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 Manchu wrote:
It would be if the only options were “magic” or “interface.” But this is merely a false dichotomy. The fictional tech in question does not demonstrably (that is, in setting) require any interface.

Demonstrably how? That an interface was not previously mentioned is not evidence for its inexistence.

And even if it did, we are a far cry from requiring surgically impanted interfaces or even demonstrating that would be better than the body glove theory.

But AFAIK no SoB codex mentions such a bodyglove either. So by your logic mentioning such now would be an abominable retcon and a step towards turning Sisters into Inquisitors.

Furthermore, a bodyglove might be a fine method for occasional users* such as Inquisitors and rich nobles who only rarely go into combat and do not wear their armour often. But for Sisters whose main purpose is to be power armour wearing elite combat troops, it is probably more pragmatic just craft the connection on, considering that the tech required is commonplace.

* (Though in the book it was probably just an excuse for getting to describe a lady Inquisitor wearing a sexy catsuit. Inquisitors are commonly depicted with all sorts of cables coming out of their heads and having various bionic doodahs, so most probably would just get PA plugs too if they wanted to wear such an armour.)


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 kestral wrote:
I wonder if they will give them sandals. That would solve the boot/shoe issue, while looking "penitent".

That would have been better. The shoes are definitely my least favourite part of these models.

 Manchu wrote:
It would be if the only options were “magic” or “interface.”

I vote magic!!!

Honestly though, interface ports for power armour are not the problem with the Repentia minis.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

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Oooohhh that's nice!! I like this version!

 Handsomer_Dan wrote:
[Also, for religious icons, I see the fleur de lis, and the inquisition logo, and I think that's about it?

HERETIC!!!
It's not the Inquisition logo, you heretic! It's the Imperium logo! Sisters had it already in 1998 when they were unrelated to the Inquisition.



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Also someone mentioned the not-Repentia from Raging Heroes and I just want to say that someone apparently thought this was a good pose!


"Oh my god they managed to go behind me unnoticed in the middle of battle just so I could take some T&A pose” lol

I'm not certain you know what T&A actually is 'cause it ain't that.

Wait is that B&B I was thinking of? Apparently it is!
https://eschergirls.tumblr.com/tagged/boobs_and_butt_pose

Surgically implanted interfaces are not practically superior to a suit one can take off for the same reason that armor grafted into one’s tissues is not practically superior to removeable armor. When the armor (or whatever wargear) takes damage, it can be removed and repaired and the warrior who wears it is not necessarily out of action. The implants are an additional liability. SM tolerate this disadvantage because Oamong other reasons) the trade off is a superhuman connection to their armor. Being unable to attain this same level of advantage, the cost/benefit analysis doesn’t work out for normal humans like Sororitas. Or at least that is a logical argument. It can only be defeated by specific conceits, such as arbitrarily saying that, in this setting, surgical implants are simply cheaper and/or more widely available than an interface suit (which cannot be assumed or even inferred from existing information; the reverse could as easily be true). Again, this all assumes some interface is even necessary, for which there is no in-setting evidence up til this retcon, perhaps.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
interface ports for power armour are not the problem with the Repentia minis

I don’t have any issues with the new Repentia, just considering them as figures. I’m disappointed by the apparent fluff retcon; to wit, the implication that Sisters require surgical modification just to use their armor.

 Manchu wrote:
I’m disappointed by fluff retcon; to wit, the implication that Sisters require surgical modification just to use their armor.

Ah, right. I understand. I see where you're coming from. It kind of implies that anyone wearing power armour now needs a bevy of interface ports to make it work, which has never really been a thing (with the clear exception of Space Marines and their specific armour type).

I still vote magic, though.

And magnets. Maybe they're magnets.

Aww, you fellers are all just fighting 'cause you like fighting. I quite like these models, they're nice and dynamic without being silly (Glares at typhus and the Death Guard line), retain an awful lot of the original design queues, whilst doing away with the overblown and frankly unnerving sexualisation thing the metals had going on. While I don't like the tennis shoes, there's nothing in that description that says "THIS IS 100% HOW THEY WILL LOOK NO CHANGES", and I'm hoping they might have changed it up on launch, and are just throwing curveballs at us bc GW likes to play smoke and mirrors.
As for the ports - I think they're a nice, refreshing throwback to grimdarkness, a bit of fanservice to us nerds who like everything bleak and miserable in an age of technological innovation and vat-grown space marines.

For real, one of the things that makes me really love classic marines is the augmentation-to-the-extent-of-mutiliation, and it's cool that other humans who are willing to/forced to wear power armor are subjected to a similar thing. Never totally made sense to me why it would not be the case, as the making of a space marine is so rigorous, but an inquisitor is kind of just a guy with a lot of influence who could chuck on a suit if he fancied?
Primarysue marines sort of take away from the horrors of becoming a power-armor wearer, and I don't like it. I imagine they get the black carapace stuff, but again, if they're grown in tanks with special heresy-era, non corrupted geneseed, what's the point? We're probably only a few years away from GW saying that MKX (god I hate that name) armor wasn't armor at all. It was restraints because they're so perfect and powerful.

Like admech and GSC, these new sisters models is a refreshing breath of horrid awfulness in an increasingly hopeful and innovative imperium, and I for one could not be gladder to see it.

 kestral wrote:
I wonder if they will give them sandals. That would solve the boot/shoe issue, while looking "penitent".

I like the foot wraps as a compromise (but not when they are purity seal wraps, which seem heretical).

 Crimson wrote:
Demonstrably how? That an interface was not previously mentioned is not evidence for its inexistence.

The main evidence for its non-existence is simply that prior to the new repentia they have been absent from all official and secondary media - table models, illustrations, video game models, etc. From the earliest pictures of sisters out of their armour including the cover of the witch hunters codex.

The basis for sisters armour not using interface plugs until now is not simply that they haven't been mentioned, but that they have been visibly absent. The new repentia are a clear ret-con of all previous imagery.

Most factions have probably had retcons like this. They’ll just seem less outrageous because it will have happened gradually. This is new models all at once after many a year. Whatever they change will seem like a way bigger deal.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Most factions have probably had retcons like this. They’ll just seem less outrageous because it will have happened gradually. This is new models all at once after many a year. Whatever they change will seem like a way bigger deal.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the lore in general. The various pdf/chapter approved books have just reprinted smaller and smaller excerpts from the original fluff but nothing has really changed with the faction since 2nd edition.
(1st edition sister fluff was a literal joke)

Looking forward to more Sisters news, so we can hopefully drop this stupid argument about ports.

 Ouze wrote:

 kestral wrote:
I wonder if they will give them sandals. That would solve the boot/shoe issue, while looking "penitent".

I like the foot wraps as a compromise (but not when they are purity seal wraps, which seem heretical).

I don't think that would be much of a compromise as long as they retain that neat outfit. Say what you will about the shoes, but at least their design is in line with the outfit. Throw out one without the other and the model will look even worse.

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 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Most factions have probably had retcons like this. They’ll just seem less outrageous because it will have happened gradually. This is new models all at once after many a year. Whatever they change will seem like a way bigger deal.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the lore in general. The various pdf/chapter approved books have just reprinted smaller and smaller excerpts from the original fluff but nothing has really changed with the faction since 2nd edition.
(1st edition sister fluff was a literal joke)

I expect pretty much the same that happened in the Farsight codex. The established background will read familiar and reasonable, even if it's rephrased instead of just copy-pasted. Then the new additions come and Farsight turns into Superman.

That's the "quality" I expect we'll get in the new codex. If you're not on board with everything that's happened since the Necron retcon, you'll be in for a bad time when the Sisters codex drops.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Looking forward to more Sisters news, so we can hopefully drop this stupid argument about ports.

Another week and a half to go, provided the next Battle Sister Bulletin isn't a dud. Plenty of time to keep the plug argument going.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I still vote magic, though.

youwashock wrote:And magnets. Maybe they're magnets.

Surely, magnets are magic? Invisible power fields originating from a simple bit of metal. Can you explain that? Can you? Well, maybe, but still, magic!

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I still vote magic, though.

youwashock wrote:And magnets. Maybe they're magnets.

Surely, magnets are magic? Invisible power fields originating from a simple bit of metal. Can you explain that? Can you? Well, maybe, but still, magic!

Magnets aren't magic, they are MIRACLES!
(Spoilered for NSFW language, not my meme)

And do you know how we call Sisters of Battle miracles? Acts of faith.
Sisters of Battle power armor running on Acts of Faith confirmed people, if you don't burn your faith point your army cannot move!!!

the renders' don't look bad, but I would have liked to seen a ragged torn robes look instead of the gym cloths. (some one did a photo edit that I feel would have been more befitting of the repentia look)

I'm not positive on the power armor plugs. As that seem like something you'd only see on a space marine for the black carapace interface. Sisters power armor was always noted as not having a connection like this or at least a lack of.

 Geifer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 kestral wrote:
I wonder if they will give them sandals. That would solve the boot/shoe issue, while looking "penitent".

I like the foot wraps as a compromise (but not when they are purity seal wraps, which seem heretical).

I don't think that would be much of a compromise as long as they retain that neat outfit. Say what you will about the shoes, but at least their design is in line with the outfit. Throw out one without the other and the model will look even worse.

I agree, but I am 100% going to greenstuff in some sleeves and lengthen the shirt into a robe.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Most factions have probably had retcons like this. They’ll just seem less outrageous because it will have happened gradually. This is new models all at once after many a year. Whatever they change will seem like a way bigger deal.

Often they didn't happen gradually. The dark eldar redesign, aspect warriors existing at all, orks not having plasma guns, lascannons, etc, orks getting a complete profile overhaul, marines going from t3 to t4 and 4+ to 3+ and gaining exclusive access to that magical ability called Overwatch.
Tyranids players tended to shake with rage every time shadow in the warp (or similar abilities) got altered.
This little thing called Primaris...

It's a volatile game. People just forget, or only care about their pet projects. And even then, only if the mindcaulk in their heads gets irreconcilably contradicted by the changes. The vast majority have no reason to be personally offended by change.

 Crimson wrote:

Can it? Is there actually some actual citations about this or is it just headcanon?

If you're wondering why everyone just looked at you funny, there is a reason. but anyway.


As for sources, I refer you to *any* 40k RPG, though those from FFG got more detailed on requirements, Swallow's entire work on sisters. Any appearance by sisters in the Cain series. Someone else already covered what the Codex said. So... yeah, canon.

We also see Ephrael Stern out of her armor in Daemonifuge, so there's that, depending on which side of the canon divide you fall on that one.


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 Crimson wrote:

But AFAIK no SoB codex mentions such a bodyglove either. So by your logic mentioning such now would be an abominable retcon and a step towards turning Sisters into Inquisitors.

The Codex may not, but several other canon sources do imply such a thing. So, no, not a retcon. I'm not entirely certain, but I believe that Swallow mentions it in a scene where the sisters are donning their armor, though which one and where I'd have to dig around.

Liking the plugs is fine. Not liking the plugs is fine. Trying to argue that plugs do or do not fit a lore that is often contradictory and constantly evolving just makes you look silly imho.

These minis are one version of what Repentia could look like. The old minis were a different version. Maybe in 20 years they’ll be another.

 Ouze wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 kestral wrote:
I wonder if they will give them sandals. That would solve the boot/shoe issue, while looking "penitent".

I like the foot wraps as a compromise (but not when they are purity seal wraps, which seem heretical).

I don't think that would be much of a compromise as long as they retain that neat outfit. Say what you will about the shoes, but at least their design is in line with the outfit. Throw out one without the other and the model will look even worse.

I agree, but I am 100% going to greenstuff in some sleeves and lengthen the shirt into a robe.

Yeah, that'll work.

I think I'm really going to have to wait to see the 360s before I can even make up my mind if I want to go to the trouble of trying to fix them. Maybe sprue pictures, too.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Liking the plugs is fine. Not liking the plugs is fine. Trying to argue that plugs do or do not fit a lore that is often contradictory and constantly evolving just makes you look silly imho.

These minis are one version of what Repentia could look like. The old minis were a different version. Maybe in 20 years they’ll be another.

I just found Crimson a variant of hilarious and insulting since he's arguing with HBMC and I about 40k lore.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Liking the plugs is fine. Not liking the plugs is fine. Trying to argue that plugs do or do not fit a lore that is often contradictory and constantly evolving just makes you look silly imho.

Its fine to like or not like them. Arguing over lore is half of dakka dakka, so suggesting we all go home doesn't add anything to the conversation.

However, the plugs don't fit the visual theme, which is even more important to a miniature than the lore. The lore describes most of the Imperium's blocky, riveted together tech and vehicles as really highly advanced, but the emotive feel of it is archaic and brutal. It's more important to a bolter model that it looks chunky and dangerous than the strict number of bolts in any given magazine, caseless or cased ammunition, whether the thing could actually work.

In the context of the sisters, it's important that they are elegant and beautiful by default. They can get wounds, scars or bionic eyes that make them uglier, and repentia should have lots of that and mortification besides. But suggesting, as the new repentia models do, that the sisters aren't all that appealing under their armour kills the theme of beautiful, deadly, angelic elegance paired with the worst kinds of ugly fanaticism. A new squad of cadians modelled with happy smiles counting their paychecks and taking early retirement would similarly defeat the theme of downtrodden men being forced into meatgrinders by authoritarian psychopaths.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
These minis are one version of what Repentia could look like. The old minis were a different version. Maybe in 20 years they’ll be another.

If they mess up this launch after 20 years of waiting for plastic sisters, you think we'll get a new release? I'm old enough to remember chaos marines armies being fielded as spacewolves in white dwarf- an admission that the CSM dex wasn't worth using. I'm sure we'll get articles like 'Peachy's repentia' where they show you how to convert them from witchelves or what have you.

“Messing up the launch” is an entirely subjective thing though, isn’t it?


Never mind. It’s a pointless argument.

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 Crimson wrote:

Can it? Is there actually some actual citations about this or is it just headcanon?

If you're wondering why everyone just looked at you funny, there is a reason. but anyway.


As for sources, I refer you to *any* 40k RPG, though those from FFG got more detailed on requirements, Swallow's entire work on sisters. Any appearance by sisters in the Cain series. Someone else already covered what the Codex said. So... yeah, canon.

We also see Ephrael Stern out of her armor in Daemonifuge, so there's that, depending on which side of the canon divide you fall on that one.


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 Crimson wrote:

But AFAIK no SoB codex mentions such a bodyglove either. So by your logic mentioning such now would be an abominable retcon and a step towards turning Sisters into Inquisitors.

The Codex may not, but several other canon sources do imply such a thing. So, no, not a retcon. I'm not entirely certain, but I believe that Swallow mentions it in a scene where the sisters are donning their armor, though which one and where I'd have to dig around.

Right. FFG stuff I'd disregard as that is a licenced product and is even more full of nonsense than BL books. They basically made sisters magical. I am only familiar with studio fluff and nothing in that I can remember has gone in detail how SoB armour exactly works. Sure we haven't seen the plugs before, but frankly I always assumed that some sort of neural connection existed as it is pretty crazy if it wouldn't. I mean obviously not one exactly looking like this, but something similar, one at the back of the neck etc. The first SoB codex ever, the iconic Blache art has a Sister with prominent bionics, so it never really occurred to me that SoB using minor bionics to integrate with their armour would be controversial.

But if you're familiar with BL take on this, then tell me how the SoB armour has been described there. Only citation I have heard was Vail's armour ans she's an Inquisitor. Personally I don't feel that BL books are a good source of information of details like these, as each writer just independently makes them up as they go along, and there is little guarantee that each writer sees the thing similarly. Regardless, I'd be interesting to know what's been said there. Perhaps this indeed is the dividing factor here? People who just rely on studio fluff feel this is not a big deal as nothing they previously know is really contradicted, whereas people whose vision of SoB is shaped by BL or FFG have a different mental picture?

(We can also continue discussion in this thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/778195.page if people feel that this topic is getting too deraily.)




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 =Angel= wrote:

In the context of the sisters, it's important that they are elegant and beautiful by default. They can get wounds, scars or bionic eyes that make them uglier, and repentia should have lots of that and mortification besides. But suggesting, as the new repentia models do, that the sisters aren't all that appealing under their armour kills the theme of beautiful, deadly, angelic elegance paired with the worst kinds of ugly fanaticism.

Whoa! You literally said that. You literally said that these women are not pretty enough for you!

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
“Messing up the launch” is an entirely subjective thing though, isn’t it?

Not really in this case. If the first wave of plastic sisters don't sell well then it's likely the faction won't see a second wave. Perhaps ever.

They'll sell well. A few people saying they wont get them because they dont like some of the minor details will make little difference. I think the new repentia look great. I personally would have liked to have seen some barefoot and others with bandages/rags round their feet. possibly a bit more grimdarkiness , but I think theyre sweet. Awesome poses, some great details

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
They'll sell well.

The market for power-lifting chainsaw wielding tennis players is quite specialised.
Of course we haven't seen the rules, and if there is anything that sells a model well it's strong rules - especially for something allied to the largest player factions.