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 Casbyness wrote:
So. Hmm.

Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?

Now every individual plastic model is a miniature stage play, and will probably cost MORE than their metal counterparts. Might as well shell out for two metal Hospitallers if these wacky new versions cost just as much...

I also seriously question the wisdom of releasing a Sister miniature laying on her back, given all the nefarious Chaos players lurking around the conversion tables. That just isn't going to end well

Personally I'm a lot happier with this miniature than last fortnight's "Sisters of Tennis", but like just about everyone who actually plays the faction my first thoughts were immediately focused on what to do with the surrounding Diorama, since obviously I am going to cut the Hosp herself away from that nonsense and put her on a regular base instead

If you think the scenic base is why the model will be expensive then I'd like to offer you a great deal on this bridge I'm selling.

Also, why bother? No one's ever going to put a hospitaller on the table anyway.

 Casbyness wrote:
So. Hmm.

Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?

That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.

 warboss wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:
So. Hmm.

Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?

That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.

I think it was for Fantasy. I want to say it was that awesome Lord of Plagues model, or one of the chaos sorcerer models. The price increase for clampack characters is getting a bit much. I didn't mind when models were 25$, but these days, 30$ puts me off of getting anything.

As for the new model, I like it. Though, I feel like the dying sister should be facing toward the Hospatilier(?). I get that she could be having a vision of the Emperor or someone as she dies, but the way the model is, she'd be facing the enemy. I feel like it would make more sense if she was reaching toward the person that was comforting her as she died.

GaroRobe wrote:

I think it was for Fantasy. I want to say it was that awesome Lord of Plagues model, or one of the chaos sorcerer models. The price increase for clampack characters is getting a bit much. I didn't mind when models were 25$, but these days, 30$ puts me off of getting anything.

Very well could be as I didn't (and still don't for AOS) pay much attention to the fantasy side of things. I just remember two minis that killed the idea of reasonable (not to be confused with affordable) character minis for me personally: the plastic commissar and a tiny little LOTR golum sitting in a caudron or fish basket or something. There have been great deals since then but they tend to gravitate to big $100+ (now pretty much $150) boxed sets exclusively. YMMV and I don't want to turn this into yet another price complaint thread when that ship has sailed long ago.

 Crimson wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:

I think the point is that we don't want each of our own Hospitallars, or everyone's collective Hospitallers, to all look alike and stuck in the exact same pose above the same fallen sister.

I think it will be pretty easy to customise the model with leftover bits from other sister kits*. And no one if forcing you to put the dying sister on the base of every Hospitaller.


* (Hella lot easier than customising that old singlepose metal model, that's for sure!)

No but we are forced to pay for the sodding thing, and anyone who's got to deal with pickup or event games will be stuck using the XBAWXHUEG base lest they be accused of "cheating"(and don't bother making rational arguments about how a smaller base is actually a disadvantage for what will likely be an aura-based character, the "unOFFICIAL! REEEEEEEE!" crowd care only that it isn't the model assembled and shown 100% as the instructions that come in the packet dictate).

The model is by no means a disaster like the Repentia, but the fact that a fly is only a little thing doesn't mean it can't spoil your anticipation for an otherwise lovely bowl of soup.

 Yodhrin wrote:

No but we are forced to pay for the sodding thing,

No, you aren't. You can choose not to buy it.

and anyone who's got to deal with pickup or event games will be stuck using the XBAWXHUEG base lest they be accused of "cheating"(and don't bother making rational arguments about how a smaller base is actually a disadvantage for what will likely be an aura-based character, the "unOFFICIAL! REEEEEEEE!" crowd care only that it isn't the model assembled and shown 100% as the instructions that come in the packet dictate).

It's not GW's fault if players are asshats. Playing with people like that would be a miserable experience anyway, so why bother? Hospitaller on a slightly smaller base will be a great way to detect people with whom you don't want to play.

And if you really want to use the big base but not the casualty, put some other stuff on it. Servo-skulls would work.

This is again manufacturing a problem when none exists.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

No but we are forced to pay for the sodding thing,

No, you aren't. You can choose not to buy it.

and anyone who's got to deal with pickup or event games will be stuck using the XBAWXHUEG base lest they be accused of "cheating"(and don't bother making rational arguments about how a smaller base is actually a disadvantage for what will likely be an aura-based character, the "unOFFICIAL! REEEEEEEE!" crowd care only that it isn't the model assembled and shown 100% as the instructions that come in the packet dictate).

It's not GW's fault if players are asshats. Playing with people like that would be a miserable experience anyway, so why bother? Hospitaller on a slightly smaller base will be a great way to detect people with whom you don't want to play.

And if you really want to use the big base but not the casualty, put some other stuff on it. Servo-skulls would work.

This is again manufacturing a problem when none exists.

You're doing that thing again. Your opinion is not everyone's opinion, and it's not an objective fact.

As for "durr don't buy it" nonsense - well, obviously; the "thing" being referred to was the scenic doodads, but for the terminally pedantic I'll rephrase: If you want to purchase the new Hospitaller miniature, you are forced to pay the price GW are asking, which will undoubtedly be inflated by the scenic additions that many people will consider superfluous. If you honestly can't grasp why that might annoy people, I don't know what to tell you.

It is GWs plastic character mini. It will be ludicrously expensive regardless. And it's not like the casualty will double its price or something.

Don't think it as useless extra bit, think it as getting a hella cool objective marker as a bonus.

This place is so depressing though. We are finally getting plastic Battle Sisters, GW sculptors are surpassing themselves by producing one amazing sculpt after another, and people here do their damnedest to come up some trivial nonsense to whine about... Including crying about getting more bits in the kit!

 Yodhrin wrote:

I'll rephrase: If you want to purchase the new Hospitaller miniature, you are forced to pay the price GW are asking, which will undoubtedly be inflated by the scenic additions that many people will consider superfluous. If you honestly can't grasp why that might annoy people, I don't know what to tell you.

Just buy it on whatever discount shop gives you the best deal. Here, you won't be paying full GW price.

And seriously, what is that kind of argument ? Of course if you want the new miniature, you'll buy it at the price it will be sold. It's litterally the same for any new product in the world. You're blaming GW for that, really ?

About the scenic base, it won't be the reason of the new price. GW sold Stormcast Eternals and Space Marines Primaris heroes at higher price with some having scenic bases and others not. It's not about content, it's about the value they're giving it.

And finally, if you have the old metal miniature, just put it on whatever the new base will be and it will be fine. Hell, even a conversion from a basic sister will do with most players.

Besides, there is nothing so far that annoy people about the price, because we don't know the price in question. It's useless to be annoyed by something that's not here yet. Unless you want to be pedantic or waste your time.

 Crimson wrote:
It is GWs plastic character mini. It will be ludicrously expensive regardless. And it's not like the casualty will double its price or something.

Don't think it as useless extra bit, think it as getting a hella cool objective marker as a bonus.

This place is so depressing though. We are finally getting plastic Battle Sisters, GW sculptors are surpassing themselves by producing one amazing sculpt after another, and people here do their damnedest to come up some trivial nonsense to whine about... Including crying about getting more bits in the kit!

Eh. They haven't been all that amazing. Kind of bland and uninteresting, to be honest, with some serious scale issues and lack of imagination. The canoness will have... a wimple and... a ruler! Yay, bad gun magazine cover art.
i shouldn't look at these models, look at 20+ year old metal model and prefer the latter. The battle sisters and repentia are an improvement (though there wasn't any way the repentia wouldn't be, and the battle sisters are just kinda workman-like, with too much basing crap), but the characters are amazingly disappointing so far.

I think one issue is that the 3D views lack some of the impact of paint and actual scale view of models imparts to the viewer. Many areas look far too "clean" but that's mostly because they are a digital rendering and lack the natural shadowing and texture of plastic and that's all before even basic painting with shades and highlights on the model.

It would not surprise me if some look at these and dislike them now as a rendering, but grow to love them at a model.

 Crimson wrote:

This place is so depressing though. We are finally getting plastic Battle Sisters, GW sculptors are surpassing themselves by producing one amazing sculpt after another, and people here do their damnedest to come up some trivial nonsense to whine about... Including crying about getting more bits in the kit!

Or maybe, just maybe, some people don't see a regular human model being released on a dreadnought-sized scenic base as a 'trivial' problem...?

If you like it, that's great. But dismissing other opinions as 'whining' really doesn't help encourage civil discussion.

I rather like this Hospitalier, even if the base is busy.

 warboss wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:
So. Hmm.

Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?

That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.

Ironic that you pick on of the few plastic characters that actually has a option included in the kit (will that be Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol?).

 insaniak wrote:

Or maybe, just maybe, some people don't see a regular human model being released on a dreadnought-sized scenic base as a 'trivial' problem...?

How is it not a trivial problem? Put it on a smaller base, not hard. Also, I'm pretty sure that's a 50mm base, not a dreadnought base, and seeing how much empty space there is, you could probably fit the 'diorama' on 40mm base as well.

And considering that the current Hospitaller is on a small base, no one really should have any even remotely reasonable objection for using a smaller base for the new one as well.

 alextroy wrote:
I rather like this Hospitalier, even if the base is busy.

 warboss wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:
So. Hmm.

Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?

That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.

Ironic that you pick on of the few plastic characters that actually has a option included in the kit (will that be Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol?).

Irony? My only experience with single plastic miniatures sold separately at that point was with the 4th edition posable space marine commander that came with over a dozen different bits and almost as many weapon options for only (at the time) a few dollars more. It was a massive step down for me as a consumer but YMMV. I covered the pistol swap under the "LITTLE" options disclaimer as I don't think a single plastic bit puts that kit in any different category than a kti that doesn't have that single piece.

 Crimson wrote:
... I'm pretty sure that's a 50mm base, not a dreadnought base,

Oh, well, that's so much better, then...


You've already had one of the reasons it's an issue explained to you. You may not agree it's an actual issue, but at least do others the courtesy of not dismissing it out of hand, because all that does is turn it into a bigger issue than it started out as people take offense at their opinion being dismissed as whining.

A lot of gamers do have hang-ups about base sizes. That's not some new thing, but will only get more pronounced as GW continue to de-prioritise the customisation aspect of the hobby and people get increasingly used to things being used as-is.

The other obvious problem is that while as a one-off it's not the end of the world, if it's the start of a trend for putting characters on ridiculously oversized, scenic bases, that's going to get old really fast. If they have room on the sprue to include half a square foot of terrain on there, I for one would much rather they used that space for weapon or equipment options, and keep the models functional for gaming rather than being designed to sit on a shelf and look pretty. As a collector's piece, this model would be fantastic. As a gaming piece, half of the model is just wasted plastic.

Cool model. A little odd that she's more over the top (scenic base) than the Cannoness recently shown.

Already have idea to get 2 of these to fill out a vanguard of Hospitaller. Convert one a little to be a Cannoness of a Hospitaller order. That one I shall give the sister on the ground a bolt pistol so she's firing to the last breath.
The other will go on a small base while that ones big scenic base will go to my Celestine model; things there will be positioned so she's looking up as Celestine as she swoops in.

Hoping the rules for them improve.

Hope the book is optional as I like the surgical tools to be prominent. Really hoping to modify her to look like she's actually doing her job- healing! Instead of just standing there giving a sermon and almost looking reminiscent of the old metal Cannoness model with the book in hand.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm diggin the hospitaller

if you don't like doves&scrolls there is a new invention, it's a piece of metal that's really sharp on one side and has been said to make cutting plastic easy.

The base looks a little large but as long as you can remove the hospitaller from the base it's a non issue. If not, then surgery on her is neccessary.

The Sororitas on the base looks great and actually appears to be in her death throes. it does look like shes taken a few stubber projectiles in her abdomen, woulda been cooler if she was on her side and had some bolts gogo boomboom.

Clippers existing isn't a reason to tell people they can't say they don't like something.

no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.

I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.

 insaniak wrote:
The other obvious problem is that while as a one-off it's not the end of the world, if it's the start of a trend for putting characters on ridiculously oversized, scenic bases, that's going to get old really fast. If they have room on the sprue to include half a square foot of terrain on there, I for one would much rather they used that space for weapon or equipment options, and keep the models functional for gaming rather than being designed to sit on a shelf and look pretty.

An additional concern I have, in agreement with you, is the more bling you add to a base, the more it sticks out when you play against an army or on a board that doesn't match. "Hey, we're fighting Eldar, so here I am carrying around an Ork corpse for some reason".

Racerguy180 wrote:
no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.

I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.

Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.

 Ouze wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
The other obvious problem is that while as a one-off it's not the end of the world, if it's the start of a trend for putting characters on ridiculously oversized, scenic bases, that's going to get old really fast. If they have room on the sprue to include half a square foot of terrain on there, I for one would much rather they used that space for weapon or equipment options, and keep the models functional for gaming rather than being designed to sit on a shelf and look pretty.

An additional concern I have, in agreement with you, is the more bling you add to a base, the more it sticks out when you play against an army or on a board that doesn't match. "Hey, we're fighting Eldar, so here I am carrying around an Ork corpse for some reason".

While that's a general concern, at least in this case the base decoration comes from your own army, so it should fit.

It is going to be more work if you use specific scenic bases and then have to try to fit additional scenic bits to them. Hardly impossible, but it can be annoying.

Got to agree with Insaniak, though. as nice as the Sister on the base is, thanks to no model no rules I'd rather that space was taken up with options for the Hospitaller instead.

SeanDrake wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.

I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.

Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.

Yeah, that was a given when Sisters were announced. This year's price hikes only make it more obvious.

Really liking the new Hospitalier. Bravo.

...and the scenic base is easily enough dispensed with.

 Geifer wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.

I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.

Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.

Yeah, that was a given when Sisters were announced. This year's price hikes only make it more obvious.

Unless these are some cheap ass(points wise) power armored minitures, GSC is going to be really hard to beat. It'd have to be 100 bucks for 10 sisters to be more expensive than GSC per point.

Anybody considered that she could actually be a special character which is why she has a scenic base?

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.

I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.

Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.

Yeah, that was a given when Sisters were announced. This year's price hikes only make it more obvious.

Unless these are some cheap ass(points wise) power armored minitures, GSC is going to be really hard to beat. It'd have to be 100 bucks for 10 sisters to be more expensive than GSC per point.

I think I should add that I don't agree with the most expensive ever part in absolute terms. As you say, Genestealer Cults are not in a good spot and they're a horde army on top of everything.

Still, I expect Sisters to be hideously expensive. I thought some of the more recent vehicle and monster kits were bad. Then GW released the new Repulsor. As far as I'm concerned we've now moved past silly pricing into ludicrous territory.

I've basically abandoned the idea of buying a Sisters army without the inevitable discount boxes we'll get however far down the line to at least get the core of the army at something I can consider a reasonable price.

Part of me thinks we might see a battle box containing some mono-pose sisters before we get the full kits, much like the Primaris Vanguard units got with Shadowspear. The only thing I'm not sure on is if they'll have units from another army in place to pit against the sisters for it to make it happen.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Anybody considered that she could actually be a special character which is why she has a scenic base?

I can't think of an instance where Warhammer Community blatantly misrepresented a model's name. The article title is just Sister Hospitaller, and they talk of her as the new Hospitaller model.

I think if the model was supposed to be Sister Hospitaller Kate, they would have said so.

phillv85 wrote:
Part of me thinks we might see a battle box containing some mono-pose sisters before we get the full kits, much like the Primaris Vanguard units got with Shadowspear. The only thing I'm not sure on is if they'll have units from another army in place to pit against the sisters for it to make it happen.

THere was that one insistent rumour when traitor guardsmen showed up.

altough i believe we will see a full propper cultist box before that happens. Or a plastic deffkopta from black reach to actually be released.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Anybody considered that she could actually be a special character which is why she has a scenic base?

Why would being a special character make a difference? The base is still too big.