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Can anyone identify this power pack? It doesn't look familiar to me

10 times better TBH

Spoiler tags on the comparison image pls.

Is mucking abant on tablets and my text is all wee!

I think its likely he'll have updated rules in the new book, esp since hes on the front cover of it.

Not sure what those will be but i'd make a educated guess he's now gonna be a LoW choice

Hear me out... Abaddon has a red blood angel helmet in his trophy rack. Old art or not, they chose to show art with blood angels fighting the black legion.

Then on Abaddons base is a gold wing, one that closely resembles Sanguinors. Could this be foreshadowing not only blood angels coming to Vigilus at its apex? But rather new models and maybe even the death of the old characters for blood angels?

I know who the Sanguinor actually is... but there’s something here I think.

Edit: on closer inspection clearly not sanguinor shaped. But the other points remain. Also next to the LT that’s pretty clearly a second blood ange helmet in the mud.

I have already a small DG battalion detachment semi-painted and I really wonder should I finish it now. Then make CSM army with these new guys to run with it and these would match quite well.

Good thing I got time so I can finish my GSC piling up (wallet still gurts).

 Pyronick wrote:
Hear me out... Abaddon has a red blood angel helmet in his trophy rack. Old art or not, they chose to show art with blood angels fighting the black legion.

Then on Abaddons base is a gold wing, one that closely resembles Sanguinors. Could this be foreshadowing not only blood angels coming to Vigilus at its apex? But rather new models and maybe even the death of the old characters for blood angels?

I know who the Sanguinor actually is... but there’s something here I think.

Edit: on closer inspection clearly not sanguinor shaped. But the other points remain. Also next to the LT that’s pretty clearly a second blood ange helmet in the mud.

Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

 Pyronick wrote:
Hear me out... Abaddon has a red blood angel helmet in his trophy rack. Old art or not, they chose to show art with blood angels fighting the black legion.

Then on Abaddons base is a gold wing, one that closely resembles Sanguinors. Could this be foreshadowing not only blood angels coming to Vigilus at its apex? But rather new models and maybe even the death of the old characters for blood angels?

I know who the Sanguinor actually is... but there’s something here I think.

Edit: on closer inspection clearly not sanguinor shaped. But the other points remain. Also next to the LT that’s pretty clearly a second blood ange helmet in the mud.

Not current sanguinor shaped, but primaris sanguinor shaped is possible.

Any information on the chaos psycic powers?

gilljoy wrote:


Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

We know UM are on Vigilus, but the art shows BA there now, too. And as things go these days the art does not lie.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gilljoy wrote:


Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

We know UM are on Vigilus, but the art shows BA there now, too. And as things go these days the art does not lie.

Expect that art work is from current CSM codex, It may not mean anything.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gilljoy wrote:


Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

We know UM are on Vigilus, but the art shows BA there now, too. And as things go these days the art does not lie.

That art is from the CSM codex.

gilljoy wrote:

 Pyronick wrote:
Hear me out... Abaddon has a red blood angel helmet in his trophy rack. Old art or not, they chose to show art with blood angels fighting the black legion.

Then on Abaddons base is a gold wing, one that closely resembles Sanguinors. Could this be foreshadowing not only blood angels coming to Vigilus at its apex? But rather new models and maybe even the death of the old characters for blood angels?

I know who the Sanguinor actually is... but there’s something here I think.

Edit: on closer inspection clearly not sanguinor shaped. But the other points remain. Also next to the LT that’s pretty clearly a second blood ange helmet in the mud.

Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

Having a close look, it looks like possibly a metal aquila. It is possibly connected to the flame also on the base. It may have been part of a banner held by the SM veteran ultramarine who is on the base.

 ceorron wrote:

Spoiler:

 Albertorius wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
did anyone notice the new apostle?
PD: new scale comparison

Wow. Abaddon looks so, so much better than Guilliman, it's not even funny.

Also funny that it's more subdued, too. Didn't see that coming.

10 times better TBH

I don't know where you see that ""better"", Abby still suffers from the same issue as all oldmarines (namely, the torso the lenght of his forearm). G has actual, human proportions, in both torso and limbs, with correctly sized head to height ratio (1:7) while Abbaddoo has comical, child sized 1:5. At least his terminator armor FINALLY doesn't have arms coming out of ears but to not break the iconic terminator silhouette they needed to put pauldrons above his arms which looks even more silly. Methinks someone stared at old, garbage 'heroic' anatomy so long actual humans look weird now

As for details, model is nice, but something bugged me about Talon. After looking at FW version, I realized what - sculptor converted it from side-loaded to top-loader... Without thinking for a second the most natural pose of human arm is fingers down, not up. If Armless tries to rotate arm to slash downwards the ammo belts are going to hopelessly tangle with his arm cables and fingers. Compared to Talon, G's Hand actually has feed naturally supporting his arm in proper shooting pose, instead of only looking good with comical posturing, and the ammo supply not only allows him to shoot for longer than 2 seconds but is actually armored to not have any random mook detonate his bullets with frakking laspistol, unlike Talon

New Doobie is quite nice. Also technically another Primaris Lieutenant release.

The Chaos Space Marine with the new hat? Not so much. It's a cool looking model, to be sure, but what's a Chaos Marine doing with a modern mini-gun?

I'm also now convinced that we're getting new Chaos Termies.

 Irbis wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
I really really like them, but then I have kind of a thing for space marines with Autocannons.

Oddly specific fetish since no loyalty marine in 40k has wielded an autocannon!

*cough*

Spoiler:

You know he meant Power Armour Marine. Stop being so intentionally obtuse.

Something like this maybe.




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 Irbis wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

Spoiler:

 Albertorius wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
did anyone notice the new apostle?
PD: new scale comparison

Wow. Abaddon looks so, so much better than Guilliman, it's not even funny.

Also funny that it's more subdued, too. Didn't see that coming.

10 times better TBH

I don't know where you see that ""better"", Abby still suffers from the same issue as all oldmarines (namely, the torso the lenght of his forearm). G has actual, human proportions, in both torso and limbs, with correctly sized head to height ratio (1:7) while Abbaddoo has comical, child sized 1:5. At least his terminator armor FINALLY doesn't have arms coming out of ears but to not break the iconic terminator silhouette they needed to put pauldrons above his arms which looks even more silly. Methinks someone stared at old, garbage 'heroic' anatomy so long actual humans look weird now

As for details, model is nice, but something bugged me about Talon. After looking at FW version, I realized what - sculptor converted it from side-loaded to top-loader... Without thinking for a second the most natural pose of human arm is fingers down, not up. If Armless tries to rotate arm to slash downwards the ammo belts are going to hopelessly tangle with his arm cables and fingers. Compared to Talon, G's Hand actually has feed naturally supporting his arm in proper shooting pose, instead of only looking good with comical posturing, and the ammo supply not only allows him to shoot for longer than 2 seconds but is actually armored to not have any random mook detonate his bullets with frakking laspistol, unlike Talon

As for human proportions, they are both just wearing armour so I don't exactly expect perfect human proportions. Really Abaddon is following the terminator style which is why he looks really small in his armour but that is the look they go for with that if you notice.

I have to admit the top loading ammo is a bit of a mistake by the artist for Abaddon that I didn't notice at first. Yeah pretty funny mistake.

TBH I just go for which looks cooler.

Seeing them side-by-side confirms my suspicion that they were modeled as a diorama of sorts and mirrors of each other. Pretty cool. The bent eagle wing is basically foreshadowing what'll happen to Big Smurf

It's also quite shocking to see how much better Abaddon is as a model, better proportions, better pose, better use of ornamentation, better detail placement, even the paintjob is better!

I love it. I had zero hype for Abaddon, but he completely knocked my socks off. Favourite model in quite some time. I'm pondering what the last model was that felt so...cohesive. The Slaughterpriest with axe, maybe.

gilljoy wrote:


Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

If you closely on the far back there appears to be a guard helmet too. It simply could be a collage of all the forces fighting at Vigilus on his base?

 Pyronick wrote:

gilljoy wrote:


Given he's standing on an ultramarine lieutenant, it's likely a veteran ultramarine helmet rather than a blood angel one.

If you closely on the far back there appears to be a guard helmet too. It simply could be a collage of all the forces fighting at Vigilus on his base?

This helmet will make a fine addition to my collection.

Also abbadon is the 40k equivalent of obelix confirmed!

Is the eye inside of the Chaos star a Black Legion symbol or a more generic Chaos symbol? I thought it was more specific to the Black Legion (I assumed a holdover from the eye of Horus) but someone else said it was just a common CSM symbol.

(I figure it's fair to ask here instead of in Background as the question has to do with the new models.)

That Abaddon model is amazing. Everything I have been waiting years for. I know it is going to be too expensive. I just hope GW doesn't gouge us too much.

I agree that I kinda miss the old Chaos Terminator trophy racks he used to have, especially how much the new one really changes the silhouette of the new model. However, just about everything else is done so well. I am sure in time I will become accustomed to it.

It is a tough call on the cape. I think I am probably go with cape on since many of my Black Legion HQs also have their capes. But ultimately, it depends on how much like the details that the cape will hide.

This makes me feel a little better as the more rumors of the price of Shadowspear come out the less interest I find myself having in the box set. There just wasn't enough of what I wanted (especially for easy to build models and a few duplicates) for the price that keeps popping up. I keep looking at several more kill teams I want to build/finish that would see far more game time for the price of Shadowspear rumors. And those models will see far more game time from me.

Anyone have a guess to how much GW is likely to sell the new Chaos Space Marine kit for if/when it finally gets a separate release? I am thinking it could easily be $60 US and as much as $75. That seems like a lot to me but not outside the realm of what GW would charge.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
That Abaddon model is amazing. Everything I have been waiting years for. I know it is going to be too expensive. I just hope GW doesn't gouge us too much.

I agree that I kinda miss the old Chaos Terminator trophy racks he used to have, especially how much the new one really changes the silhouette of the new model. However, just about everything else is done so well. I am sure in time I will become accustomed to it.

It is a tough call on the cape. I think I am probably go with cape on since many of my Black Legion HQs also have their capes. But ultimately, it depends on how much like the details that the cape will hide.

This makes me feel a little better as the more rumors of the price of Shadowspear come out the less interest I find myself having in the box set. There just wasn't enough of what I wanted (especially for easy to build models and a few duplicates) for the price that keeps popping up. I keep looking at several more kill teams I want to build/finish that would see far more game time for the price of Shadowspear rumors. And those models will see far more game time from me.

Anyone have a guess to how much GW is likely to sell the new Chaos Space Marine kit for if/when it finally gets a separate release? I am thinking it could easily be $60 US and as much as $75. That seems like a lot to me but not outside the realm of what GW would charge.

I don't know usd prices but I'd imagine £30 or the equivalent for 10

Dudeface wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
That Abaddon model is amazing. Everything I have been waiting years for. I know it is going to be too expensive. I just hope GW doesn't gouge us too much.

I agree that I kinda miss the old Chaos Terminator trophy racks he used to have, especially how much the new one really changes the silhouette of the new model. However, just about everything else is done so well. I am sure in time I will become accustomed to it.

It is a tough call on the cape. I think I am probably go with cape on since many of my Black Legion HQs also have their capes. But ultimately, it depends on how much like the details that the cape will hide.

This makes me feel a little better as the more rumors of the price of Shadowspear come out the less interest I find myself having in the box set. There just wasn't enough of what I wanted (especially for easy to build models and a few duplicates) for the price that keeps popping up. I keep looking at several more kill teams I want to build/finish that would see far more game time for the price of Shadowspear rumors. And those models will see far more game time from me.

Anyone have a guess to how much GW is likely to sell the new Chaos Space Marine kit for if/when it finally gets a separate release? I am thinking it could easily be $60 US and as much as $75. That seems like a lot to me but not outside the realm of what GW would charge.

I don't know usd prices but I'd imagine £30 or the equivalent for 10

Intercessors and Reivers are £35, I doubt these will be cheaper.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 defwolf wrote:
Why does Abaddon need tracer rounds? Doesn't his machine spirit keep track of his ammo? Lol

1. Who says they’re tracer rounds? The marking designations of a military that’s millennia dead and superseded several times over?
2. What do tracers have to do with “keeping track of ammo” exactly?
3. His armour’s machine spirit spends most of its time growling at Drach’nyen these days. The sword growls right back. Abbadon thinks this is both hilarious and adorable.

I was just joking but when I was in the service 100 years ago in the age of the M60 you could count your tracers as a way of estimating your ammo left. we used to run a 4 to 1 tracer ratio so you know every tracer is 5 rounds.

That was my understanding of it too.

But from watching teevee rather than personal experience.

I feel like it's a miracle that Abaddon doesn't get tangled up in all the bits and bobs hanging from him. Just wait till the wind blows in a different direction and his top-knot is going to get caught in his trophy rack. Swing his arm the wrong way and his bolt rounds will get caught in his power armor pipe and his skull-on-chain will wrap around his foot.

 Mymearan wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
That Abaddon model is amazing. Everything I have been waiting years for. I know it is going to be too expensive. I just hope GW doesn't gouge us too much.

I agree that I kinda miss the old Chaos Terminator trophy racks he used to have, especially how much the new one really changes the silhouette of the new model. However, just about everything else is done so well. I am sure in time I will become accustomed to it.

It is a tough call on the cape. I think I am probably go with cape on since many of my Black Legion HQs also have their capes. But ultimately, it depends on how much like the details that the cape will hide.

This makes me feel a little better as the more rumors of the price of Shadowspear come out the less interest I find myself having in the box set. There just wasn't enough of what I wanted (especially for easy to build models and a few duplicates) for the price that keeps popping up. I keep looking at several more kill teams I want to build/finish that would see far more game time for the price of Shadowspear rumors. And those models will see far more game time from me.

Anyone have a guess to how much GW is likely to sell the new Chaos Space Marine kit for if/when it finally gets a separate release? I am thinking it could easily be $60 US and as much as $75. That seems like a lot to me but not outside the realm of what GW would charge.

I don't know usd prices but I'd imagine £30 or the equivalent for 10

Intercessors and Reivers are £35, I doubt these will be cheaper.

Does the black legion have some magic number that is less than 10?

Yeah I’m guessing they will be £35’s.

Abaddon £37.50?

 Irbis wrote:

I don't know where you see that ""better"", Abby still suffers from the same issue as all oldmarines (namely, the torso the lenght of his forearm). G has actual, human proportions, in both torso and limbs, with correctly sized head to height ratio (1:7) while Abbaddoo has comical, child sized 1:5.

The thing is, in a model range where everyone else is heroicly scaled, a model that has 'normal' proportions looks out of scale.

That's the big problem with Robert. It's not the model is bad. It's that it looks like a 54mm scale sculpt of a regular (possibly slightly skinny, once you remove the armour) human, rather than a 28mm scale sculpt of a hulking giant.


Abaddon, by contrast, looks suitably beefy. He's still bigger than I would prefer, but at least he looks like he fits into the same model range as his followers.

Well that didn't take long.