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 Geifer wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
IIf there is no real Inquisition element to things, I won't be fielding a SoB army, but I'm really happy for everyone who has waited a long time for all of this.

There won't be (unfortunately, in a way) because these days GW will write a codex even for the tiniest niche faction, so there's really no reason to have the Inquisition in an Ecclesiarchy codex.

Of course there's also that little problem with the current designers apparently thinking Inquisition has no place in 40k. Something like that might get in the way a little bit, too.

I've been meaning to convert a new Inquisitor for ages, but it's just so damn hard to guess the exact combination of exotic wargear every single Inquisitor in the galaxy will use once GW does get around to giving the Inquisition some love.

I wouldn't object to getting baldy from the Psychic Awakening video. I like her. Well, her look anyway. She's a bit hysterical there. Just because there's this little Chaos incursion going on way over there in the background, hardly in sight of anyone. Kind of points to a lack of faith in the Emperor.

You see that? People like that have no place in a Sisters book. Come on! Lack. Of. Faith. That's just not a good fit.

Gw's current designers:

Things that belong in 40k
-Wulfen
-Logan Grimnar on Stormrider
-Centurions
-Cut Xenos Into Pieces, This is my Lightning Claw Shrike
-Call of Duty: Modern Space Marine VII
-GK Baby Carrier
-Noblebright Bananalads on golden spacebikes
-Maurice the Space Cowboy who can oneshot dudes in power armor with contemptuous ease

Things that don't belong in 40k

-The inquisition.

I mean, think about it. It's so silly, right? The inquisition. Who came up with that. What are they doing on the battlefield? They should be inquisiting.

Yeah, it's not like they released anything for them, such as Eisenhorn and Greyfax recently... Oh wait

 Irbis wrote:
Yeah, it's not like they released anything for them, such as Eisenhorn and Greyfax recently... Oh wait

But as a faction the Inquisition is on lifesupport. The indexes have not been in print for a long time and are effectively going away. And those Index rules utterly sucked anyway. They haven't gotten as much as a WD article. And of course there is no generic plastic models for them at all. It is my favourite faction so this worries me.

 Irbis wrote:
Yeah, it's not like they released anything for them, such as Eisenhorn and Greyfax recently... Oh wait

I will not rest until I have a 10-man multipart jokaero kit, so that I might build my ultimate APEpocalypse army made up only of joakaero.

until then I shall smugly sneer every time GW releases something and says everyone has a reason to be excited.

"Everyone, heh, so you're saying we apocalypse only Jokaero players have something to be excited for?"

Also, on a slightly more serious side-note, the release of Inquisitor Grayfax...that was an edition ago at this point, yeah? And it's not like as a whole, the models from those little triumvirate boxes have done particularly great usability wise.

All the Ynnari have been shuffled, shunted, nerfed, noodled, and seem to have been filed away in a drawer labeled "our worst idea ever" to rot.

Grayfax is similarly just chilling in an index-only faction with no other plastic buddies to play with and no easy way to fit her in any army.

Cypher is...well...samesies there.

Random Gray Knight Duder...whatever his name was, does he even still have rules?

Belligerent Carl, Celestine and Guilliman are the only three out of the 9 models from those box sets at the end of 7th that really found a place in the game. As a way to introduce characters to the game, I can't call the triumvirates a success at all.

 Geifer wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
IIf there is no real Inquisition element to things, I won't be fielding a SoB army, but I'm really happy for everyone who has waited a long time for all of this.

Of course there's also that little problem with the current designers apparently thinking Inquisition has no place in 40k. Something like that might get in the way a little bit, too.

My favourite bit about that was on Saturday they stood up and said that inquisition with there black powder looking weapons and general style did not fit 40k, then on Sunday they released the Rouge Trader Captain Codpiece and his epic moustache completely contradicting themselves.

Given the fact that we haven't heard any rumours or seen any hints regarding new units or rules, am I the only one who is starting to have a sinking feeling about this. I mean, I have been playing SoB since early Codex: Witchhunter and so by now I am use to disappointments concerning the sisters... That in combination with the new, and improved C:SM 2.0 gets me worried that when it comes to being power armoured bolter infantry, we will just be blown out of the water.

 Crimson wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Yeah, it's not like they released anything for them, such as Eisenhorn and Greyfax recently... Oh wait

But as a faction the Inquisition is on lifesupport. The indexes have not been in print for a long time and are effectively going away. And those Index rules utterly sucked anyway. They haven't gotten as much as a WD article. And of course there is no generic plastic models for them at all. It is my favourite faction so this worries me.

In an age where GW have developed plastic Deathwatch, Genestealer Cults and Sisters of Battle along with the most recent revelation of a plastic Howling Banshee aspect warrior for Eldar I'm fairly certain, at this point, that it's only a matter of time before the Inquisition gets it's turn. Forgeworld is even selling a resin Squat for Necromunda. Some bright spark in Nottingham seems to have figured out the company has 30+ years worth of background material to plunder and update and they seem to be working their way through it, albeit very slowly. The Inquisition will not be forgotten.




(Famous last words, of course! )

 Irbis wrote:
Yeah, it's not like they released anything for them, such as Eisenhorn and Greyfax recently... Oh wait

Yeah, 'cause two minis equal a whole faction.

I was wrong. You don't just practice being disingenuous, you've turned it into an art form.

Removed - BrookM

I would be on board with the Army Box if it ended up at $150ish. It has less models than Shadowspear, instead it has a codex.

But judging from the Start Collecting boxes, and the BSF Escalation price, the Sisters army box will be $200 at least.
Its got double the models of any Powered Armor SC.

The distinct lack of Inquisition (my favorite faction also, along with witch hunters and warrior priests in fantasy/AoS) is disturbing. They just keep showing up as really important characters in all the fluff, but are simply abandoned on the tabletop.

Inquisitors can be extremely powerful individuals. Eisenhorn and Ravenor are powerful psykers, and before the ravages of age and battle, Eisenhorn was a deadly swordsman (and still is physically powerful due to bionics). Their retinues are deady soldiers, spies, and assassins, on par with Scions and Execution Force assassins.

To say that Inquisition has no place in 40k is positively BAFFLING. Do they read their own fluff?

Anyway, this is way off topic, lol

Going back to Sisters

How lovely is that box art

 Mr Morden wrote:
Going back to Sisters

How lovely is that box art

Spoiler:

Buy a box, cut it out, stick it on a wall lovely?

Only until I see the box price, obviously.

My worry is that the limited edition codex will inflate the price of the box beyond reasonable.

GW being GW will inflate the price of the box beyond reasonable. Any limited edition aspect might push it beyond realistically justifiable. But we'll have to wait and see. Box art sure is lovely.

I mean I want the box to cost less than 'the price of the models separately' + 'the price of the normal edition of the codex'. If it is more than that, then it is a clear no go for me, regardless of how pretty the box art might be.

Inquisition as an organization really shouldn't be present on tabletop. Then again, I also don't think super-heavies should, so what do I know.

Cronch wrote:
Inquisition as an organization really shouldn't be present on tabletop.

Of course they should. Not as a full army, but allies and leaders of other Imperial armies. We have bloody Primarchs running around FFS!

 Scrub wrote:


In an age where GW have developed plastic Deathwatch, Genestealer Cults and Sisters of Battle along with the most recent revelation of a plastic Howling Banshee aspect warrior for Eldar I'm fairly certain, at this point, that it's only a matter of time before the Inquisition gets it's turn. Forgeworld is even selling a resin Squat for Necromunda. Some bright spark in Nottingham seems to have figured out the company has 30+ years worth of background material to plunder and update and they seem to be working their way through it, albeit very slowly. The Inquisition will not be forgotten.

Hopefully they are working on a new, simpler, 32mm version of the Inquisitor RPG...

T

 Crimson wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Inquisition as an organization really shouldn't be present on tabletop.

Of course they should. Not as a full army, but allies and leaders of other Imperial armies. We have bloody Primarchs running around FFS!

Given that Cronch doesn't want superheavies either, the odds that he approves of 40k primarchs on the table is pretty low, so not much of a counter argument.

I'd add aircraft to the list of things that don't belong in '28mm' 40k, along with superheavies, primarchs and inquisitors.

Back to squad based game with a bare handful of vehicles. Though amusingly, Inquisitors are much more tolerable at the old battle sizes of 1st/2nd edition.

I think I accidentally stumbled into a thread titled "Complaining about Inquisition". Are the mods just asleep or something?

Voss wrote:

Back to squad based game with a bare handful of vehicles. Though amusingly, Inquisitors are much more tolerable at the old battle sizes of 1st/2nd edition.

But the Inquisitors work in either size. In the old style small size, the army can be a full Inquisitorial warband. In big modern armies the Inquisitor is a supreme leader with his retinue of bodyguards and advisers, the rest of the army being something they have commandeered.


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 EnTyme wrote:
I think I accidentally stumbled into a thread titled "Complaining about Inquisition". Are the mods just asleep or something?

Fair. Though the Witch Hunters did share a codex with the SoB at some point, and that's why they're associated for many people. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to use these new SoB for a 3rd edition style Witch Hunter army.

Voss wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Inquisition as an organization really shouldn't be present on tabletop.

Of course they should. Not as a full army, but allies and leaders of other Imperial armies. We have bloody Primarchs running around FFS!

Given that Cronch doesn't want superheavies either, the odds that he approves of 40k primarchs on the table is pretty low, so not much of a counter argument.

I'd add aircraft to the list of things that don't belong in '28mm' 40k, along with superheavies, primarchs and inquisitors.

Back to squad based game with a bare handful of vehicles. Though amusingly, Inquisitors are much more tolerable at the old battle sizes of 1st/2nd edition.

One of those things is not like the others.

(Loyalist)Primarchs are thematically inappropriate. Superheavies and aircraft are mechanically inappropriate, outside of "special modes" like a scenario centred around them or Apocalypse.

Inquisitors are no more or less mechanically appropriate than any other human character, so they fit in fine. They're also absolutely thematically appropriate, and have been depicted commanding armies and participating in battles loads of times."Inquisitors don't belong in 40K" isn't actually a thing, it's a flimsy justification they're trying to peddle because nobody at the Studio is presently interested in doing Inquisition, and for some mad reason GW still operate on a whim-based development schedule unless the Suits step in an give them a direct instruction to pull the finger out(see: Sisters). The only reason we're seeing Squats in Necromunda is Andy Hoare & co like Squats. The moment someone at the Studio gets a hankering for Inquisition, or they hire someone who'll champion the faction, or the Suits step in and say "make that", then Inquisition will miraculously belong in 40K again.

At least there's a sculpt for the burning heretic from that cover coming up...

Agusto wrote:
Given the fact that we haven't heard any rumours or seen any hints regarding new units or rules, am I the only one who is starting to have a sinking feeling about this. I mean, I have been playing SoB since early Codex: Witchhunter and so by now I am use to disappointments concerning the sisters... That in combination with the new, and improved C:SM 2.0 gets me worried that when it comes to being power armoured bolter infantry, we will just be blown out of the water.

There are hints at new units and rules though, the penitent engine flamers look twin linked and there are 3 models unnaccounted for in the new box set.


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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
GW being GW will inflate the price of the box beyond reasonable. Any limited edition aspect might push it beyond realistically justifiable. But we'll have to wait and see. Box art sure is lovely.

GW generally prices 'box sets' very fairly. The multipart kits after...not so much.

 EnTyme wrote:
I think I accidentally stumbled into a thread titled "Complaining about Inquisition". Are the mods just asleep or something?

I was.


So - let's get back to drooling over the pretty new toys, and leave the debates about the merits of Inquisition armies and the arguing over links to Facebook comments for elsewhere, hmm?

Thus far I'm thinking of grabbing the box. The rules at this stage are a Russian roulette, won't know till the trigger is pulled. Hopefully the rules will be good but I'm sure like trailers for comedy movies, he will only preview the good bits.

That aside, I want the box for that Pengines to fill out my squadron like I've always wanted.
The ceremonial Cannoness will be good for my fluffy head of the order.
More sisters is always good but I really hope there's a meltagun in there.
Mistress is boss and look forward to having a second to run larger squads of repentia.
The repentia....I'm going to have to commission someone t o fix those with greenstuff torn robes because....oof.

Gonna grab 2 Hospitaller, one to put on small base and give that scenic base to Celestine. Other will be a Cannoness Hospitaller.

That will probably eat the funds I've set aside for them.

Expect previews towards the end of october, both rules and box contents.

It won't be complete Russian roulette.

 Crimson wrote:
My worry is that the limited edition codex will inflate the price of the box beyond reasonable.

A case of false scarcity, surely? I can't imagine that there's anything in that box that won't go into general release.

Voss wrote:
Expect previews towards the end of october, both rules and box contents.

It won't be complete Russian roulette.

I seriously doubt that they'll preview the things we actually want to look at. Probably just get rules for the models we have seen so far. PenEngine rules could certainly see being fixed as its a definite stinker unit. I hope the book is for sale outside the box as I don't need any of the models. This entire release is going to come down to rules. The models will sell sure, but craptastic rules will have them sitting the sidelines. The Index helped, the Beta certainly didn't.

Sprue pictures are out and about for the canoness. Strictly monopose, no weapon options, no alternate head or leg.

The braziers on the front are easy to remove but the collar (and plasma pistol) look like a fair bit of work and greenstuff to clean up.