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Honestly all of those character rules just became less relevant with Eliminators showing up.

Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

You mean almost like the artist had used a picture of the model as a reference?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

What does this mean?

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

What does this mean?

Probably being annoyed with GW for their obsession to depict models as deliberately as possible, leaving no free space to the artists to interpret what they want to paint/draw. Just compare the artwork from 2000s and early 2010s to the current one and you'll see. This has been voiced many times, both on dakka and the rest of the internet.

Edit: Let's not go down the "John Blanche" route for the argument, there have been many quality artists that painted masterpieces for GW while still having freedom of modifying the entities the art is supposed to represent (Adrian Smith, Paul Dainton and Karl Kopinski come to mind, to name just a few). It was grimdark, it was original, and it was good. The latest art has improved a lot since the early AoS crap and 40k books like the Warzone: Fenris books, but it still has the models simply ported identically to the artwork.

 Dreamchild wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

What does this mean?

Probably being annoyed with GW for their obsession to depict models as deliberately as possible, leaving no free space to the artists to interpret what they want to paint/draw. Just compare the artwork from 2000s and early 2010s to the current one and you'll see. This has been voiced many times, both on dakka and the rest of the internet.

Edit: Let's not go down the "John Blanche" route for the argument, there have been many quality artists that painted masterpieces for GW while still having freedom of modifying the entities the art is supposed to represent (Adrian Smith, Paul Dainton and Karl Kopinski come to mind, to name just a few). It was grimdark, it was original, and it was good. The latest art has improved a lot since the early AoS crap and 40k books like the Warzone: Fenris books, but it still has the models simply ported identically to the artwork.

I would say this is the post 9/11 (Chapterhouse) world fans of this game will have to live in. I hate the TSA, but there ain't a thing one I can do about it.

The new model is pretty awesome.

I'm not super huge on the rider, although he's fine.

The mouth on that daemon engine is absolutely terrifying. Kudos GW for making an actually scary looking Daemon for once.

Also, please for the love of god show me the new terminator models. It's been a month now...

 Togusa wrote:

I guess just everyone on this forum likes to which and moan about everything, all the time. This awesome new model is no different, I guess. Lots of doom and gloom before we've even seen its full rules, points and had a chance to play it on the table. Smh.

Yes, 'everyone' likes to moan... aside from the multiple pages of people in this very thread saying how much they like this model.

A couple of people voicing concerns about potential rules does not 'everyone moaning' make.

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

What does this mean?

It's a reference to GW's current policy of matching up artwork, models and rules to cut down on the potential for other companies to make models fitting into GW's games. The side effect is that the artwork winds up being considerably less interesting when it only depicts stuff that exactly matches the current model range...

As long as there's an alternate head for the rider, the mini is pretty much perfect.

Do we think it's another Baleflamer in its mouth (or one of the mouth options, I should say). It has the igniter, but it's not 100% clear to me if it's a Baleflamer or another type of disgusting spray weapon.

This model + Abaddon confirms I made the right choice in buying shadowspear. Black legion is going to look so good on the table!

Gg

I actually really like the mekkadoggo. Plus my World Eaters need something to lead my daemon engines because I can't use MoP. Stupid psykers.

 generalgrog wrote:
This model + Abaddon confirms I made the right choice in buying shadowspear. Black legion is going to look so good on the table!

Gg

[Looks at my own Black Legion army.] "What do you mean 'going to look' good on the table?

Nah, just kidding. I am certainly glad a some models are getting updates along with new stuff. I like this new demon engine but probably won't pick one up anytime soon. Games Workshop has been introducing too many things I want in the last few weeks for me (Abaddon and Terminators in Kill Team mostly). I haven't completely finished painting the demon engines I do have let alone a sizeable backlog of terrain and Kill Team factions. And the ebay app coupon made Shadowspear just cheap enough for me to pick it up.

This model is absolutely fantastic, in my opinion. It's the model that's making me consider a chaos army, where up till now I really hadn't been.

Rules still matter of course. Starting a new army would be a huge commitment, but they look so good!

Chikout wrote:
Chaos just got a little more bonkers!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/chaos-space-marines-focus-the-lord-discordant/

Oh my Architect, I NEED IT! ...and probably more Maulerfiends to join him.

 insaniak wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

I guess just everyone on this forum likes to which and moan about everything, all the time. This awesome new model is no different, I guess. Lots of doom and gloom before we've even seen its full rules, points and had a chance to play it on the table. Smh.

Yes, 'everyone' likes to moan... aside from the multiple pages of people in this very thread saying how much they like this model.

A couple of people voicing concerns about potential rules does not 'everyone moaning' make.

 Togusa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just realised that both pieces of artwork for this new guy match the mini pretty much exactly. Same pose, position of arms/tendrils/weapons.

*sigh*

What does this mean?

It's a reference to GW's current policy of matching up artwork, models and rules to cut down on the potential for other companies to make models fitting into GW's games. The side effect is that the artwork winds up being considerably less interesting when it only depicts stuff that exactly matches the current model range...

There has been a LOT of upsetness lately though it seems. You cannot deny that. People have been making snap judgements about these models and fear mongering since the deamon engine started dropping previews a month ago.

With that said, however I will let it be so as not to Hijack the thread.

On the topic of the art and models, as I said, that is just the reality after the Chapterhouse debacle. I don't think it will change that much, but I fail to see how any of this stops people from converting models. I'm still seeing a lot of the new stuff from the last year or two pop up with some incredible conversions on different modeling groups.

The art depicts the models because the art is made to sell the models. Everything a business does ultimately is about making money. As we get into this modern age, it gets harder and harder for a company to create erroneous artwork that has less purpose.

Yeah blame Chapterhouse, yeah blame whatever you want.

It's SUCH a small issue, and it makes people that are creative kitbashers/modelers all the more special when they come up with something great using their own skills and imagination.

You, too, can alter this beast in any way you like, given enough time and gumption. I bet we'll see people swapping the head of the beast out for more Khorne or Tzeentch looking beasts right away, or swapping the rider out with one from the range of Slaves to Darkness models to make it look more unique to their own range. Heck, take the main body of the creature, take off the arms, stick it on an Onager walker base, and have it look like a Ravager from World of Warcraft.

It doesn't stop people from converting, it's just disappointing that the artwork has become so much more generic. The bonkers art was always a big part of the appeal of 40K, and so much conversion inspiration over the years has come from that art. When the art just mimics the models, even down to the posing, that source of inspiration goes away.

GW hires some amazing artists, and it's a shame to not let them cut loose...


Still, GW are undeniably hitting it out of the park with the model releases. Looking forward to seeing what else they have up their sleeves for Chaos.


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drbored wrote:

You, too, can alter this beast in any way you like, given enough time and gumption. I bet we'll see people swapping the head of the beast out for more Khorne or Tzeentch looking beasts right away, or swapping the rider out with one from the range of Slaves to Darkness models to make it look more unique to their own range. Heck, take the main body of the creature, take off the arms, stick it on an Onager walker base, and have it look like a Ravager from World of Warcraft.

Swapping out the legs for Heldrake wings would be pretty cool... Mecha-Ringwraith!

Or leave the legs but add the wings anyway. Mecha... Dragon Fly?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do we think it's another Baleflamer in its mouth (or one of the mouth options, I should say). It has the igniter, but it's not 100% clear to me if it's a Baleflamer or another type of disgusting spray weapon.

My interpretation is that the listings for the Baleflamer and Autocannon are just the mounted weapon options for the Lord Discordant, and not the wargear of the Helstalker itself

Awesome model. I can't wait to see the other kits revealed in full.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do we think it's another Baleflamer in its mouth (or one of the mouth options, I should say). It has the igniter, but it's not 100% clear to me if it's a Baleflamer or another type of disgusting spray weapon.

Looks like a magma cutter (same as on the Maulerfiend).

Only problem with this new model is it makes the maulerfiend look bad..

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

Wolf and Sister?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

Oh goodie, another Magus dies to being stupid.

Why the hell are all the Magi on Vigilus chronically stupid and show themselves to the hulking power armored super warriors in these stories?

Bloody hell.

 Carnikang wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

Oh goodie, another Magus dies to being stupid.

Why the hell are all the Magi on Vigilus chronically stupid and show themselves to the hulking power armored super warriors in these stories?

Bloody hell.

The quality of the genepool probably dried up on Vigilus.

 Carnikang wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

Oh goodie, another Magus dies to being stupid.

Why the hell are all the Magi on Vigilus chronically stupid and show themselves to the hulking power armored super warriors in these stories?

Bloody hell.

He should have used 2 CP to get the genestealers closer.

Occasionally the GW fluff runs up against the reality of what would happen to unarmoured civilians trying to take on highly trained troops equipped with power armour and automatic cannons. There’d obviously be no way to travel down a corridor guarded by someone with a flamethrower, plus a bunch of other people with assault rifles. There’s no way to send the bodies up the corridor faster than the enemy can send bullets down it. This story actually reflects that quite well I think.

It’s unfortunate that hordes of these models actually do quite well in the game, because in the real world the tactics you see infantry using in 40k went out of fashion around 1914. But then I suppose it’s not meant as a simulation!

 Carnikang wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

Oh goodie, another Magus dies to being stupid.

Why the hell are all the Magi on Vigilus chronically stupid and show themselves to the hulking power armored super warriors in these stories?

Bloody hell.

In the first place, if sisters of battle got charged in the close confines of a tunnel by genestealers, what are the odds they even survive? Just one or two genestealers making it into would have made short work of them...

Eldenfirefly wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/tales-from-vigilus-14-beneath-the-surface/

Some wandering SoB and a Lone Space Wolf cruely abuse innocent people just defending their homes

Oh goodie, another Magus dies to being stupid.

Why the hell are all the Magi on Vigilus chronically stupid and show themselves to the hulking power armored super warriors in these stories?

Bloody hell.

In the first place, if sisters of battle got charged in the close confines of a tunnel by genestealers, what are the odds they even survive? Just one or two genestealers making it into would have made short work of them...

Being serious, it depends on how well the Sisters work together to overwhelm the genestealer. Genestealers are horrifically dangerous and the Sisters are near guaranteed to take casualties, but power armour still provides decent protection against genestealer claws and the usual tactics of attacking an outnumbered foe with as many attackers as possible still has merit. So long as the Sisters don't patiently wait to attack the genestealer one at a time like Hollywood mooks and keep their composure, they should be able to overwhelm a single genestealer Of course, during this they are no longer shooting down the corridor... I reckon there is a high chance they still get slaughtered by one too, bit of a lottery.