran is represented by a Captain in Phobos Armour, which is usable by any Space Marines Chapter along with the other Vanguard units in the set. We’ll have more details on Phobos armour along with loads of other information about Warhammer 40,000: Shadowspear over the coming days and weeks, so be sure to keep your auto-lenses or daemonically enhanced vision focused right here.

I thought that was already the description used for Reiver armour, along with Tacticus used by Intercessors, and Gravis armour?

Apparently not. The Space Marines book has it listed as "Mark X Reiver Armour".
Intercessors, "many officers", and Helblasters use Tacticus Armour.
Aggressors have Gravis Armour.
Can't find exactly what the Inceptor stuff is called.


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 Latro_ wrote:
wondered if it was the white cloak and white bg that made him look off... hmm

Honestly, it's the way that you're looking at it. Telion has a similar proportions issue thanks to his cape--certain angles look 'off' and you can't ever figure out exactly why.

I like him! Mostly looking forward to the troops though. I want to see the new "Vanguard Interceptors", or whatever they will be called.

think its the cloak to one side telion has a full cloak, looks better imo

It's a very busy model. The tassels on the braid are hanging the wrong way for gravity. So is the reliquary. The lower belt just seems weird. Reiver greaves always look weird to me. Silencers on bolters make no sense. Either the aerial on the pack is superfluous or the one attached to his bionic eye is.
Servo skulls never seem to work well on models because they always have to join the model in some awkward way.
I'm not sold on any of the primaris models we've seen so far in this release. But that's subjective opinion.

He's got slightly "minimarine" proportion and pose. Legs spread apart and a short abdomen.

Hopefully he can be modeled with a helmet at least, though I suppose that can be modded easily enough.

Quasistellar wrote:


Hopefully he can be modeled with a helmet at least, though I suppose that can be modded easily enough.

he has one attached to his belt, so you'd have to deal with that as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Apparently not. The Space Marines book has it listed as "Mark X Reiver Armour".

Perhaps they decided to rename it, as it would be somewhat confusing now than units other than Reivers are wearing it too?

It doesn't look like he has an Iron Halo. I wonder if that means that he's not going to have an invulnerable save.

Also, that guy and this guy are the same person.

edit: nvm already been posted

Epic! I'm really excited to add these new vanguard models to my White Scars, the theme is going to be clutch!

 Haighus wrote:
I thought that was already the description used for Reiver armour, along with Tacticus used by Intercessors, and Gravis armour?

In fact this ""interesting"" info was first shown two years ago, in Primaris reveal trailer, but shhh

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't understand why they still get the 3+ save either.

Yup, it's not like they wear power armour or anything... Oh wait

The Pauldrons.

It’s the Pauldrons. They’re much smaller, losing some of that distinctive Astartes silhouette.