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Warning signs immediately include:

woeful choice of trailer music
dodgy looking CGI airplane chase scene
arnie in retirement in the woods
weak looking enemy terminator
no sign of john

Wont hold my breath =/

John was never important to the movies at all really, imho. He was just a living McGuffin for everyone else to work around.

The CGI I am wary of, but I'll see it anyway for Hamilton and Davis.

Looks good to me!

CGI, it's still only a trailer. Chances are we'll see it more polished in the final release?

Where's the DA-DUM. DUM-DUM. DA-DUM?

This looks awful.

Really?

Need to rewatch because of sun on the screen, but the tone of it seemed spot on to me.

And importantly, compared to the last films, the trailer gives away very, very little.

It looks like a decent fan film. Not as good as the following, but slightly more slick.


Oh wait. It's a feature film by James Cameron? Errr....hope there's more to it. At least it looks like it might expand the lore.



Get yer terminator action here! Terminator on cyborg action, all you could want!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really?

Need to rewatch because of sun on the screen, but the tone of it seemed spot on to me.

And importantly, compared to the last films, the trailer gives away very, very little.

Agreed. I always wonder what the reaction at large to the heel turn from John would have been had they not spoiled it in the trailer.

CGI looks bad. You have a dodgy looking plane sequence which is probably from the last act. A truck chase sequence that we saw in T2. A horribly designed Terminator unit that has a human endoskeleton despite having some kind of adaptive metal skin, which is itself a separate entity. At least T3 had the decency to redesign the endoskeleton under the frame of something that wouldn't be required to emulate human bone structure, just the general form of a human. The music choice is awful. Not sure why they made Linda cut her hair as the ponytail speaks to her practical badass rather than some blowdry pseudo mullet she's rocking.

Her hair actually makes sense. The T-1000 might be your manager, and she needs to see him.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Oh wait. It's a feature film by James Cameron? Errr....hope there's more to it. At least it looks like it might expand the lore.

No. It's produced by Cameron. It's being directed by the guy who directed the first Deadpool film but who is also Executive Producer on the Sonic film.

It has 6 writers contributing to it, James being one of those. Compare that to Aliens and T1 which had 3 and T2 which had 2.

JUST GIVE US THE FUTURE WAR YOU HACKS.

Yeah, this movie strikes me as only having Cameron's name on it for the publicity, not because he's really all that involved.

Then again, didn't Cameron get the rights to the franchise or something recently? Seems odd he's get creative control and then kick the ball away.

But it's Terminator. That we're even getting another movie baffles the feth out of me with how terrible they've all been for the last 20 odd years.

That looks like crap. I'll be giving that a pass.

 LordofHats wrote:
That we're even getting another movie baffles the feth out of me with how terrible they've all been for the last 20 odd years.

Strangely enough Genysis (is that the spelling, I remember it being weird) did pretty decently at the box office, enough to allow a follow up.

Will this film finally bury the endoskeleton? Only time will tell.

Well, thats a thing I guess. Certainly wont see it in theaters.

 Gael Knight wrote:



This looks awful.

Ditto.

Oh man that trailer looked hokey. Way too much Marvel superhero type action in it. The series worked better when a Kyle Reese was attempting to make pipe bombs and ambush the Terminator as opposed to having people fight the thing Thor/Iron Man style.



The Fostech Origin shotgun was neat at least

I've not seen a terminator film I didn't like at least some of (though the last two came close) so yeah, looks fun.

Also, while I enjoyed T3, just ditching it and going from T2 seems like a solid choice.

I like the Terminator films. You know, both of them. Really good for their day, which was definitively the mid 80s/early 90s.

It would be a shame if someone tarnished the memory of them.

That airplane action cgi looks bad...like Black Panther finale fight cringeworthy bad. it is nice to see the character of Sarah Connor back on screen again.

To those giving one line or one word derision....

Don’t suppose you fancy expanding on that? It’s nice and healthy to compare actual considered comments.

And yes, even ‘not for me’ is a valid comment. But ‘this sucks’, without some kind of frame of reference is, well, pretty lame.

I don't understand how the CGI has gotten markedly worse over the life of the franchise. Every single shot of the "dark" terminator looked absolutely terrible.

I love Mackenzie Pierce but I'm not sure I can bring myself into the cinema to see them beat the last crumbs out of the franchise. I think Genesys will have to be the last one I saw in the theater, and I wish it had been Salvation.

CGI is getting worse all over because the studios always go with the lowest bidders, then write clauses into their contracts that often cause the studios to lose money through re-dos and overtime. The turnover rate is incredibly high, and skilled artists are overworked and underpaid. I think it was two years ago when a high profile special effects company went out of business the same year they won an Oscar.(?)

The old films were labors of love by a director who had a decent relationship with the SFX guys. Same thing with Jurassic Park. The newer movies, not so much.


@MadDocGrotsnik, the trailer looks like a fan film, not just in production values, but in sensibilities. The action is the same kind of "this looks cool" fluff you'd see in a fan film about how Obiwan and Vader should have really fought. The stakes, as conveyed in the trailer, are JJ Abrams levels of "we need this scene now" stage setting with nothing to affect a viewer's heart or mind. The plot is barely hinted at and nothing new so far as I can see. The connection to the previous beloved films comes from "I recognize that person and that special effect." There's no meat to chew on.

Yep, watched a couple of good videos on YouTube and essentially it boils down to the way a lot of tech does:

1) Tech is difficult.
2) A couple of worthy companies figure it out at exceptional cost and effort.
3) These companies thrive...
4) Tech becomes commonplace.
5) Tech becomes cheaper/easier to do...
6) Market becomes flooded, etc.

CGI is done by hundreds if not thousands of studios now, vs. 20-25 years back when only a handful of studios were doing anything decent with it. The shots are done in astounding numbers, and incredibly small time frames/turnarounds. Almost every studio is massively over-working their employees to secure new movies, etc. It's just a dime-a-dozen industry now. When CGI was harder/newer, a single CGI shot was a serious budget strain - even movies which pioneered a lot of CGI didn't have much actual CGI run-time. I think they said Jurassic Park had a grand total of six minutes of real CGI vs. practical effects etc.

Now, you're hard pressed to find a movie which isn't an hour or more of CGI content etc.

 LordofHats wrote:
Yeah, this movie strikes me as only having Cameron's name on it for the publicity, not because he's really all that involved.

Then again, didn't Cameron get the rights to the franchise or something recently? Seems odd he's get creative control and then kick the ball away.

But it's Terminator. That we're even getting another movie baffles the feth out of me with how terrible they've all been for the last 20 odd years.

I suppose Cameron is too busy with all the Avatar sequels that nobody asked for.

Avatar has enormous fanbase dying for a sequel. Personally, I don't really care, and seems like most of this forum is not in the demographic, but lets not kid ourselves, Avatar sequel is huge event.

Looks pretty bad to me. CGI seems to have regressed to pre-T2 levels (a film that's almost 30 years old). Arnie and Hamilton seem to have been included for very little reason other than nostalgia. Also, I hate when films advertise themselves based on some big name behind the scenes when said big name isn't actually doing what they're known for. Here we have James Cameron as...Executive Producer. I couldn't care less who the producers are but I might care if he actually directed it - y'know, the thing he's actually famous for.

I like them going with the non-descript bad Terminator that could easily blend in as that rings true with the original idea but I'm not sure the actor here really sold it in the same way Robert Patrick managed to do in T2. After so many sequels, all with they're own take on the mythology and plot built up in the first 2 films it feels like things are now just becoming too convoluted for their own good. I think that's why I enjoyed the TV show. It was pretty well-written but it was the long-form storytelling that really allowed the mythology to expand properly and a lot of the ideas that show had would be really interesting to explore in some form. So, thanks to whichever idiot executive cancelled the show. Probably the same one that gave a greenlight to Genesys.

Some more vague bs from the people involved. It looks like we are getting a young T-800 scene because the body double that was used in Genisys is on the cast.

 Ouze wrote:

I love Mackenzie Pierce

Far be it from me to question a man's choice of which adult film star they have affection for, but I think you meant Mackenzie Davis.