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Casbyness wrote: What has surprised me the most is Dark Sphere never even bothered trying to list it on their website. And they're my go-to store for this kind of thing.
They had an expression of interest form up. Those people get first refusal and whatever doesn't get taken goes on general sale at the end of the weekend.
They should have made that about 1,000% more obvious, I didn't see it anywhere on their site and as always I went to them first, weeks ago. Even asked in person at one of their stores and they had no idea what i was even talking about.
Casbyness wrote: What has surprised me the most is Dark Sphere never even bothered trying to list it on their website. And they're my go-to store for this kind of thing.
They had an expression of interest form up. Those people get first refusal and whatever doesn't get taken goes on general sale at the end of the weekend.
They should have made that about 1,000% more obvious, I didn't see it anywhere on their site and as always I went to them first, weeks ago. Even asked in person at one of their stores and they had no idea what i was even talking about.
Agreed. I only found my way to the form because someone here or in a FB group or Reddit posted the link. I didn't get an email either.
On the bright side, unless people are looking to scalp there should be boxes to buy at the end of the weekend.
sarduka42 wrote: Wow, GW Australia just sold out of the box sets in under 2 minutes!
Good thing they have a two week pre-order period then...
I'm still confused by that. I get that GW doesn't use pre-orders in the way most companies do, because their window is so short (rather than getting a feel for interest and demand to set their initial production), but two weeks for a limited product that seemed pretty likely to sell out doesn't serve any purpose at all. [Oddly what it does do is suggest a lack of faith that the box would actually sell out (like Dark Uprising or Blood of the Phoenix)]
I mean, they could be aiming for Black Friday marketing here in the States, but if it is that, they're doing it wrong.
I hope they at least have the sense to put the Christmas boxes up for preorder on the following Saturday.
Bolded for emphasis. We constantly hear about how the moulds for the sprues cost a huge amount to make (they're definitely the most expensive part of the process) and in a regular release kit, it going out of stock just means they'll make more, and if the initial casting run doesn't cover the costs, subsequent, multiple reissues will. Things like the Rhino kit must be pure profit every time they sell one at this stage. Now, I'll be surprised if these Sisters don't show up again at some point down the line (Start Collecting possibly, though it does seem an above average deal even for those boxes) but if we're to believe the hype GW has been building for this box, it's the only way to get these specific models (and also likely the only way to get them at any kind of discount. I fully expect the individual boxes for each unit to be at least £25, probably £30+ in the cases of the Seraphim and Penitent Engine) and whilst I'm not going to argue that separate kits for a unit with some options for loadout or posing is worth a cost increase over monopose kits like the ones in this army box this is still a saving, and a good start to get into the army, especially with the Codex.
GW's pre-order system is a farce, not specifically in this case, though it's a very good example of it. They've hyped plastic Sisters for...what? a year and a half? They do this all the time. Maybe rather than building up everyone's excitement for a product that doesn't exist, and hiding the price for it, for weeks or months on end, then giving people a week or 2 two, they'd maybe be better to put pre-orders up early, and gauge an interest for the number of units they're likely to sell. Wild idea, but surely they'd make more money off the box, if all the people who've tried to order it today, had been able to put in a pre-order (which AFAIK you can't cancel from GW) any time over the past month or more? Then they can make enough of the things in the box to sell? Obviously this time they've done ok, but if they'd had a larger timescale for Blood Of the Phoenix, they might have been able to tell that it was far less popular than they'd probably hoped it would be, and wouldn't have to pulp those rulebooks and boxes instead being able to just save the sprues to do another run when they're ready to release the new units as individual kits.
Worst thing is they already do this really well with their Made To Order stuff. I get the limited time-frame with that, they don't really want to make tons of old stuff, long-term. But new stuff, we've already waited through months of hype for? We could surely cope a little longer if we know we can actually get the things we want?
Worst thing is they already do this really well with their Made To Order stuff. I get the limited time-frame with that, they don't really want to make tons of old stuff, long-term. But new stuff, we've already waited through months of hype for? We could surely cope a little longer if we know we can actually get the things we want?
To add salt to injury they waited the last two weeks before release to tell us this box was a limited edition release.
They changed the front page advert for Sisters on the UKGW website. It now says if you missed out you should try going to the store on the 29th to pick up a set.
Why wouldn't it be legal? It's simply demand and supply, and literally how all the stock exchanges work. Most Kickstarters do some kind of limited early-bird offerings at reduced prices, too.
But it's not very consumer-friendly.
Difference is GW sets the supply and doesn't care about the demand, they are the ones making such a limited number of boxes available for pre-order. Two week pre-order, mind you...they have complete control over production, they are doing it so limited on purpose, so that people are rushed to buy them.
Casbyness wrote: What has surprised me the most is Dark Sphere never even bothered trying to list it on their website. And they're my go-to store for this kind of thing.
They had an expression of interest form up. Those people get first refusal and whatever doesn't get taken goes on general sale at the end of the weekend.
They should have made that about 1,000% more obvious, I didn't see it anywhere on their site and as always I went to them first, weeks ago. Even asked in person at one of their stores and they had no idea what i was even talking about.
Agreed. I only found my way to the form because someone here or in a FB group or Reddit posted the link. I didn't get an email either.
On the bright side, unless people are looking to scalp there should be boxes to buy at the end of the weekend.
Yeah I only found out about the expression of interest form here - I registered - they sent me a PayPal invoice 30 mins ago so I got one - £116 including postage - check your email for an invoice.
I can normally defend most of GWs business practices as they make sense from a business point of view, but the sheer lack of stock made available for this release should cost someone a job at GW , this isn't a standard new codex and some new shiny stuff ,this is an army that has been left on the back burner for years, promoted for two years and has had a biweekly report on the models for months ,the hype surrounding this has been massive , to produce so little stock that you can't fulfill the demand from Indies and your own website means they have failed not only the fans but also the share holders ,this box set was a licence to print money and more importantly if they have failed to correctly produce the required amount of stock for this release it follows that they will also have failed to produce enough stock for the full multipart release in January, which will likely mean many people won't be able to get what they want for the army and again may just stop some people bothering at all.
GW really need more confidence in new releases as this lack of stock is turning into a bad joke.
Good thing I decided to not even try. The regular SoB squad previewed is IMO much better, and 128€ not that great a price for what you get, so I figured it'd not be worth the stress of trying to get it*.
I bet a new guard regiment or an equally impressive effort for Orks (elite infantry) and Craftworlds could see the same frenzy.
*I will scream bloody murder if I can't get one or two of those new SC Slaves to Darkness boxes, though.
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
WhiteDog wrote:GW has effectively made me quit on buying that sister boxset. This is so dumb.
Anybody who claim this is actually a good move business wise is delusional. If the box had way higher quality and a higher price tag all this fuss would make sense, such a shortage would makes sense. But for a simple 160 € box with a codex and a battle force, with almost no exclusive miniature (except maybe the canoness, which is a direct downgrade compared to the canoness kit that will appear) this is outright stupidity.
They are not just losing out on sales of this set. Earlier this morning, I decided that I would not get any of the new SoB (bar perhaps the odd figure to convert into other things) unless I managed to get a copy of the box. Not sure how many people are weird like that, but any who are and missed out would have cost them a SoB collector, possibly indeed a new 40k player.
sarduka42 wrote: Wow, GW Australia just sold out of the box sets in under 2 minutes!
Good thing they have a two week pre-order period then...
I'm still confused by that. I get that GW doesn't use pre-orders in the way most companies do, because their window is so short (rather than getting a feel for interest and demand to set their initial production), but two weeks for a limited product that seemed pretty likely to sell out doesn't serve any purpose at all. [Oddly what it does do is suggest a lack of faith that the box would actually sell out (like Dark Uprising or Blood of the Phoenix)]
I mean, they could be aiming for Black Friday marketing here in the States, but if it is that, they're doing it wrong.
I hope they at least have the sense to put the Christmas boxes up for preorder on the following Saturday.
GW's pre-order system is a farce, not specifically in this case, though it's a very good example of it. They've hyped plastic Sisters for...what? a year and a half? They do this all the time. Maybe rather than building up everyone's excitement for a product that doesn't exist, and hiding the price for it, for weeks or months on end, then giving people a week or 2 two, they'd maybe be better to put pre-orders up early, and gauge an interest for the number of units they're likely to sell.
While I am in no way looking to defend this behaviour, in this particular case it could have something to do with the non-miniature contents? When they are not printed in-house, or even within the UK, there might have to be a very long time delay between placing the orders, and them collecting the numbers, having the correct number produced, then shipped over to Nottingham, and then finally shipped to the customers. Suppose they've done something like that with the Bandai Space Marine, but for GW's own products it would be a big departure. Though they are clearly terrible at predicting demand, so they might perhaps one day start considering it - as you say, it seems to make financial sense at least.
Casbyness wrote: With all the excitement over the past week, this completely slipped my mind.
No rules in the Codex for: Veridyan, Novena, or Ephrael.
Yeah okay Ephrael was a long shot, but seriously with nothing special for the other two? What was the point of them? O.o
..that really galls me. Yeah, I was also pulling for ephrael, but why no rules for these other characters? we lost Uriah, get a new character OoML... but weren't all of these characters also OoML? so that makes 2 of the newer miniatures just.. there?
ehh.... waiting for the info on the codex to drop at this point. so far its about as expected from me on this overall.
Hmm. Given the video posted a tiny bit further back in this thread, I don't see any reason not to convert the Seraphim into melee Zephyrim instead, and switch the Penitent Engine weapons to change them into Mortifiers.
I mean, rather than wait until March next year it would be a heck of a lot simpler just to use this set to build the new units, right?
Then I'll only be missing the Pulpit, Triumph and Sactum.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Box is side opening - - hmm was hoping it was a top opening
So Mortifier is the variant on Pentent Engine - as thought - hv bolters
Same with Zephrs being Seraphim variants
Canoness can have a Null Rod or Rod of Office
Argent Shroud almost annihilated
Judith is new Canoness Superior
Triumph of St Katherine is as we thought relic guarded by Vererans (18 wounds!)
AOF = 1 per phase, before roll, can not re-roll, use on following: advance, charge, deny, saves, hit, damage, morale, not modifier,
Sacred Rites = must be Ad Min army, choose 1 or roll 2,
Hand of Emp: +1 advance/Charge,
Spirit = 5+ can fire/fight if died
Aegis Deny the Witch has +3
Divine Guide on roll of 6, extera -1 AP Passion hot of 6 with melee is extra hit
Light: re-roll morale
Cannoness - rod office is plus bolt pistol and sword, Blessed Blade +2 st, -3 AP, D3 Dam, Brazier of fire -1 LD Daemons, overwatch,
Celestine - usual
Tri of St Kath - M6, 3+, 3+ S3, T3, 18 W, 14 attacks, - dim profile, 3+, Bolt pistols, swords, 1 in army. S6 swords, S5 relic weapons, ACts fo Faith etc. -1 to hit, Auto pass Sorotias units relics of all matriarchs
Relics: Gain 1 MD each player turn, MW to enemy units in 6"- bonus against Chaos, +1 to hit with Melee wepaons withi 6, extra AOF per phase within 6, Increase or decrease 1MD with AOF by 1.
Character
Judith, 10" move, W7, Character, Fly, S5 in melee, re-roll 1's in 6, Invuln +1 to Sororitas saves.
Missonary = 4+ save against fleeing nearby unit
Battle Sisters - max 15, 2 special or 1 hv 1 special, Censor Chrub - intercede - gain 1 miracle die for that unit, Sim Imperalis - extra Act of Faith
Geminae - same
Repentia Superior (Elite), slotless if Repentia.
Repentia - 4 -9 size, 5+FNP and miracel die when unit dies.
Celestain - same, rerolls when near Cannoness
Zephrhim - Melee Serpahim, powerswords and bolt pistols, re-roll wounds against everything, Deepstrike
Dialogus - +1S staff, +1 LD within 6", 5+ FNP against Mortals her only, re-roll morale,can increase / decrease a MD by 1 used in AOF within 6"
Hospitalier - same,
Imagifier - start if game choose one of three tales:
1, re-roll Deny within 6", 2.-1Ap is 0 whilst within 6" 3. +1 strength within 6"
Crusaders -5+ FNP against MW Death Cults - same
Arco -Frag -now has squad leader, 5+ FNP
Doms - still 4 special and Vanguard,
Serpah - same
Exoricist, 48" range Conflag missiles: HV 3d6 S5, -2AP, Exorcist Hv 3D3, S8, -3 AP HAS AOF and Shield of Faith
Mortifiers 9" move, Hv Bolter Pen Engines - can have squad leader, 3+ save, -1-6 in unit, flails plus Hv Bolters or Hv flamers or buzz blades rather than flails, 6+FNP, can have Assault HV Bolters or pistol Hv Flamers
Retributors - NO pens for move and fire with Hv weapons, +4 " to hv flamer range, 1-2 cherubs - shoot again with one model
Batle Sanctum - terrain - +1 MD if units within 6, +1 LD to AD Sor and -1LD to Chaos within 6" no pics
Order Convs - can inclue Ad Min units without screwing them up
Val Heart - 6+ FNP, -1AP = 0AP stacks with Imagifers so -2 = 0.
Bloody= extra -1 with melee /Bolt pistols, +1 A when charged or charging
Ebon 5+ FNP againt MW, discard a MD - other MD is a 6
Sacred Rose: No more than 1 flee, when use MD on a 5+ get it back, Overwatch on 5+
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Why wouldn't it be legal? It's simply demand and supply, and literally how all the stock exchanges work. Most Kickstarters do some kind of limited early-bird offerings at reduced prices, too.
But it's not very consumer-friendly.
Difference is GW sets the supply and doesn't care about the demand, they are the ones making such a limited number of boxes available for pre-order. Two week pre-order, mind you...they have complete control over production, they are doing it so limited on purpose, so that people are rushed to buy them.
I was only commenting on whether or not it's legal for a 3rd party to have automatically adjusted prices. Nothing else.
I'd wait a bit until you have confirmation it's arriving just in case, these sort of situation tend to see stores cancelling orders as their websites have oversold stuff
Incensor Cherubs are interesting, they're an upgrade model that can be sacked at the start of a phase to add a miracle die (roll 2d6 and pick one) but that miracle die has to be used in that phase and only by the unit that sacked the upgrade.
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Just bought enough power swords, flails and Heavy Bolters to convert the minis. Plus some Cherubs, Meltas and Multi-Meltas since it's clear there aren't any in the boxed set.
You know the thing to now keep a careful eye on are all those companies/websites selling alternative Sister models. Pretty soon those will feel the impact of official plastic Sisters arriving and there will be sales/deals that might be worth going for
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So wait, all this box sellout has me confused. Will plastic Sisters be available later for individual unit order/purchase like other armies or is this box it forever?
The thing to remember if you're disappointed you didn't get a box is that the models are more than likely going to end up as the Sister Start Collecting box later down the line. There's no way they'd produce multiple, expensive moulds worth an entire boxset and then have a limited run.
The only thing that's 'probably' truly missed is the limited edition codex and chances are there'll be another version of it, with different art maybe, as well as a collector's edition one with metal tokens too.
Hell, that LE 'dex is probably the only reason it's £125.
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Audustum wrote: So wait, all this box sellout has me confused. Will plastic Sisters be available later for individual unit order/purchase like other armies or is this box it forever?
It was a (stupidly) limited box set - most stuff comes out in the new year
Arbitrator wrote: The thing to remember if you're disappointed you didn't get a box is that the models are more than likely going to end up as the Sister Start Collecting box later down the line. There's no way they'd produce multiple, expensive moulds worth an entire boxset and then have a limited run.
The only thing that's 'probably' truly missed is the limited edition codex and chances are there'll be another version of it, with different art maybe, as well as a collector's edition one with metal tokens too.
They did say on FB (but take that as you will) that its in this box and never again,
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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