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found this on reddit.

Funnily enough Abaddon stills look better than the supressor

If only Doobie was hovering awkwardly in the air!!!

These malefic powers are amazing. I decided to start my podcast / YouTube channel a week early just to talk about how good the malefic powers are and all the combos I'm seeing:

https://youtu.be/aCFezn1c8iA

Any word on warlord traits? Or did I miss that?

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Abaddon is spectacular. Over the moon. Can't wait to see the new kits that will follow in his wake.

If "an army's worth of new models to show" is genuine and not just a puff piece in that article, it definitely looks like a full reboot of the line.

I've had a Black Legion project on my mind for quite a few years now but never got around to it because the models were just too old. Seems like I can finally start it

Looks like the baseline csm are getting updates with Abby. Terminators, multipart CSM, Havocs, Dark Apostle, probably a multipart tick tank. Maybe a few more characters too? Seems comparable to the Death Guard or Thousand Sons release, minus a Primarch model.

do you still need to pay reinforcement points for possession, or would the fact you need to kill a model make it null?

macluvin wrote:
Any word on warlord traits? Or did I miss that?

Nope, they haven't come out yet. I'd expect them to be "leaked" by GW over the next few days


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Abaddon is spectacular. Over the moon. Can't wait to see the new kits that will follow in his wake.

If "an army's worth of new models to show" is genuine and not just a puff piece in that article, it definitely looks like a full reboot of the line.

I've had a Black Legion project on my mind for quite a few years now but never got around to it because the models were just too old. Seems like I can finally start it

Looks like the baseline csm are getting updates with Abby. Terminators, multipart CSM, Havocs, Dark Apostle, probably a multipart tick tank. Maybe a few more characters too? Seems comparable to the Death Guard or Thousand Sons release, minus a Primarch model.

Definitely seems that way. I'd say Abbadon is the "Primarch" equivalent for this faction.

Blah Blah blah

Malefic Discipline

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Blah Blah blah

Malefic Discipline

under possession "Add a greater possessed model", so new character type confirmed. Of note this is only if your slay a space marine, otherwise the character you killed is replaced with a chaos spawn.

Thats really cool actually. Makes space marines significantly worse then.

 Lockark wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
Blah Blah blah

Malefic Discipline

under possession "Add a greater possessed model", so new character type confirmed. Of note this is only if your slay a space marine, otherwise the character you killed is replaced with a chaos spawn.

Yes, already revealed. Shadowspear comes with two of them

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Abaddon is spectacular. Over the moon. Can't wait to see the new kits that will follow in his wake.

If "an army's worth of new models to show" is genuine and not just a puff piece in that article, it definitely looks like a full reboot of the line.

I've had a Black Legion project on my mind for quite a few years now but never got around to it because the models were just too old. Seems like I can finally start it

Looks like the baseline csm are getting updates with Abby. Terminators, multipart CSM, Havocs, Dark Apostle, probably a multipart tick tank. Maybe a few more characters too? Seems comparable to the Death Guard or Thousand Sons release, minus a Primarch model.

Abaddon basicly IS a primarch model.

Zoomed in above the apostle and that sorcerer or MOP is wearing a hood instead of the horned helm.

Well, gonna be interesting if Death Guard will manage to get access to Cursed Earth.

Not looking forward to a 3++ Morty amid a bunch of 4++ PBCs, Drones, etc..

Speculation:

The only reason that the Malefic Discipline is <Legion> locked is so that Mortarion and Magnus will get no benefit from it, after it's revealed that Death Guard and Thousand Sons cannot take Masters of Possession.

After all, the Obscuration Discipline isn't <Chapter> locked...

 MinMax wrote:
Speculation:

The only reason that the Malefic Discipline is <Legion> locked is so that Mortarion and Magnus will get no benefit from it, after it's revealed that Death Guard and Thousand Sons cannot take Masters of Possession.

After all, the Obscuration Discipline isn't <Chapter> locked...

Maybe. But I doubt it. I think they just try to delineate clearly from the Daemons Codex, being wary of the CSM-Daemon-Codex rules-overlaps. While some cross-overs still exist, they've clearly been burned with deepstriking Primarchs, etc..

 MinMax wrote:
Speculation:

The only reason that the Malefic Discipline is <Legion> locked is so that Mortarion and Magnus will get no benefit from it, after it's revealed that Death Guard and Thousand Sons cannot take Masters of Possession.

After all, the Obscuration Discipline isn't <Chapter> locked...

I agree with you, DG and TS likely won't be able to take neither one of the <Legion> locked powers. I believe to gain access to those powers, you need a detachment from the CSM codex, which doesn't include neither DG nor TS as an available legion.
This means, the power will be locked to one of the legion in the CSM codex.

The only question is: if you use a stratagem to change a power and choose Mortarion to take one of those, would it gain <Legion> = DeathGuard, or would it remain with the original keyword?

Hope you get what I mean..

 McGibs wrote:
I kinda hope they don't. They both already have their set of special characters, let the plane-jane CSM have something unique for once.

The Thousand Sons just have different flavors of sorcerer.

DamonRafael wrote:

 MinMax wrote:
Speculation:

The only reason that the Malefic Discipline is <Legion> locked is so that Mortarion and Magnus will get no benefit from it, after it's revealed that Death Guard and Thousand Sons cannot take Masters of Possession.

After all, the Obscuration Discipline isn't <Chapter> locked...

I agree with you, DG and TS likely won't be able to take neither one of the <Legion> locked powers. I believe to gain access to those powers, you need a detachment from the CSM codex, which doesn't include neither DG nor TS as an available legion.
This means, the power will be locked to one of the legion in the CSM codex.

The only question is: if you use a stratagem to change a power and choose Mortarion to take one of those, would it gain <Legion> = DeathGuard, or would it remain with the original keyword?

Hope you get what I mean..

You won't be able to, because the Strategems call out exactly which tables you can take the new power from and Malefic isn't on the list (for obvious reasons). If they decide DG and TS shouldn't have access, they don't need to change anything. If they do want to give Mortarion access, they'll need to errata stuff at which point the question is moot.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 McGibs wrote:
I kinda hope they don't. They both already have their set of special characters, let the plane-jane CSM have something unique for once.

The Thousand Sons just have different flavors of sorcerer.

I would like to order a strawberry

Roffle i now can feed my warpsmith to a daemon engine, even though the warpsmith himself can fix the daemon engine......

meaning you can heal it twice now :p

Getting a guaranteed 3 Wounds back has to worth shanking a Warpsmith, surely?

Unless Warpsmiths are generally pretty pants, and this is not in fact reason enough to field one?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Getting a guaranteed 3 Wounds back has to worth shanking a Warpsmith, surely?

Unless Warpsmiths are generally pretty pants, and this is not in fact reason enough to field one?

problems with that, A a warpsmith still is 55pts has a repair ability and a damage ability, he is versatile, the engine that you heal, not so much.

B: daemonengines are not really good enough in an allready more meh then good codex. Mostly due to bs 4 + degrading and bad pricing.

C: daemonengines also can self heal+ warpsmith, if you really want to keep it alive i will concede the point but still feels like a too high price.
Also only daemons engines not hellbrutes, etc.

I found daemon engines in 8th are great. Defilers especially.

I regularly take Maulers, Forges and Defilers definitely.

After the point drop in CA 2018 + now this? Stellar.

Making a "Daemonkin/engine" themed list will be very cool and will be very decent on the table. (May not top ITC charts but you sure as heck won't steamroll over it)

Ahriman21 wrote:
I found daemon engines in 8th are great. Defilers especially.

I regularly take Maulers, Forges and Defilers definitely.

After the point drop in CA 2018 + now this? Stellar.

Making a "Daemonkin/engine" themed list will be very cool and will be very decent on the table. (May not top ITC charts but you sure as heck won't steamroll over it)

Granted a castle list with lot of sacrifices may work if you get enough reroll auras.

Don't forget the Kytan Ravager, which at 410 points is almost too cheap since CA2018, and fully benefits from all the new Daemon and Daemon engine buffs and psychic powers.

Voss wrote:
My question is when a bullet whip became his primary weapon.
Seems impractical.

Put those puppies in a pair of magazines.

rule of cool i guess.
plus you can imagine abby has countless buzzing daemon servo cherub drone weirdos around him all the time attending to his ammo needs.


Those maleific powers, when some of the combos sink in two of these guys are gonna be auto-include in most CSM armies.

Do we have confirmed retailer prices yet?

Whack Weaver of fates and cursed earth on a unit of tzeentch obilts or warp talons 3++ inv woo