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 warboss wrote:

Semper wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 warboss wrote:
How are Abaddon's stats in the current edition of 40k? Is there any indication or rumor that they'll change with the new model? I'd doubt it as he doesn't seem to be undergoing a big fluff change unlike Marneus SuperPrimarisizeMe Calgar but I figured I'd ask.

A 240pts Chapter master in terminator armour with a ton of attacks, basically. From what I can tell he's pretty beefy, but I've not played with or versus him yet

Aye. He's pretty beefy (lots of mid hitting attacks, fairly durable with termie armour, 4++ and halves damage) and a decent commander too (adds command points, buffs moral and provides re-rolls). I'd say he could use some tweaking with the type of his damage output (some form of mortal wound dealing from his daemon sword ideally) and maybe a different WL trait but doesn't need any major changes.

Thanks. My prior experience with him is a few codex versions out of date but he was definitely an underestimated beatstick back in 3rd through 5th.

In the past he had problems due to not having Eternal Warrior. He's pretty solid now. The biggest issue is how to deploy and use him (other than cultist swarms) and the fact that his legion trait and warlord trait are lackluster.

How new is that Bloodletter/Khorne Berserker art? You can see one of the older possessed in it, which doesn't bode well for us getting an upgraded kit.

GaroRobe wrote:
How new is that Bloodletter/Khorne Berserker art? You can see one of the older possessed in it, which doesn't bode well for us getting an upgraded kit.

It's from Codex: Khorne Daemonkin.

So reading the article I think new bezerkers are a pipe dream, sure they will eventually but it's a lot more likely we are just getting the AOS khorne units, basically cultists in 40k, tzaangors equivalents and that is a bad thing to me, aesthetically they do not fit into 40k, hopefully I'm wrong and it's just khorne deamons though.

 Formosa wrote:
So reading the article I think new bezerkers are a pipe dream, sure they will eventually but it's a lot more likely we are just getting the AOS khorne units, basically cultists in 40k, tzaangors equivalents and that is a bad thing to me, aesthetically they do not fit into 40k, hopefully I'm wrong and it's just khorne deamons though.

more likely it will be new demon models we get rules for.

Warhammer Community wrote:Loads of the new Khorne releases will be usable in your Warhammer 40,000 Chaos army, with Vigilus Ablaze providing new rules for Skulltaker and the Bloodmaster, as well as the Skull Altar. Combined with the Daemonkin from Shadowspear, you’ll be able to make some seriously brutal armies.

The new stuff is usable, not all of "Blades of Khorne" stuff. Skulltaker is getting new rules, the Bloodmaster is a new unit and the Skull Altar is a new item as well.

But hey. Let's just assume that they're going to put Bloodreavers and the like in, cause they did that with the Maggotkin items too right? Tzeentch got their stuff put in...but nobody else has.

Tzeentch didn't even get all their stuff put in. There are no Kairic Acolytes in 40K last time I checked.

But putting Beastmen in 40K, or just Khorngors or whatever they're called, I don't see that as a problem.

Anyway, this is the AoS Khorne release, not a 40K one. Just as there's cross over with certain units doesn't mean that all units will cross over or what this is all 40K is getting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tzeentch didn't even get all their stuff put in. There are no Kairic Acolytes in 40K last time I checked.

But putting Beastmen in 40K, or just Khorngors or whatever they're called, I don't see that as a problem.

Anyway, this is the AoS Khorne release, not a 40K one. Just as there's cross over with certain units doesn't mean that all units will cross over or what this is all 40K is getting.

Yes, let's get even more reasons not to run Chaos Space Marines in a Chaos Space Marines army! And then when they do the big Slaanesh release, they can do the same thing only with Boobgors and whatnot.

 Phobosftw wrote:
The difference is in the eyes - the miniatures are friggin smiling with their eyes gais, wtf?!

Just because you're a daemonic killing machine, and avatar of the Blood God, doesn't mean you can't enjoy your work

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yes, let's get even more reasons not to run Chaos Space Marines in a Chaos Space Marines army! And then when they do the big Slaanesh release, they can do the same thing only with Boobgors and whatnot.

I want all the Chaos forces to have more "Lost & The Damned" choices, rather than just CSMs.

I hope we get some great Khorne and Slaanesh "mortal" units (be they Beastmen or Cultist analogues). I'm not saying they should straight up add Skullcrushers or Hellstriders to the Khorne or Slaanesh lists, but it would be nice to have something else in there.

I'd rather they have a separate book all together for Renegades/Lost and Damned and give them the GSC treatment, they plug into CSM armies if you want and can also take select units from AM.

Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'd rather they have a separate book all together for Renegades/Lost and Damned and give them the GSC treatment, they plug into CSM armies if you want and can also take select units from AM.

Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

That is what I would prefer as well. It would open up Chaos for a degree of Soup that Loyalists have, which isn't the worst thing. I would love for there to be things like Dark Mechanicus (lots of Daemon Engines), Renegades, and Lost and Damned that exist outside or just being options for CSM to take for cheap CP.

I hope the “leak” of plastic new traitor guard coming in the second wave of chaos goodies had truth to it. The BSF guard models are sooooooo nice and scale perfectly with the new CSM. A couple of them also look like they’re women so that bodes well for people that want lady guard, assuming GW ever gets around to updating them.

 zend wrote:
I hope the “leak” of plastic new traitor guard coming in the second wave of chaos goodies had truth to it. The BSF guard models are sooooooo nice and scale perfectly with the new CSM. A couple of them also look like they’re women so that bodes well for people that want lady guard, assuming GW ever gets around to updating them.

I hope so. I'd love to add a (dis)loyal 32 to my DG

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

What about Renegade Chapters?

 zend wrote:
I hope the “leak” of plastic new traitor guard coming in the second wave of chaos goodies had truth to it. The BSF guard models are sooooooo nice and scale perfectly with the new CSM. A couple of them also look like they’re women so that bodes well for people that want lady guard, assuming GW ever gets around to updating them.

Where was this leak?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

What about Renegade Chapters? \

Fair to say they are Heretic Astartes, so put them in the Heretic Astartes book

I'm not surprised that they're bouncing from Shadowspear to Blades of Khorne. It gives people that got Shadowspear a bit of breathing room before the next Chaos Marine releases go up.

Will be interesting to see if there's any Chaos stuff at GAMA revealed tomorrow.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tzeentch didn't even get all their stuff put in. There are no Kairic Acolytes in 40K last time I checked.

Sad but true, they did not include the Thaumaturg or Gaunt Summoners in neither K-sons or Daemon codex.
There is a drawn picture of a Kairic acolyte in Codex: Thousand Sons though, by the fluff about cultists.

I was really looking forward to including Gaunt summoners in 40k lists, but I guess they are to closely related to Archaon

Not Online!!! wrote:
just wish there would've been a full Set of either bolter or chainsword marines instead of that misch masch.

Yeah, fully agree. But I guess we'll be able to mix and balance the squads once the CSM squad box comes out. Until then we'll have to deal with the awkwardness

Bah! The wait is killing me. Hope we see some models at GAMA.

nekooni wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
just wish there would've been a full Set of either bolter or chainsword marines instead of that misch masch.

Yeah, fully agree. But I guess we'll be able to mix and balance the squads once the CSM squad box comes out. Until then we'll have to deal with the awkwardness

Tbf i wait for the box Set and havoc Set and maybee dabble in kitbashing for a MoP and greater Possessed.

 Fayric wrote:
I was really looking forward to including Gaunt summoners in 40k lists, but I guess they are to closely related to Archaon

Gaunt Summoners in 40K would be loads of fun.

Just noticed something. Does anyone else think the librarian looks a bit like Kylo Ren in that shot from the Force Awakens trailer? He's just missing the cross guard on his force sword.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tzeentch didn't even get all their stuff put in. There are no Kairic Acolytes in 40K last time I checked.

But putting Beastmen in 40K, or just Khorngors or whatever they're called, I don't see that as a problem.

Anyway, this is the AoS Khorne release, not a 40K one. Just as there's cross over with certain units doesn't mean that all units will cross over or what this is all 40K is getting.

Well, there are a couple of instances where kairics are shown as chaos cultists in the tsons codex but that's it.

We also got an official conversion guide from duncan shortly after the codex that amounted to "it takes the chainsword and autopistol from the tzaangor sprue or else it gets the hose again"

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

What about Renegade Chapters? \

Fair to say they are Heretic Astartes, so put them in the Heretic Astartes book

Um, no. If there is SM faction that needs a book (and could be pretty unique) it's the renegade SM. Something along the lines of Badab War renegades, or 30K Blackshields. Marines who don't follow chaos (at least not openly, yes) but also don't give a damn about past loyalist limitations. Unique weapons, be it salvaged from other imperial or xeno forces, chimeric armour marks and non-standard officers, xeno and pirate allies, the works. Both Tyrant Legion and Blackshield lists (despite only a handful of unique units) shown far more character and customization than wolfwolf totally-not-tactical-squad or dangles totally-not-terminators and I'd gladly trade both of these books for something less of a cookie-cutter different-paint-codex.

Alas, GW for some reason took huge dump on big HH plot hook that could have served as perfect justification for this so it ain't gonna happen

They Have gaunt summoners in 40k, they just put them in the ‘Nids Codex instead.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

What about Renegade Chapters? \

Fair to say they are Heretic Astartes, so put them in the Heretic Astartes book

I disagree. Renegade Chapters need to be handled in the vanilla codex via replacing of keywords. It would be a single page.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

What about Renegade Chapters? \

Fair to say they are Heretic Astartes, so put them in the Heretic Astartes book

I disagree. Renegade Chapters need to be handled in the vanilla codex via replacing of keywords. It would be a single page.

Would a renegade chapter that recently fell due to possession or mutations suddenly deserve to lose their possessed rules?

Hello! Question: do we know if in the shadowspear box, the SM miniatures have a helmet option or are they just as monopose as they seem?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Keep the Heretic Astartes as Legion focused.

What about Renegade Chapters? \

Fair to say they are Heretic Astartes, so put them in the Heretic Astartes book

I disagree. Renegade Chapters need to be handled in the vanilla codex via replacing of keywords. It would be a single page.

Yeah, because that won't cause issues.

As it stands? Renegades don't really have a "best fit" option. Ideally they should get their own Codex or be in the generic CSM book with a note that they can take a select few items from the Space Marines book.