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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
The only weapon people actually want is the one you only get 1 of in the box fantastic :/

That's called marketing genius.

Edit: I wasn't sarcastically calling you a genius, I was saying it was Marketing Genius (one concept).

I'm not so sure about that. If it had two of the guns, I could see many people buying two boxes so they could have the four gatling squad they wanted. I don't think that terribly many people are willing to buy four boxes for that though.
In any case, as annoying as the situation might be, I suspect that the sprues were designed way before the rules were written, and there isn't any nefarious plan behind this.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
The only weapon people actually want is the one you only get 1 of in the box fantastic :/

That's called marketing genius.

Edit: I wasn't sarcastically calling you a genius, I was saying it was Marketing Genius (one concept).

I noticed FW's Rotor Cannons sold on on the NA websites today in response to the news xD

The Reaper Chaingun looks great but we have plenty of Heavy Bolter level dakka in a number of places... what it does isn’t exactly something I feel I’ve needed more. Maybe it’ll act to consolidate that fire power to free up other choices elsewhere... but to me itt’s something of a distraction from the sort of heavy weapons we’ve typically had to put on our Havocs to compensate in other ways. Don’t get me wrong its clearly more worthwhile than a number of options, but after I have everything else chosen for my army I’m usually looking for range and anti-tank...

The thing I hate is that you can't buy four boxes of Havocs and build some of the extras as regular CSM. They don't have the backpacks to do it. Nor are there boltguns(from what I can tell) to build Havocs with boltguns, despite the fact the kit allows for it.

It’s frustrating, but realistically all you need to do is buy a pack of rotor cannons from forgeworld or wherever cut the barrels off and glue them to the end of the heavy bolters and you now have 3 chaincannons per squad.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing I hate is that you can't buy four boxes of Havocs and build some of the extras as regular CSM. They don't have the backpacks to do it. Nor are there boltguns(from what I can tell) to build Havocs with boltguns, despite the fact the kit allows for it.

It's because the unit entry no longer has Havocs with Boltguns. No need to include an option that doesn't exist.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The Reaper Chaingun looks great but we have plenty of Heavy Bolter level dakka in a number of places... what it does isn’t exactly something I feel I’ve needed more. Maybe it’ll act to consolidate that fire power to free up other choices elsewhere... but to me itt’s something of a distraction from the sort of heavy weapons we’ve typically had to put on our Havocs to compensate in other ways. Don’t get me wrong its clearly more worthwhile than a number of options, but after I have everything else chosen for my army I’m usually looking for range and anti-tank...

The weapon can also be taken on Basic CSM and Choosen. With 8 shots it would still be viable to shoot the gun on the move even at the -1 penalty compared to the standard heavy bolter.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing I hate is that you can't buy four boxes of Havocs and build some of the extras as regular CSM. They don't have the backpacks to do it. Nor are there boltguns(from what I can tell) to build Havocs with boltguns, despite the fact the kit allows for it.

It's because the unit entry no longer has Havocs with Boltguns. No need to include an option that doesn't exist.

Not technically. I doubt they built the datasheet *require* four heavy or special weapons. You just can't build a squad with more than five Marines.

I don't understand why people is so eager about the Chaincannon. I mean, its a minigun, its amazing, I love it, but is not like it won't end up nerfed or changed if its become problematic. Or just by random balance changes.

Don't we know better to not fall into that trap?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing I hate is that you can't buy four boxes of Havocs and build some of the extras as regular CSM. They don't have the backpacks to do it. Nor are there boltguns(from what I can tell) to build Havocs with boltguns, despite the fact the kit allows for it.

It's because the unit entry no longer has Havocs with Boltguns. No need to include an option that doesn't exist.

Not technically. I doubt they built the datasheet *require* four heavy or special weapons. You just can't build a squad with more than five Marines.

Nope. Havocs with boltguns no longer exist. It's fething stupid imo, but I suppose it'll just make me spread my heavy weapons out into CSM squads now instead of havocs for those extra wounds I enjoy having.

To be honest, I haven't bought a box of Chaos Space Marines since the 90's.

I've always thought they were a bit absurd-looking, especially as someone who plays Alpha Legion. I need a bit less spikes, skulls, tentacles, etc. I always stuck with the Mark 4's when I started playing them a few years ago for a while.

However, I can appreciate the Baroque style of these new models, and the Havocs look super-badass.

I think I'll be making a new Kill-Team soon. Especially if I can cram a damned MINIGUN into the squad. HYDRA DOMINATUS!

Since Chaos Lords can take Thunder Hammers now and we can include Obsilliest Mollusk from Blackstone Fortress, albeit as a generic Chaos Lord... what are the odds of those Traitor Guardsmen appearing in the new Codex? Or are we gonna be stuck running them as cultists?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing I hate is that you can't buy four boxes of Havocs and build some of the extras as regular CSM. They don't have the backpacks to do it. Nor are there boltguns(from what I can tell) to build Havocs with boltguns, despite the fact the kit allows for it.

It's because the unit entry no longer has Havocs with Boltguns. No need to include an option that doesn't exist.

I really hate when GW screws around with a unit in such a way. Though a look in my crystal ball tells me that in 9th Havocs will get their meat shields back.

 Galas wrote:
I don't understand why people is so eager about the Chaincannon. I mean, its a minigun, its amazing, I love it, but is not like it won't end up nerfed or changed if its become problematic. Or just by random balance changes.

Don't we know better to not fall into that trap?

Sush, man! What are you trying to do? Cut into our Forge World revenue?

- Revin Kountree

Not going for the Havoc chain gun guys, but I think I will put 2 of them in a 10 man chaos marine sqd. My havocs will remain as AT duty (IW, so yeah, that's what they do)

Surprised not to see the Lord Discordant on pre-order so we still have a few more weeks of chaos releases.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing I hate is that you can't buy four boxes of Havocs and build some of the extras as regular CSM. They don't have the backpacks to do it. Nor are there boltguns(from what I can tell) to build Havocs with boltguns, despite the fact the kit allows for it.

Just means that you can build cooler looking heavy weapons guys for the regular CSM boxes and get more from your Bolter guys that way, IMO.

Really disappointed in GWs decision to remake indominus terminators vs cataphractii. While the old kit didn’t particularly age well, notably when compared to current SM terms, it had some nice features like the tentacle arm. I had long ago compensated for the lack of options by getting bits from ebay or FW. How cool would a chaos cataphractii kit have been? They could have kept both. The new chain fist and ventilator head look derpy compared to the old ones. All that said it’s always nice to get new kits with full load outs. Hopefully there will be alternative head options. Or maybe chaos warrior heads will fit.

Anyone know if the new Terminators will be upscaled as other releases?

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
Really disappointed in GWs decision to remake indominus terminators vs cataphractii. While the old kit didn’t particularly age well, notably when compared to current SM terms, it had some nice features like the tentacle arm. I had long ago compensated for the lack of options by getting bits from ebay or FW. How cool would a chaos cataphractii kit have been? They could have kept both. The new chain fist and ventilator head look derpy compared to the old ones. All that said it’s always nice to get new kits with full load outs. Hopefully there will be alternative head options. Or maybe chaos warrior heads will fit.

Indominus is the classic an better looking design. NIce to see that they got a worthy update.

 bullyboy wrote:
have to say a pretty BS move to have 2 of each weapon except chaingun. Smells a little too much of old GW marketing. I will definitely be converting mine, and since I have all the ACs and HBs I need, won't even need to buy the kit. Sorry GW, but this time your marketing ploy backfired for me.

I agree. That´s the good old middle finger GW uses to satisfy their fanbase. Luckily for me I still have CSM from the 90s boardgame Space Crusade which included three miniguns. I will have to see if the spare minigun from the SM Landspeeder can be converted for infantry use to complement the squad.

 skonis wrote:
Anyone know if the new Terminators will be upscaled as other releases?

Considering that the other releases aren't upscaled (CSM are the same size as the Chaos Chosen in the Dark Vengeance box), I am going with no.

 Galas wrote:
I don't understand why people is so eager about the Chaincannon. I mean, its a minigun, its amazing, I love it, but is not like it won't end up nerfed or changed if its become problematic. Or just by random balance changes.

Don't we know better to not fall into that trap?

Slaanesh havocs with VOTLW have 62 shots while wounding GEQ on 2+ and MEQ on 3+ and everything else on 4+ so they appear to be really good gameplay wise, also chainguns are really cool.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
The only weapon people actually want is the one you only get 1 of in the box fantastic :/

That's called marketing genius.

Edit: I wasn't sarcastically calling you a genius, I was saying it was Marketing Genius (one concept).

Lol I thought you where being incredibly rude before I saw the edit haha it is cool.

If they had been rude, there would have been a comma there, genius!

Sorry.

 Galas wrote:
I don't understand why people is so eager about the Chaincannon. I mean, its a minigun, its amazing, I love it, but is not like it won't end up nerfed or changed if its become problematic. Or just by random balance changes.

Don't we know better to not fall into that trap?

Oh sweet summer child...

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
Really disappointed in GWs decision to remake indominus terminators vs cataphractii. While the old kit didn’t particularly age well, notably when compared to current SM terms, it had some nice features like the tentacle arm. I had long ago compensated for the lack of options by getting bits from ebay or FW. How cool would a chaos cataphractii kit have been? They could have kept both. The new chain fist and ventilator head look derpy compared to the old ones. All that said it’s always nice to get new kits with full load outs. Hopefully there will be alternative head options. Or maybe chaos warrior heads will fit.

Tartaros was already used up by TS, Cataphractii by DG. They did Indomitus because not only Sons of Horus had tons of the stuff, but to not reapeat visual themes with the other two chaos releases. And while I liked old kit better too, I can see why they went with refresh - 4 inch move on army that likes melee would have been a non-starter...

I pre ordered Abby from triple helix. 9 quid off retail price. I don't know how they manage that but I'm not complaining.

tbh, I think havocs are way more valuable with lascannons than with reaper chaincannons. The ability to scare Knights is where it's at, and the fact that there's 2 lascannons in a box is great. It means I can get 2 boxes, have enough for 1 lascannon squad, 1 missile launcher squad, and an autocannon squad is great. Then I can throw the 2 reaper chaincannons onto the chaos marines that are more likely to be closer anyway.

Thank goodness some of those weapons are doubled up. Now I can't wait to see the terminator sprue and see all the stuff that's on that. I'm sure it'll be 1 of each combi weapon and the rest stormbolters.

I've already ordered three additional chainguns to slot onto my MkIII Chaos bodies. Slot them into squads or actually make a Havoc squad (something I haven't bothered with yet). You can find chainguns from 3rd party retailers very easily...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 warboss wrote:
People whined when FW introduced a special character (iirc a dark angel chaplain in IA3 Taros?) and people whined there was nothing special about him (or a model iirc).

Don't introduce “special characters”. Introduce characters.
“Hey it's this guy, he is a space marine captain, he has this personality and have this adventure. Since he is a space marine captain you can use the space marine captain to represent him, or better, use the space marine rules to represent the cool character that you got the idea from through immersion on the settings via all those characters (that can be represented with the standard ruleset) we introduced earlier”

I remember when playing special characters required asking specific permission from the opponent.

Yep. always liked this much better than having every army led by some special characters

None of the special characters were broken. If anything, most of them were underpowered.
Rules being fine > Your need for no special characters

You are missing the point dude. Entirely missing the point. It's about the spirit of the game, not rules being too strong.

I'd generally prefer to play with my own characters, rather than someone else's, which is basically what you're doing when using specials.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/ALHT3NASK/chaos-rip-cannon-wpacks?optionId=69325537

These are an option. These guys make pretty good stuff.