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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My cynicism kicks into overdrive here.

The elaborate and loving description of the box's possibilities (all of which are possible with the current box and have always been so since it changed from 8 to 10 miniatures) just looks like a smokescreen to me, like they know we don't like the far less modular and limited way recent kits have been made, so they're talking up the fact that the car has a steering wheel and an engine like they're somehow new...

The current kit only comes with a Heavy Bolter.

At least this one will finally come with a Missle Launcher and Autocannon that are in the rules but haven't had a model outside of the woefully out of date Havoc Squad.

So hey, at least that's something.

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My cynicism kicks into overdrive here.

The elaborate and loving description of the box's possibilities (all of which are possible with the current box and have always been so since it changed from 8 to 10 miniatures) just looks like a smokescreen to me, like they know we don't like the far less modular and limited way recent kits have been made, so they're talking up the fact that the car has a steering wheel and an engine like they're somehow new...

The current kit only comes with a Heavy Bolter.

At least this one will finally come with a Missle Launcher and Autocannon that are in the rules but haven't had a model outside of the woefully out of date Havoc Squad.

So hey, at least that's something.

yeah, let's try to sgtay positive here, I mean... over all it's looking like a pretty nice kit

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Yay Crimson Slaughter rules! Hopefully they buff possessed as that was always part of their thing.

In 7th they had Fear, which is basically the Night Lords trait for all intents and purposes. Then there was Possessed as Troops (which amazingly they got before Word Bearers did!)

However, their relic section was pretty tasty to an extent. I don't imagine they'll get a lot of those back.

As I said, I'm still worried about how The Purge are going to be handled. They were always represented via Death Guard as they were originated from there as far as I remember.

Their possessed also had a superior mutation table and yes sadly all their relics will be gone except one.

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah, let's try to sgtay positive here, I mean... over all it's looking like a pretty nice kit

The kit's gorgeous - no arguments there - I just feel they're talking up things we could already do to deflect away from the fact that this will be another very static kit, like all Marine releases of late.

And there may not be an Autocannon in the kit. That could be in the Havoc kit along with the Rotor Cannon.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah, let's try to sgtay positive here, I mean... over all it's looking like a pretty nice kit

The kit's gorgeous - no arguments there - I just feel they're talking up things we could already do to deflect away from the fact that this will be another very static kit, like all Marine releases of late.

And there may not be an Autocannon in the kit. That could be in the Havoc kit along with the Rotor Cannon.

we've seen pics of the autocanon with the previws so safe bet it's in the kit, GW hasn't exactly been prone to showing off conversions in ages

BrianDavion wrote:
we've seen pics of the autocanon with the previws so safe bet it's in the kit, GW hasn't exactly been prone to showing off conversions in ages

Previews of what? We've seen an Autocannon in a video. We've seen an Autocannon in a rumour engine pic. We've seen an autocannon on the push-fit Shadespire minis. There's no Autocannon in this recent Chaos Space Marine squad preview, and no implication that that the Autocannon we have seen that isn't the push-fit one is somehow a conversion.

It is every bit as logical to assume that the CSM kit has a ML and HB and that the AC comes in a Havoc kit. It sure would be great if the CSM kit had more heavy weapons, but I don't see what's wrong with presuming there's an AC in the Havoc kit.

We don't see any power swords either.

I'm guessing that the Purge, Brazen Host, and other renegade chapters are being included specifically because death guard and thousand sons are mostly pulled out of the CSM book, to give God specific forces in the CSM book, and let the 4 legions be more specialized in their own books.

Do we expect new CSM decals to replace the ancient ones, or just a set of Black Legion ones?

How’s about not having a week of one guy repeatedly saying “there might not be!” and we wait for sprues pics, that will be along when (or before) the preorder goes up?

For all we know the description might mean there are heavy weapons, CC weapons and bolters all in one box, making multiple units. We have no idea. Just hang fire a few days, instead of bickering over unknowns.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
How’s about not having a week of one guy repeatedly saying “there might not be!” and we wait for sprues pics, that will be along when (or before) the preorder goes up?

For all we know the description might mean there are heavy weapons, CC weapons and bolters all in one box, making multiple units. We have no idea. Just hang fire a few days, instead of bickering over unknowns.

If the box made multiple units, they’d have mentioned it in the ‘preorder next weekend’ article and shown examples of the other units.

I know that’s very much not in line with your message and I agree with the spirit of it, but this kit is only for Chaos Space Marines. What weapons are included, we won’t know until next weekend (although the autocannon they showed that wasn’t in Shadowspear was painted, but isn’t one of the examples here, so my moneys on Havocs for that).

 ImAGeek wrote:
If the box made multiple units, they’d have mentioned it in the ‘preorder next weekend’ article and shown examples of the other units.

Well technically the said it does make two units... ...just like the old box.

ThatMG wrote:
I find it hilariously funny they gave us the rules for chaos shadow spear units for FREE but forgot the whole points costs so like there unplayable outside of Power Level games so...what no one plays so...

You can do PL x 20 thu that generally is incorrect and can over or under point units sometimes.

And once again people propagate the incorrect myth nobody plays them so...I love it how people always keep spreading lies.

Is there any chance of new cultists?

Wouldn't that be something...

Well they are one of the kits currently listed as "No longer available" on the (UK) web shop. The others being Havocs, Abaddon, the Chaos Lord and the Terminator Chaos Lord.

nagash42 wrote:
Yay Crimson Slaughter rules! Hopefully they buff possessed as that was always part of their thing.

Yeah I'm really chuffed about this too. Hoping the relic is Kranon's sword, and I assume the strat will buff possessed.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well they are one of the kits currently listed as "No longer available" on the (UK) web shop. The others being Havocs, Abaddon, the Chaos Lord and the Terminator Chaos Lord.

TBH, I'd be happy with them releasing the Dark Vengeance (or whatever it was called) Cultists in a proper box with all 20 of them in there. If the choice is between the existing Cultists getting reboxed and just no Cultists, Chaos players should take the first option.

Yeah, agreed. You can also get hold of any/all of the Necromunda gang sprues and go wild... the Cawdor one being the most agreeable to chaosifying, probably, but they don't need much, tbh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well they are one of the kits currently listed as "No longer available" on the (UK) web shop. The others being Havocs, Abaddon, the Chaos Lord and the Terminator Chaos Lord.

TBH, I'd be happy with them releasing the Dark Vengeance (or whatever it was called) Cultists in a proper box with all 20 of them in there. If the choice is between the existing Cultists getting reboxed and just no Cultists, Chaos players should take the first option.

Well a multipart kit for cultists would be nicer but at this stage a propper box of either full Autogun / melee pistol would be direly needed.

Damn I'm sold on this Abaddon model. He is too awesome to pass, even if I don't have an heretic astartes army.

I am a bit amazed that FW haven't snuck out sets of 10 limbs for the Necromunda gangs that turn them into wielding entirely either lasguns or autoguns/melee pistols. It would be free money.

Or they could again start to produce R&H upgrade sprues, oh wait they went out of OOP because to expensive for cultists.

....

Sarcasm aside i don't think there is the big money for them. Also upgrade sprues tend to become extremely expensive what with the base unit and the sprue cost money.

 The Phazer wrote:
I am a bit amazed that FW haven't snuck out sets of 10 limbs for the Necromunda gangs that turn them into wielding entirely either lasguns or autoguns/melee pistols. It would be free money.

Giving every gang 15 Hand Flamers was deemed far more important.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I am a bit amazed that FW haven't snuck out sets of 10 limbs for the Necromunda gangs that turn them into wielding entirely either lasguns or autoguns/melee pistols. It would be free money.

Giving every gang 15 Hand Flamers was deemed far more important.

The Specialist Games Team are clearly undercover Redemptionists.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well they are one of the kits currently listed as "No longer available" on the (UK) web shop. The others being Havocs, Abaddon, the Chaos Lord and the Terminator Chaos Lord.

I'll be sad if we lose the old terminator lord kit for a monopose kit with like 2 options. the old kit was legit great

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well they are one of the kits currently listed as "No longer available" on the (UK) web shop. The others being Havocs, Abaddon, the Chaos Lord and the Terminator Chaos Lord.

I'll be sad if we lose the old terminator lord kit for a monopose kit with like 2 options. the old kit was legit great

Agree. I really hope that if they are bringing new Terminator Lord it has actual weapon options.

Although it is possible that new regular terminators and termie lord are compatible.

Sotahullu wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well they are one of the kits currently listed as "No longer available" on the (UK) web shop. The others being Havocs, Abaddon, the Chaos Lord and the Terminator Chaos Lord.

I'll be sad if we lose the old terminator lord kit for a monopose kit with like 2 options. the old kit was legit great

Agree. I really hope that if they are bringing new Terminator Lord it has actual weapon options.

Although it is possible that new regular terminators and termie lord are compatible.

tempted to hedge my bets and snag a CSM start collecting box just to get a last termy lord. my hope though is this is just a repackaging.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The Specialist Games Team are clearly undercover Redemptionists.

If only. We might get the Outlander gangs a little faster then.

I suppose if Crimson Slaughter get some great Possessed perks again, I can just use their trait/stratagem etc and pretend that the crappy Word Bearers rules we're currently stuck with don't exist.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I suppose if Crimson Slaughter get some great Possessed perks again, I can just use their trait/stratagem etc and pretend that the crappy Word Bearers rules we're currently stuck with don't exist.

Hold on, if Daemonengines become better and the new little lord on his mecha spider is cheap enough you might want to have access to the WB warlord trait.
Maybee.

(Who am i kidding that thing would need to be so cheap to bring them up to level )

that gate actually looks fairly large!

did a quick mockup the marine in the pic has a skull and tried to make him the same size using the skull on the gate as a guide

but a tactical lynchpin for the Heretic Astartes, giving nearby units an invulnerable save and making it easier for Chaos Psykers to cast their fell magics…

be interesting to see what sort of inv save this dishes out and to who, i'm guesses at the least infantry within 3-6" getting at least a 5/6++