Shadow Spear / New Chaos Space Marines

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**kurhanik**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mr Insomniac wrote:
*edit* GW have also just said this is a “battlebox” on Facebook. If I’m not mistaken, other battlebox releases have contained full kits alongside “limited” datasheets.
Just seems weird that the CSM squad would have that set kit if the kit inside can be built however.

I certainly hope it's a real kit.

Its entirely possible those are more narrative rules for playing the specific missions the set comes with. Much like how the newest kill team releases on Warhammer Community had specific loadouts listed for each unit, and then noted "or you can build them as you like."

**NAVARRO**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Insane Ivan wrote:
GW’s Facebook says the full box contents will be revealed today at 6pm GMT.

Nice, cant wait to get a good look at the models.

5 to go… Damn! I want the see the new shiny things!

**Tiberius501**

NAVARRO wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Insane Ivan wrote:
GW’s Facebook says the full box contents will be revealed today at 6pm GMT.

Nice, cant wait to get a good look at the models.

5 to go… Damn! I want the see the new shiny things!

I'm so damn ready to start a reimagined Crimson Slaughter army.

**H.B.M.C.**

Oh good. The endless pages of speculation/screaming can finally stop.

Fingers crossed for 3 multi-part Oblits!

**ListenToMeWarriors**

Nothing about the two Obliterators shown suggest multi part, and given the rules for flesh metal guns there is no need to be.

**H.B.M.C.**

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
... no need to be.

By that logic, most models should be stamped out in a single pose, like back in the days of 2nd Ed 40K.

Mutli-part will make them interesting, rather than always being the same models in the same pose in every army.

**JSG**

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Nothing about the two Obliterators shown suggest multi part, and given the rules for flesh metal guns there is no need to be.

Jesus Christ.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh good. The endless pages of speculation/screaming can finally stop.

Fingers crossed for 3 multi-part Oblits!

I’d take two monopost and a three man multipart box.

Kinda like the Aberrants are now. But like, with full loadout.

**ListenToMeWarriors**

JSG wrote:
ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Nothing about the two Obliterators shown suggest multi part, and given the rules for flesh metal guns there is no need to be.

Jesus Christ.

I am not Jesus though I have the same initials.

**puree**

Could really do with premade prepainted models, monopose pre colored plastic is a half way step. Hopefully one day we will be all the way

**ListenToMeWarriors**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
... no need to be.
By that logic, most models should be stamped out in a single pose, like back in the days of 2nd Ed 40K.

Mutli-part will make them interesting, rather than always being the same models in the same pose in every army.

Do not get me wrong H.B.M.C I long for them to be multi part, but the models shown thus far just do not look it to me. Either way the new ones are a massive improvement, IMO, on the old Obliterators. And we are both aware how recent GW kits have seen options minimised or all out removed post Chapterhouse. But as an earlier post of yours said in a few hours we can probably put any such arguments to bed.

**Nevelon**

Crimson_ wrote:
I'd say more like Las-Talons, where you need the Grav-Chutes to migitate the shorter range.

That would make them crazy expensive for such fragile models.

Although looking at the leak, only the sarge needs to give up his shooting to pop smoke, but the unit benefits. Still, I hate having expensive models sitting aruond when you pay for the guns. Will help with surviability though if needed.

**the_scotsman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mr Insomniac wrote:
*edit* GW have also just said this is a “battlebox” on Facebook. If I’m not mistaken, other battlebox releases have contained full kits alongside “limited” datasheets.
Just seems weird that the CSM squad would have that set kit if the kit inside can be built however.

I certainly hope it's a real kit.

Fwiw as I said earlier wake the dead contained fixed load out datasheets, for example only wraith blades rules but it was the full kit.

**Crimson**

the_scotsman wrote:

Fwiw as I said earlier wake the dead contained fixed load out datasheets, for example only wraith blades rules but it was the full kit.

Which is just weird, but OK. Did their datasheets still have <craftworld> though, instead of Saim Hann?

**casvalremdeikun**

the_scotsman wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mr Insomniac wrote:
*edit* GW have also just said this is a “battlebox” on Facebook. If I’m not mistaken, other battlebox releases have contained full kits alongside “limited” datasheets.
Just seems weird that the CSM squad would have that set kit if the kit inside can be built however.

I certainly hope it's a real kit.

Fwiw as I said earlier wake the dead contained fixed load out datasheets, for example only wraith blades rules but it was the full kit.

I was going to ask on that one. I couldn't remember on the Ad Mech/Necron one, but I seem to remember it only had Rangers and not Vanguards.

**Mr Insomniac**

I think Forgebane only had a datasheet for skitarii rangers also, despite the full kit being included. So there’s certainly precedent.

**WhiteDog**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
If the Suppressor's do have an alternate gun, then I think the odds are good that it will be something more than a variation on the autocannon. The other two Primaris three man squads(Inceptors and Aggressors) both have two different weapon types. It seems to be the five/ten man squads that stick with variations on a theme.

That said its interesting that there is no speculation about a 2nd weapon loadout for the Eliminators. A mono build infantry squad would be a first for the Primaris range outside of the easy build kits.

Until now, most primaris units had options in terms of the type of gun they use : heavy, assault, pistol or rapid fire. Considering the autocanon they have in the box is heavy, I'm thinking their alternative load out will be something like a S6 rapid fire auto canon or a str 5 assault auto canon. At least, that's how most primaris units have been thought until now.

**Haighus**

kurhanik wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mr Insomniac wrote:
*edit* GW have also just said this is a “battlebox” on Facebook. If I’m not mistaken, other battlebox releases have contained full kits alongside “limited” datasheets.
Just seems weird that the CSM squad would have that set kit if the kit inside can be built however.

I certainly hope it's a real kit.

Its entirely possible those are more narrative rules for playing the specific missions the set comes with. Much like how the newest kill team releases on Warhammer Community had specific loadouts listed for each unit, and then noted "or you can build them as you like."

Have they stopped naming the "unique" squads in the boxsets? The 7th ed ones had names for the unit. I'm surprised the CSM datasheet doesn't have a name like "Gak's Reavers" or something.

**MonkeyBallistic**

Insane Ivan wrote:
GW’s Facebook says the full box contents will be revealed today at 6pm GMT.

That’s a nice surprise. I’d convinced myself that it would be revealed when the Vigilus countdown ended in 2 days time. Maybe that’s when they’ll reveal the new Abaddon?

**WhiteDog**

I completly messed up and posted twice the same comment, sry.

**Kanluwen**

Mr Insomniac wrote:
I think Forgebane only had a datasheet for skitarii rangers also, despite the full kit being included. So there’s certainly precedent.

This is correct.

It also only had the Lychguard and Immortals despite being dual kits as well.

**H.B.M.C.**

I kinda want it to be a big missile rig, like the old Devastator concept art from 4th Ed that I'm sure eventually led to the Centurion suits and even the Aggressors.

**Crimson**

From the Bolter & Chainsword:

**H.B.M.C.**

Oh wow they're on flying bases.

Now I really can't unsee them flying around like they're trying to use a firehose unaided.

**WhiteDog**

Only two oblits.

**casvalremdeikun**

It confirms there are 10, not 5 Infiltrators. Awesome! More bits for converting Reivers into Infiltrators.

**Saturmorn Carvilli**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh wow they're on flying bases.

Now I really can't unsee them flying around like they're trying to use a firehose unaided.

You are super not wrong. Especially the two on the right. Slapstick Hilarious.

**alphaecho**

If (big if) I buy this box, I'm sure someone would want the flying autocannon chappies.

Not quite my bag!

**Qcbob**

Too bad the Suppressor did'nt come with the Inceptor back pack...

**ListenToMeWarriors**

Looks like the Infiltrators are the same 4 twice, with two individual Marines to make up the 10.