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 michaelcycle wrote:
new marauders when? the models are about 20 years old and got that bubble muscle aesthetic. they're the best thing going in the new std book. are they just trying to empty their back stock before releasing new mortal models?

Honestly if you want new marauders get the Warcry Warbands. They fit a very similar role in the game formally and heck several of them could easily be used as "counts as" instead of the foot infantry marauders. I'm actually surprised GW kept the old maruaders and didn't outright remove them as an option and simply have the warcry warbands - esp as they've even reboxed them for more affordable 20man units for AoS.

 michaelcycle wrote:
new marauders when? the models are about 20 years old and got that bubble muscle aesthetic. they're the best thing going in the new std book. are they just trying to empty their back stock before releasing new mortal models?

If you don't have to use GW models there are some nice alternatives out there. These Mantic Northern Alliance Clansmen were a bit less than $1.50 CAD per model.

 Overread wrote:

 michaelcycle wrote:
new marauders when? the models are about 20 years old and got that bubble muscle aesthetic. they're the best thing going in the new std book. are they just trying to empty their back stock before releasing new mortal models?

Honestly if you want new marauders get the Warcry Warbands. They fit a very similar role in the game formally and heck several of them could easily be used as "counts as" instead of the foot infantry marauders. I'm actually surprised GW kept the old maruaders and didn't outright remove them as an option and simply have the warcry warbands - esp as they've even reboxed them for more affordable 20man units for AoS.

A big issue is that those warscrolls cannot be marked. Another big issue is that a lot of them are awful. Further, marauders are way better than any of them save Iron Golems and in that case they play different roles. But what really kills it from the get go is that marauders fill battleline, cultists do not.

Its a very simple kit that is easy to produce,a ndits really isn't that old compare to a lot of other units. I don't think its getting remade anytime soon.

I think it's very likely we are going to see the first half of the Lumineth go up for pre order on the 30th, and the other half the week after that.

Those mantic models aren’t bad, better than the current gw ones. I figured gw would put out an updated marauder box years ago, something akin to the marauders from warhammer online, maybe a split box where one unit is normal marauders, one is elite gifted with mutation marauders. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/97/3b/df973b700dbb60c6052d76ded895a13c.jpg

 Sasori wrote:
I think it's very likely we are going to see the first half of the Lumineth go up for pre order on the 30th, and the other half the week after that.

I'd expect all the Lumineth to go up in one lump, personally. They were supposed to be April for the army box, with the rest in May.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I think it's very likely we are going to see the first half of the Lumineth go up for pre order on the 30th, and the other half the week after that.

I'd expect all the Lumineth to go up in one lump, personally. They were supposed to be April for the army box, with the rest in May.

I think it will depend when the 2nd wave was going to be released and how far back the closing/work from home hurt them.

 michaelcycle wrote:
Those mantic models aren’t bad, better than the current gw ones. I figured gw would put out an updated marauder box years ago, something akin to the marauders from warhammer online, maybe a split box where one unit is normal marauders, one is elite gifted with mutation marauders. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/97/3b/df973b700dbb60c6052d76ded895a13c.jpg

Makes me wonder if a marauder/forsaken kit could work.

Replacing the necron warriors gives some hope that some of the old kits will finally get replaced.

Marauders would be, I think, at the top of somebody's list at GW. They're generically inaccurate viking stereotypes, rather than a kit that leans into GW's IP. I would think that would provide some motivation now that they've caught up with both systems and are looking towards updates and new products.

Voss wrote:
Replacing the necron warriors gives some hope that some of the old kits will finally get replaced...

Eh. GW only replaces kits in 40k when they're doing large overhauls for the army every fifteen years (DE/Necrons in 5e, Craftworlds got a couple of kits in 6e, Battle Sisters in 8e...). They prefer rebooting units with new versions that are better but keeping the original in production and cluttering up the game with unnecessary bloat as a result (Custodian Wardens, Primaris, that kind of thing).


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Voss wrote:
...Marauders would be, I think, at the top of somebody's list at GW. They're generically inaccurate viking stereotypes, rather than a kit that leans into GW's IP. I would think that would provide some motivation now that they've caught up with both systems and are looking towards updates and new products.

But they are getting updated. The Bloodbound shirtless goons and the Karic Acolytes are both new Marauders, but the original Marauders are still in production and worse. Just like what they like to do with 40k models. I'd expect a Nurgle Marauder kit and a Slaanesh Marauder kit to come out before they bother to go back and do anything with the generic undivided models. the way their Chaos updates tend to go.

I'd be cool with that.

So does anyone expect the meta to be lagging one year behind because of the world shutting down? Like, because we didn’t see OBR or disciples dominate at a few events, we will have to suffer with them till the next handbook?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So does anyone expect the meta to be lagging one year behind because of the world shutting down? Like, because we didn’t see OBR or disciples dominate at a few events, we will have to suffer with them till the next handbook?

Impossible to really say; it also depends on what GW Wants to and can do.

We could see things lag for a year or so because of the big corona mess-up. That would be pretty reasonable. That said the GHB might have been more or less printed in terms of expanded rules content earlier in the year. It's the points that were a latter moment change based on playtesting. GW might simply roll the work on the GHB into a newly titled expansion document. Or they might push ahead even if its not complete just to keep things moving as normal.

I think Seraphon never had their moment in the sun due to Covid, so expect them to make a splash.

 nels1031 wrote:
I think Seraphon never had their moment in the sun due to Covid, so expect them to make a splash.

No Seraphon got in just before the corona lockdowns and all. So they certainly got their books and such out. I think with the 2 month delay chances are any follow up to that imght well be lost in a sea of other releases (including two full armies).

 Overread wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
I think Seraphon never had their moment in the sun due to Covid, so expect them to make a splash.

No Seraphon got in just before the corona lockdowns and all. So they certainly got their books and such out. I think with the 2 month delay chances are any follow up to that imght well be lost in a sea of other releases (including two full armies).

By "moment in the sun", I meant that they haven't(because of the lockdowns and tourney cancellations) yet exploded onto the tourney scene and gone up against DoT and OBR. I think they'll have a huge effect on the meta, its just that they haven't had a chance to do it yet in a big way.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
I think Seraphon never had their moment in the sun due to Covid, so expect them to make a splash.

No Seraphon got in just before the corona lockdowns and all. So they certainly got their books and such out. I think with the 2 month delay chances are any follow up to that imght well be lost in a sea of other releases (including two full armies).

By "moment in the sun", I meant that they haven't(because of the lockdowns and tourney cancellations) yet exploded onto the tourney scene and gone up against DoT and OBR. I think they'll have a huge effect on the meta, its just that they haven't had a chance to do it yet in a big way.

I haven't really followed the Serapahon update, what kind of tools do they have to beat those armies? More so DoT, since OBR are more of a gatekeeper army than anything.

Big, dumb Dinosaurs. Coalesced armies have a trait for -1 damage taken per attack, to min 1. On top of whatever subfaction trait they may take. Word on the street is that Seraphon Artillery (Bastilodons, Stegadons) is both very strong, and very very tanky, between high armor saves and the damage reduction. Flamers of Tzeentch will be doing much less damage between those two effects, and reaching the Flamers will be not a problem due to their strong ranged options.

Not to mention the Comet's Call spell, that will target D3(or D6) enemies anywhere on the board and deal d3 mortal wounds to them.

Edit: Just remembered, Razordons and Salamanders are also nasty shooting units.

OBR and Tzeentch definitely made themselves known. The cheese available to Seraphon, not so much.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
OBR and Tzeentch definitely made themselves known. The cheese available to Seraphon, not so much.

This. GW even already nerf DoT once b.c of there "splash".

Seraphon seems to be A tier for sure, some people are calling them S tier, but from what i've seen thats only b.c literally 40% of some of the "Big" TTS events were playing them. Hard to know what counters them when almost 1/2 the players are playing them over their normal armies.

I don't know anyone who uses letter-tiers anymore because of the A/S confusion. Some people have A as the highest, some have S... I just use numbers. "Tier 1" is understandable to everyone.

/randomrant


Anyways, Seraphon are tier 1 provided it is Coalesced, Thunder Lizard, and the auto-take Slaan general. That leaves a lot of room for people to build armies that aren't game-breaking. The difference from the previous battletome is that such alternate builds are actually viable.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I don't know anyone who uses letter-tiers anymore because of the A/S confusion. Some people have A as the highest, some have S... I just use numbers. "Tier 1" is understandable to everyone.

/randomrant


Anyways, Seraphon are tier 1 provided it is Coalesced, Thunder Lizard, and the auto-take Slaan general. That leaves a lot of room for people to build armies that aren't game-breaking. The difference from the previous battletome is that such alternate builds are actually viable.

Its b.c ABCD and S tier is the official tiers for many game companies, which first came from Japanese school system, which is basically just the top student or two.

Ones i know uses S are, SMB, Street Fighter, and DOTA, i know there are more, but i can not say for sure first hand.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its b.c ABCD and S tier is the official tiers for many game companies, which first came from Japanese school system, which is basically just the top student or two.

Ones i know uses S are, SMB, Street Fighter, and DOTA, i know there are more, but i can not say for sure first hand.

First time I ran across it was in a Playstation racing game, Gran Turismo. I've seen it in a lot of other racing games since.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/5lv2Q42hrIDrrqNi.pdf


OBR re-roll 1's to saves now

Friendship ended with Petrifex Elite, Mortis Praetorians and Katakros are my new best friends.

That's a nice big slap to the army, brings it in line with the rest of the subfactions. They're still propped up by their Command Ability, Trait, and Artifact I think, but for the powergamer I think they're going to switch over to Mortis Praetorian and keep their lists largely the same with Katakros. The only thing they lose really is the +1 to Rend Command ability.

Eh Ossiarch lists were pretty much "put what you want on the table" anyway. Whilst they have some clear combos in the setup they are generally all tough units - its less about what you put and more about how you use it with Ossiarchs.

That said the Petrifax nerf makes sense. +1 to saves on an army with already good saves was abusively powerful, I'm glad to see it changed. At least now its given them a level playing field between the different subfactions.

Now if only GW could get bold enough to change Slaanesh Depravity....

Now if only GW could get bold enough to change Slaanesh Depravity....

Ah yes. One of the trifecta of reasons I won't play lol. If only yes. But I'm not holding my breath!

 Overread wrote:
Now if only GW could get bold enough to change Slaanesh Depravity....

Slaanesh is dead in the water with this GHB. They will have a sub .500 win rate going forward.

why's that? what about this ghb makes them lose more than they win? does that include just the powerlisting tournament scene, or are you extending that into the casual scene as well